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Pujols5
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 Posted - 03/02/2011 : 10:22:29
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You're right. Sharon Springs should have been consideration for finishing as runner up last year.
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baserunner
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 10:51:01
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Originally posted by smoke
SO WHAT IM HEARING IS THAT EACH POOL IS SET UP IN ADVANCE WITH AN OBVIOUS #1 TEAM IN MIND SO TO KEEP THOSE #1 TEAMS OUT OF THE SILVER & BRONZE BRACKET?
No, you heard wrong. What you heard was that Triple Crown tries to make an evaluation of talent and spread that talent around so that you don't have every pool loaded with talent.
Let's face it. We all know there are some teams around here that are in the upper class of the talent pool. There are probably 5 or 6 at ECB (Titans, Extreme, Pride, Braves, 45s, and Astros). You also have the Roadrunners, Signature Park, Stixx, Elite Gamers, etc etc in that mix. If you match all those teams up in the same pools, the 3 resulting brackets will be loaded with those "elite" major teams. And I'm not sure the other teams will continue to come play in those TC tournaments if that happened because their chances at winning a trophy or plaque would be miniscule.
And, knucklecurve, I agree it's frustrating. But I'm sure it's similarly frustrating for Triple Crown in this situation. I called a buddy of mine to find out why Team Wilson pulled out and it was due to injuries. My buddy said they're down to 8 or 9 players right now because of broken arms and other injuries. Triple Crown was only able to accomodate TW pulling out because they were able to find a replacement team. And I think we can all agree that Team Wilson and Astros are not exactly the same caliber of team. So, to keep the tournament more fairly diversified, they flipped a few teams around.
Again, I go back to my final point. If you're the best team, you just be quiet and play and you should do well regardless.
This is the point you may not be considering. Everytime you "spread the talent around" all that does is help the Elite team. They sail through pool play, often get a first round buy in bracket play, and can rest their pitchers. The problem is #1- they don't need this help and #2 - it puts the other teams at a disadvantage because they are starting out with the odds stacked against them.
For the Triple Crown they took it one step further buy separating all the 7 ECB teams into separate pools. It seems obvious to me that this was done to give ECB the greatest chance to get as many teams as possible into the gold bracket. Yall can call me a conspiracy theorist (I don't mind) 
I'm not saying that pool play should be a completely random process but I think it's time for us to get real. You can't have one group of teams that always catch a break and everyone else who has to play with the cards they're dealt. Let's mix things up a little and let the chips fall where they may. I assure you in the end the best team will win. |
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Baseballjim
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:52:55
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If you mix the pools without taking into consideration strength of each team, the lower end teams are going to see the strong teams on Sunday and not Saturday. The strong teams might see each other on Saturday and not Sunday. Here is the problem, when a lower team meets a strong team in pool play, they dont go home after the loss. If they meet them on Sunday, they will go home after the first game. If you separate the stronger teams into different pools, this will help the lower end teams play longer into the day on Sunday. I think "mixing things up a little" is a slippery slope most lower end teams dont want to find themselves on. Let the big boys hammer it out on Sunday and give the lower end teams a chance to play longer into the day Sunday by playing each other.
What doesnt make sense here is the comment made about having all ECB teams play in the Gold bracket. Wouldn't it be better for ECB to win all three brackets? Gold - ECB, Silver - ECB, Bronze - ECB. Then the comment will be, "haha, ECB won the silver and bronze bracket, that doenst say anything." The reply would be, "we beat each other up in pool play and ended here so we took care of business on Sunday."
Who loses? Not ECB. More of their teams played longer into Sunday than everyone else. The ones that lost are; 1) teams that dont belong in the gold bracket and went home early, 2) the teams that fell into silver bracket that went home early, and 3) the lower end teams that belong in the bronze but got run ruled at 8:30am Sunday morning because they had to play a stud team that fell short in pool play.
To this end, I think they should try mixing the pools in a hat and see how many more people have an issue. Remember what this is all about- the kids. However it works out, the final decision should be made with the kids best interest at heart and not some parents egos. |
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skeeterbite
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 16:04:04
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| I completely agree, the lower end majors are still majors. Take them away and all you will have is 6 or 7 of the same teams playing every tournament. I think its a great way to let the elite majors play it out on Sunday. If they slip up in pool play(which could happen) then it will all be known what happened. But these comments about SS Springs having say so for being runner up last year and no home cooking to Renegades is ridiculous . If those teams and others cant beat those calibers in pool then why in the world would you want to play them on Sundays. If Astros would have took Wilson's place Renegades play Astros and RR which is crazy and You split those teams in bracket play which everyone knows is not right. Bottom line every one wants to dodge those teams but to be the best you have to beat the best and if you cant atleast on Sunday you are playing your caliber of teams and the big boys are too. Whats better 0-2 in pool and play for a title on Sunday or 2-0 or 1-1 in pool getting put out 1st game on Sun. Makes no sense, hats off to TC I think its a great way to keep the teams spread out even. |
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baserunner
115 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 16:50:32
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| The biggest problem I have is when TD's structure a tournament in such a way a as to produce a desired outcome (for the good of the kids). Like getting run ruled on Friday night is really better for you self esteem than getting run ruled on Sunday morning? What lesson is this teaching our boys??? Why not just let them play baseball and let the chips fall where they may. If you win you win, if you lose you lose. Adults don't always have to have their hands in everything trying to shield our kids from disappointment, nor do they have to be in the business of forecasting winners. If we don't stop this at 13U then when? Any thoughts on this?? |
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Hanging Curve
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 20:42:13
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The biggest problem I have is when TD's structure a tournament in such a way a as to produce a desired outcome (for the good of the kids). Like getting run ruled on Friday night is really better for you self esteem than getting run ruled on Sunday morning? What lesson is this teaching our boys??? Why not just let them play baseball and let the chips fall where they may. If you win you win, if you lose you lose. Adults don't always have to have their hands in everything trying to shield our kids from disappointment, nor do they have to be in the business of forecasting winners. If we don't stop this at 13U then when? Any thoughts on this??
Yeah, that's great in theory. But "let the chips fall as they may" a few times with the majors winning every one of the brackets and all of a sudden the slugfest will end up with 10 teams in it instead of 48.
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knucklecurve
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 22:55:39
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| It's done...time to move on to better topics. Nothing is going to change so why don't we just start making predictions on who will be in the end of this tournament in both divisions! It's time to stop complaining on both sides and play ball!! :) |
Edited by - knucklecurve on 03/02/2011 23:26:20 |
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Craig Henderson
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 00:10:53
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I usually stay out of these discussions but wanted to add a brief note - I'm the Coach of the SFCB Renegades and have to admit, when I first heard of the pool change I wasn't happy, and complained to Bill and Tony about the perceived shaft I thought my boys were getting. Realized later there is no perfect scenario and in this tournament, we would face the top teams at some point anyway. Skeeterbite stole my line that I've said to these great kids for 4 years - "if you want to be the best, you have to beat the best."
I told them last night at practice that we will not back down from a challenge - ever, and will step on the field both days believing we can win, because it's 13 year old baseball. As long as teams and families on both sides remember to show class and respect, as they usually do, then we'll enjoy the experience, learn from our mistakes and the boys will go back to being their same goofy selves like they always do - win lose or draw....
We're looking forward to it - and good luck! (Mike, did your boys get that box of undercooked chicken and shrimp I sent over to RR Field last night?) |
Edited by - Craig Henderson on 03/03/2011 12:03:59 |
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Mike Corbin
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 23:47:01
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Was that for all of them??? I thought it was an early birthday present for me, so I ate it all! HAHAHA!
Not to sure how much baseball will be played this weekend anyway. But good luck to everyone! |
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itsaboutbb
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Posted - 03/04/2011 : 21:33:35
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Originally posted by Hanging Curve
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Originally posted by baserunner
The biggest problem I have is when TD's structure a tournament in such a way a as to produce a desired outcome (for the good of the kids). Like getting run ruled on Friday night is really better for you self esteem than getting run ruled on Sunday morning? What lesson is this teaching our boys??? Why not just let them play baseball and let the chips fall where they may. If you win you win, if you lose you lose. Adults don't always have to have their hands in everything trying to shield our kids from disappointment, nor do they have to be in the business of forecasting winners. If we don't stop this at 13U then when? Any thoughts on this??
Yeah, that's great in theory. But "let the chips fall as they may" a few times with the majors winning every one of the brackets and all of a sudden the slugfest will end up with 10 teams in it instead of 48.
If they had three divisions like UTrip a lot of this would not be discussed here. |
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