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Rocky
290 Posts |
 Posted - 12/22/2009 : 08:53:08
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| Trying to help baseballpappa out with a new discussion that might get the people talking. Before I begin I stole this off the 12U discussion. Should ECB allow 11U teams that aren't playing major division? |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 10:26:29
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| I thought they already did ?? |
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newman
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 11:15:01
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| How many 11u teams are there going to be? Scorpions only one that is major after re-sanctioning. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 12:56:47
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Originally posted by Bandit13
I thought they already did ??
The question was should they, not do they. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 13:00:29
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I think the re-sanctioning is basically you pick where you want to play as long as you aren't sandbagging and playing down, I think all but one ECB 11U team is Major.
ECB Braves-old scorpions
ECB Astros-Major
ECB Stars-Major
ECB Titans-Major
ECB Luck-?
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 15:20:37
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I think the AA team was disbanded, and the AAA teams will appeal to USSSA to be moved back up. USSSA might approve it, they might make them play 6 games first, or they might decline the appeals. We'll all know soon enough.
If EC can't fill their facility with Major teams, then they should fill them with the best they can get because they have bills to pay too. They do great 12U on up, but are just having some difficulty with the younger age groups it seems to me.
Why? More and more options are coming on line. 6-4-3, Georgia Select, Signature Park (some teams already formed) come to mind. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 16:26:48
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That would be hard to do. You have to allow teams to build at some point and by putting that kind of a guide line on it would mean you could only bring in established teams. It's not that much different at East Cobb than other places. We still see players that we reach out to and they choose to play at a different parks,so it's not like we get all the good players.
Newman The scorpions don't play out of EC any more, they are the Colt 45's, so the answer is 0 right now but I bet that changes at some time this spring. 3 AAA Stars,Titans,and Astros, and 1 AA Luck. |
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longhorn1
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 20:31:24
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| Might want to double check your sources double 11's...inquire about the Braves. The answer is one for whatever U-trip power rankings mean, not 0 at least! |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 23:06:41
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I don't think that Papa feels that there is any place better to play than the East Cobb fields. I think that all teams regardless of classification should have the opportunity to play at these great fields and hope that East Cobb would always allow all the teams the opportunity to play.
And I also don't believe that there is one team at East Cobb that is not capable of beating anyone major or minor on any given day.
Let's not forget that the best way to leave the minors is to beat the majors and if you can't play them how are you going to beat them. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2009 : 11:23:20
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| I think ECB should have as many teams as they can regardless of rankings and divisions. |
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SMASH
253 Posts |
Posted - 12/23/2009 : 13:49:01
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| Rocky, not sure what the point of your question is, but here is my understanding. After re-clasifications all the ECB 11U teams were moved down. They did not choose to be dropped. Their movement, as with all teams, is a reflection of your overall success in USSSA events. If in fact the Scorpions(Colt 45s) are no longer playing out of ECB, that leaves 0 major teams out of ECB. As far as the park goes, ECB will manage I'm sure. And some of these ECB teams will return to major status. The biggest thing I take from these re-clasifications is the fact that the rest of the state of Ga. is catching up with the powerhouse that be ECB BASEBALL. |
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TravelFan
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Posted - 12/24/2009 : 05:36:31
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ECB having "Major" teams isn't good or bad at the 10u-12u divisions. The extraordinary success of their older age teams keeps them more than credible as an organization. It's ideal to have national success up and down the age divisions, but the "AAA" majority should be more than satisfying for the program.
Parody gives you room for growth. Look at the NFL. The more evenly matched teams there are the more likely one or two will bungy way above the rest the following season (Chicago Bears in '07, NY Giants in '08, Arizona Cardinals in '09, N.O. Saints this year). Pick up two players and take off. Or maybe even combine two teams and make a real beast. People want to be a part of something that's growing and a growing club lot of times has more fire and passion to do well. Real important to success, confidence and motivation.
ECB will be fine even with only one team considered elite at 11u. For the most part that's what it was for the division that's now 13u, since 2006, until the Shamrocks smashed the field of competition, joined and surpassed the Astros as 12u national ellite in '09. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/24/2009 : 20:39:00
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| Travelfan: If you read the post on the 10U thru 12U you might feel that these programs at East Cobb are suffering but Papa can assure you that you can't trust all that you read here. East Cobb has many great teams in these age groups and many great Coaches that will surely keep the older levels stocked for years to come. I don't play out of East Cobb but have a deep respect for the program and what they represent and representation does not always mean winning games but does mean playing the game the right way and in my opinion these younger age groups are representing East Cobb well. I am sure they have there problems but show me a organization that doesn't have issues and I will show you someone not telling the entire truth. |
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TravelFan
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Posted - 12/26/2009 : 16:26:29
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| Baseballpapa you might have misunderstood/misread my post. I said the 10u-12u at ECB is not suffering. Even extended high regard to two of their teams, now 13U. The 11u division will be fine! And the highly skilled/motivated players are on the same track for success as players of same skill set that came before them. The expectations for ECB teams is always higher than for most teams, just a reality. Very few ECB teams at lower age divisions live up to those "expectations". No fault of their own. Unfair comparisons to the older age divisions. Probably one reason the program is hesitant to ordain lower age teams with the Astros name. Lower age division teams aren't formed through the same process, so really shouldn't have same expectations. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2009 : 09:16:57
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Sorry TravelFan as I did not read or at least did not interpret your post correctly. I know that I have looked long and hard at having my grandson's become a part of the East Cobb program going as far as participating in one of the tryouts. Although they both were offered spots in the long run we felt at this younger age that the expense and time spent traveling to practice would not be productive. We are approximately 65 miles one way from the park.
One of the reasons that I am so impressed with EC is the expectations. The kids need this in order to properly prepare themselves. The game is getting tougher and tougher because the kid are working harder and harder and longer and longer. I am impressed with what these 10, 11, and 12 years kids are able to do at this age and the harder they work at these younger ages the better chance they will have to succeed at the upper levels. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2009 : 09:53:26
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Originally posted by warrior
Rocky, not sure what the point of your question is, but here is my understanding. After re-clasifications all the ECB 11U teams were moved down. They did not choose to be dropped. Their movement, as with all teams, is a reflection of your overall success in USSSA events. If in fact the Scorpions(Colt 45s) are no longer playing out of ECB, that leaves 0 major teams out of ECB. the fact that the rest of the state of Ga. is catching up with the powerhouse that be ECB BASEBALL.
Well the point of my question was just to get people talking because baseballpappa wanted some new discussions.
ECB Scorpions/colt .45's will infact be at east cobb and will be the ECB Braves. By USSSA moving teams down means nothing in the scheme of things as you will soon see. Because USSSA thinks a team is AAA or moves someone to AAA doesn't determine what type of team they are. I can guarantee you the ECB Titans, Astros and Stars are not AAA teams. If they are then every team in GA except the Bandits are AAA teams. USSSA is also not the only game in town I believe people like bmoser, pappa and others can rank teams better than the system USSSA uses. Baseball is a sport where it's tough to rank teams without actually watching them play. Alot a wierd luck, bad calls, and crazy outcomes can happen. Just becaues USSSA thinks ECB teams should move to AAA doesnt mean other teams are catching up. The teams that are catching up have always been there. ECB is not any different from most other places at these younger ages, just a little easier to recruit kids. |
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JETS 1
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 11:03:43
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| Rocky i just wanted to let you know you are correct about the Scorpions, however, they are going to be the ECB Colts, not the Braves or the Colt.45's. |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2009 : 11:11:13
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Originally posted by Rocky
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Originally posted by Bandit13
I thought they already did ??
The question was should they, not do they.
Then my answer is "yes". My guess is the kids who are given the opportunity to play at EC consider it a privilege to play there. I know my sons would see it that way. I also think the kids don't care what class their team is as long as they are having fun. |
Edited by - TAZ980002 on 12/28/2009 11:13:04 |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2009 : 19:32:38
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| I think we should have a tournament at East Cobb and instead of medals the team that wins could pick a permanent name for the Scorpions/Colt 45's/Braves/Colt's or whatever their new name is. If they win they can keep changing names but if someone else wins, they pick a name and they are forced to keep it for at least 6 months. |
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chiefknockahoma
14 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2009 : 22:12:59
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I kinda like the Braves name.aaaaah ahhhh aaaaaaaahhhh |
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stinger
120 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 08:06:14
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Originally posted by Rocky
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Originally posted by warrior
Rocky, not sure what the point of your question is, but here is my understanding. After re-clasifications all the ECB 11U teams were moved down. They did not choose to be dropped. Their movement, as with all teams, is a reflection of your overall success in USSSA events. If in fact the Scorpions(Colt 45s) are no longer playing out of ECB, that leaves 0 major teams out of ECB. the fact that the rest of the state of Ga. is catching up with the powerhouse that be ECB BASEBALL.
Well the point of my question was just to get people talking because baseballpappa wanted some new discussions.
ECB Scorpions/colt .45's will infact be at east cobb and will be the ECB Braves. By USSSA moving teams down means nothing in the scheme of things as you will soon see. Because USSSA thinks a team is AAA or moves someone to AAA doesn't determine what type of team they are. I can guarantee you the ECB Titans, Astros and Stars are not AAA teams. If they are then every team in GA except the Bandits are AAA teams. USSSA is also not the only game in town I believe people like bmoser, pappa and others can rank teams better than the system USSSA uses. Baseball is a sport where it's tough to rank teams without actually watching them play. Alot a wierd luck, bad calls, and crazy outcomes can happen. Just becaues USSSA thinks ECB teams should move to AAA doesnt mean other teams are catching up. The teams that are catching up have always been there. ECB is not any different from most other places at these younger ages, just a little easier to recruit kids.
Rocky - with all due respect, USSSA uses actual results of games to determine which teams are the Major and they limit this to about 14-15 teams per age group. Based on the results of last season, only the Colts meet this definition. This classification to start the season should be about right.
USSSA Major teams for 11u -
1. Bandits
2. Sandtown
3. Jags
4. Cougars
5. HS Express
6. Grip (now defunct)
7. Stixx (is this team playing in 2010?)
8. N. GA Cougars (1 game)
9. Chili-Lawson
10. NYO
11. Jackets - White
12. Colts
13. PT All-Stars (2 games)
14. Midway
15. Chain
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- Stars were 1-7 against Major teams
- Titans were 1-3 as they played mostly against AAA or AA teams until late in the season
- Astros were 3-5 against Major teams (and 1-3 against AAA teams) and went 0-4 in the State Championship.
That's a combined record of 5-15 against Major competition. If there are only 15 true Major teams, then there are about 5 spots up for grabs from the list above in my opinion. But the ECB teams will have to have improved a lot to back up your guarantee.
And there are also other teams that will also be working there way into this space: GA Jackets Gold, Team GA, GA Select, Elite-Red, Line Drive, S Spring-Black, Mill Creek, Collins Hill. These teams have as much of a claim to this as the ECB teams you mentioned above.
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 10:09:13
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| Thanks Jets. I did not know that. |
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SMASH
253 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 10:31:41
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Stinger,
Nice post. Numbers dont lie. Usssa classifies teams based on results not potential, not reputation and not size of ego. This I guarantee! |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 12:21:39
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| stinger is right and USSSA all in all does a pretty good job of classifying teams. But then again the disadvantage that they have is that they only take into consideration the USSSA events the teams are playing in. Stars might be 1-5 against major teams playing USSSA events but 5-1 against the same major teams in Triple Crown. Just an example of how more than just usssa games should be taken into consideration. |
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mfraley
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Posted - 12/29/2009 : 14:56:04
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Guys, it amaze me how the Stars are included in this conversation.
First of all, we are a new team and we have not been classified by anyone yet. Our players represent 8 different teams from last year. Yes, we have kids from 8 teams(longhorns, jaguars, Oregon park, Tigers, Smryna, Kennesaw, Eliminators and Bulldogs)and we only have 11 players(do the math). We are like a big mutt.
So as you can see we are one of the new kids on the block.
We do not have a clue to who we are yet.
So stinger and warrior, there just is not enough data on this team to make and educated statement in terms of classification.
But the good news is the season is almost here and we look forward to competing on the diamond.
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Edited by - mfraley on 12/29/2009 20:22:50 |
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stinger
120 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 22:11:50
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Originally posted by mfraley
Guys, it amaze me how the Stars are included in this conversation.
First of all, we are a new team and we have not been classified by anyone yet. Our players represent 8 different teams from last year. Yes, we have kids from 8 teams(longhorns, jaguars, Oregon park, Tigers, Smryna, Kennesaw, Eliminators and Bulldogs)and we only have 11 players(do the math). We are like a big mutt.
So as you can see we are one of the new kids on the block.
We do not have a clue to who we are yet.
So stinger and warrior, there just is not enough data on this team to make and educated statement in terms of classification.
But the good news is the season is almost here and we look forward to competing on the diamond.
Mareio
Mareio - do you have 4 players from the Longhorns? If so, you will be a AAA team in 2010 according to USSSA. But I think there has been some misinformation about your team on this board. Most (me included) thought the Stars were a combination of Tigers and Longhorns. Based on what you said, I would agree that the Stars are a big ?? Could be AA (theoretically), AAA, or Major. I guess we'll see. We look forward to seeing your new team in action at the USTBA Feb tourney. |
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