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smoke
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 Posted - 02/27/2011 : 20:31:29
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AFTER THE WEEKEND...IMO...
1. ASTROS (another big win over 45's, & still the best).
2. 45s (took astros to extra-innings, battle-tested, & clearly the
the favorite to win the slugfest).
3. ROADRUNNERS (just gotta put 45s ahead of them until it counts)
4. BRAVES (just cant get past the 45s)
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sirlurker
187 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 12:45:14
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| Looks like the slugfest will get even more interesting with the Astros getting in at the last minute - just hope the weather cooperates.... |
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bigfan
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 16:10:34
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I wonder why TC put the Astros in Pool A and moved the Pride to Pool B? The two teams that played in the finals last year meet in pool play, good luck Sharon Springs! I guess you can't consider this home cooking just ECB cooking
I wonder how the Renegades are feeling right about now, Roadrunners and ECB Pride |
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opie
145 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:48:56
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| Which team dropped out |
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Thunder
72 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 20:19:15
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team wilson dropped out. so that there's an understanding of what happened.......
last week, team wilson asked to get out of the tournament. because they were inside the 9 day period before the tournament, they weren't going to get a refund unless a replacement team could be found. as much as possible we wanted to find a replacement team to minimize schedule changes versus them dropping out all together which creates more problems.
tony at triple crown and i then began to work to find a replacement team. a couple of possibilities fell thru and this morning, the astros contacted triple crown about whether they could get in the event. we needed a replacement so we took them. regardless of who the replacement team would be, we would have to look at who the team was and how that affected the balance of the pools.
with the astros, we could not just drop them in team wilson's spot because that would have made that pool unbalanced. while an astros vs roadrunners game would have made for a great matchup, if we had left the astros and roadrunners in the same pool, one of them (loser of their head to head game) would have likely been in the silver bracket and then that would leave those teams complaining that they had no chance to win the silver bracket.
moving the east cobb pride seemed to make the most sense from a pool and scheduling perspective.
is it perfect system, no. but we did what we felt was the best option given that we are just a couple of days until the tournament. |
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opie
145 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 21:28:13
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| Thanks for the info..........hard to decide who to move and where to place others.... |
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baseballnovice
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 23:12:28
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Since you don't want to hear the Roadrunners or Astros complain about going to the Silver bracket, you put the Pride in that position? Do you not care if they complain? Since you assume the Roadrunners will win the bracket, will they also receive preferential treatment during the game? I don't think you could have explained that any worse in terms of showing a definite bias.
Are these tournaments set up to allow certain teams to advance. I mean, I'm no idiot, of course you want to put the stronger teams in separate brackets to make for a possible strong championship game; however, I would like to think that the selection process is at least a little more random than this awful display of an equitable placement  . Otherwise, certain teams are mere guinea pigs for the big boys (payment should be on sliding scale). If you've created the schedule, and the Astros entered the tournament late, they should have been placed in the pool in the space of the team they replaced. That sounds fair! But I guess the fix is in! The Astros and Roadrunners are rated by many as two of the top teams in Georgia, why not show the kids true competitivness and let them play (wow, what a thought, huh). The winner moves on and the loser accepts going to the Silver bracket with thoughts of not landing in that position the next time that undesirable match up ocurs in pool play. Wow, now that's a lesson... even for the big boys of this game. The rulers of this game never cease to amaze me!
(By the way, what happens if the Roadrunners just happen to lose... how will you appease them then? Oh I know, send some other lowly team who qualified for the gold to the silver and say to them, "look you have no chance in the world of winning this thing, so let the Roadrunners have your spot in the Gold bracket and we'll give your kids all lollipops for being such good sports!) If I coached the Astros, I would demand to be in that bracket and show that we'll play in any situation anytime (eventhough, I know they didn't set the bracket, so I'm not pointing a finger at them - they're a great team). Anyway, Play Ball!!! |
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cutoffman
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 07:45:03
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| I would have to agree with some of the statements regarding biases...after looking at the pools I noticed the 7 EC Teams are in 7 different brackets out of 8. Interesting...... |
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:21:49
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| baseballnovoice-I couldn't agree with you more! This same situation happened 2 years ago when the Astros and or Braves(I think it was both teams)signed up at the last minute for a tournament and I am almost positive it was the Slugfest 2 years ago. Very bad explanation for the change in pools!!! Oh well...all we can do now is move on and play ball! |
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funnyhop
74 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:22:31
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Actually, the best scenario would have been to play 7 pools of 4 teams and pick the top 8 teams from those pools.
Right now, the top 8 pool teams go to the Gold Bracket. Of course the pool play match ups come in to play and some of them look a bit suspect IMHO. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:30:27
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If you read his post more closely, you'll see that he was indicating that the silver bracket teams, not the RR's or Astros, would be the ones complaining. Now if either the RR's or Astros drop a pool game and fall to silver, so be it and neither them nor the silver bracket teams have a leg to stand on with regard to complaining, but if the TD knowingly matches two of the strongest teams in the tournament in pool play, knowing that it will push one into the silver bracket and strongly impact the other silver bracket teams ability to compete, then you have good reason to be upset.
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Originally posted by baseballnovice
Since you don't want to hear the Roadrunners or Astros complain about going to the Silver bracket, you put the Pride in that position? Do you not care if they complain? Since you assume the Roadrunners will win the bracket, will they also receive preferential treatment during the game? I don't think you could have explained that any worse in terms of showing a definite bias.
Are these tournaments set up to allow certain teams to advance. I mean, I'm no idiot, of course you want to put the stronger teams in separate brackets to make for a possible strong championship game; however, I would like to think that the selection process is at least a little more random than this awful display of an equitable placement . Otherwise, certain teams are mere guinea pigs for the big boys (payment should be on sliding scale). If you've created the schedule, and the Astros entered the tournament late, they should have been placed in the pool in the space of the team they replaced. That sounds fair! But I guess the fix is in! The Astros and Roadrunners are rated by many as two of the top teams in Georgia, why not show the kids true competitivness and let them play (wow, what a thought, huh). The winner moves on and the loser accepts going to the Silver bracket with thoughts of not landing in that position the next time that undesirable match up ocurs in pool play. Wow, now that's a lesson... even for the big boys of this game. The rulers of this game never cease to amaze me!
(By the way, what happens if the Roadrunners just happen to lose... how will you appease them then? Oh I know, send some other lowly team who qualified for the gold to the silver and say to them, "look you have no chance in the world of winning this thing, so let the Roadrunners have your spot in the Gold bracket and we'll give your kids all lollipops for being such good sports!) If I coached the Astros, I would demand to be in that bracket and show that we'll play in any situation anytime (eventhough, I know they didn't set the bracket, so I'm not pointing a finger at them - they're a great team). Anyway, Play Ball!!!
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seminole tony
147 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:47:39
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| baseballnovice...DITTO! You get in late, you take the cards that are already dealt. You don't re-shuffle because it doesn't give the "best" teams a chance to meet in the finals. Let them play each other and the best team will win. What now if another team does not like the new brackets??? Do you accommodate them and change matchups ?? If not ...why??? I understand why they did it, but it should not have been done!! Again special treatment is shown for certain teams. I'm not blaming those programs...just T.D.. CHANGE IT BACK. |
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lottapop
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 09:00:15
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| While i agree most of the tournament brackets are a joke, bottom line is, beat the team your playing and everything else will take care of itself. Hopefully, we get to play every good team up there and that will make our team better in the long run. |
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baserunner
115 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 09:40:50
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Originally posted by cutoffman
I would have to agree with some of the statements regarding biases...after looking at the pools I noticed the 7 EC Teams are in 7 different brackets out of 8. Interesting......
What's even more interesting is if you look at the brackets for the Sandy Plains tournament and the Triple Crown last weekend the EC teams are almost never matched up in pool play. The only exception was the Titans vs. Extreme this weekend and that was because there were 5 EC teams and only 4 pools. Not that it would have made an ounce of difference in the the final outcome, but it just isn't right for tournament directors to give purposely give one program a more rosy path to the finals while everyone else has to get in where they fit in. I'm just saying....(smh). |
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LeftyBat
160 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 11:07:51
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| And why does not making it to the championship of the tournament last year (Sharon Springs) not carry any weight with the directors. Seems to me Sharon Springs has a legitimate beef here to... |
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Hanging Curve
64 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 13:55:01
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Originally posted by baserunner
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Originally posted by cutoffman
I would have to agree with some of the statements regarding biases...after looking at the pools I noticed the 7 EC Teams are in 7 different brackets out of 8. Interesting......
What's even more interesting is if you look at the brackets for the Sandy Plains tournament and the Triple Crown last weekend the EC teams are almost never matched up in pool play. The only exception was the Titans vs. Extreme this weekend and that was because there were 5 EC teams and only 4 pools. Not that it would have made an ounce of difference in the the final outcome, but it just isn't right for tournament directors to give purposely give one program a more rosy path to the finals while everyone else has to get in where they fit in. I'm just saying....(smh).
I think you all are looking for conspiracies where there are none. I know Tony von D and I speak with him often. Their formula for success is based on a couple of principles:
1) Well run tournaments with Tony on site to handle issues
2) They do their best to spread the talent around in pool play
You all can take issue with this if you wish. However, in the end one thing is clear. Last week there were 12 teams in the tournament. Each team made it into the same final 12 team bracket. If you're the best, you win your way out of that bracket and win the tournament. At the end of the tournament, the Stixx, Knockhouse, 6-4-3 (who are much improved this year by the way) and all of the others had fallen by the time there were only 4 standing and those 4 were East Cobb teams. In my opinion, after having watched most of the games in person this weekend, I thought the final 4 teams (Astros, 45s, Braves, and Extreme) were the 4 best teams in that tournament or at least they played like it this weekend.
In the end, you will not make everyone happy. But I can ASSURE you that more of you would complain if they put Astros, 45s, and Pride into that one bracket in pool play. IMO, that would end up with Astros winning the gold bracket, 45s winning the silver, and Pride winning the Bronze. And all of the lower ranked teams would really be complaining that the "setup wasn't fair and was set up to benefit East Cobb teams".
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Checkswing
53 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 14:53:38
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| Very well said hangingcurve. I'm predicting at least 2 of the EC teams losing in pool play (and one of them isnt' the 45's). I would love to have there pool play schedule the last 3 weeks. I am predicting there won't be 4 EC teams in the final four in the Gold Bracket. Other than that TC must do a pretty good job cause they always have a great venue. |
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ItsjustLLBBall
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Posted - 03/01/2011 : 16:29:34
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| I agree, I would have liked to have played the astros in the pool play game where they should have fallen into the tournament replacing Team Wilson, we had the same situation last year in the Super NIT actually and we lost 3-2 to them and then probably played the worst game of the year vs the white sox to be eliminated from the tournament withouth bracket play....I would have had no problem with playing them in pool play at all...IMMMMMMMM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK |
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knucklecurve
171 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 17:30:28
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| Hanging Curve-I agree that there is no conspiracy, but it is a little "unfair" that the Astros were not put where Team Wilson was going to be. Like I said, this happened a couple of years ago in this age group and it just doesn't seem fair to pull teams that signed up on time out of their pools and place them in another pool when they were already set. I am sure you can understand why many would find this a little unfair. |
Edited by - knucklecurve on 03/01/2011 22:31:43 |
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smoke
91 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 17:45:25
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| SO WHAT IM HEARING IS THAT EACH POOL IS SET UP IN ADVANCE WITH AN OBVIOUS #1 TEAM IN MIND SO TO KEEP THOSE #1 TEAMS OUT OF THE SILVER & BRONZE BRACKET? |
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baseballnovice
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 03:58:30
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| Yes, Knucklecurve and Smoke have good points. It's just a little unfair. I'd expect it for my team. If I signed up late, I'd be willing to play anywhere they placed me (and I'm not suggesting the Astros didn't want to play there - I know they had nothing to do with their placement). If a team replaces a team after the brackets are set, put them in that spot and let the chips fall where they may. Ultimately, we all want to see a Georgia team compete nationally. Well, I followed some national tournaments and I've seen the Tomateros (and they're actualy struggling a bit this year)face two tough teams in pool play, only to beat both and end up facing one of them in the Championship game. Anyway, this has happened, it's over. But I really hope this makes tournament directors think about future placements. |
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Hanging Curve
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 06:45:25
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Originally posted by smoke
SO WHAT IM HEARING IS THAT EACH POOL IS SET UP IN ADVANCE WITH AN OBVIOUS #1 TEAM IN MIND SO TO KEEP THOSE #1 TEAMS OUT OF THE SILVER & BRONZE BRACKET?
No, you heard wrong. What you heard was that Triple Crown tries to make an evaluation of talent and spread that talent around so that you don't have every pool loaded with talent.
Let's face it. We all know there are some teams around here that are in the upper class of the talent pool. There are probably 5 or 6 at ECB (Titans, Extreme, Pride, Braves, 45s, and Astros). You also have the Roadrunners, Signature Park, Stixx, Elite Gamers, etc etc in that mix. If you match all those teams up in the same pools, the 3 resulting brackets will be loaded with those "elite" major teams. And I'm not sure the other teams will continue to come play in those TC tournaments if that happened because their chances at winning a trophy or plaque would be miniscule.
And, knucklecurve, I agree it's frustrating. But I'm sure it's similarly frustrating for Triple Crown in this situation. I called a buddy of mine to find out why Team Wilson pulled out and it was due to injuries. My buddy said they're down to 8 or 9 players right now because of broken arms and other injuries. Triple Crown was only able to accomodate TW pulling out because they were able to find a replacement team. And I think we can all agree that Team Wilson and Astros are not exactly the same caliber of team. So, to keep the tournament more fairly diversified, they flipped a few teams around.
Again, I go back to my final point. If you're the best team, you just be quiet and play and you should do well regardless.
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Billy Goat
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 06:46:14
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| I do feel bad for the Renegade team. For a team that is a South Forsyth based team, the Forsyth Slugfest sure doesn't show them much love. Although, they may be small in stature, they have huge hearts and won't back down from anyone |
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baserunner
115 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 08:25:07
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Originally posted by smoke
SO WHAT IM HEARING IS THAT EACH POOL IS SET UP IN ADVANCE WITH AN OBVIOUS #1 TEAM IN MIND SO TO KEEP THOSE #1 TEAMS OUT OF THE SILVER & BRONZE BRACKET?
That's exactly right Smoke! |
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lottapop
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 08:53:18
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| I already know for a fact one of two teams that will be in Silver bracket championship before the first pitch has been thrown! |
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