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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
 Posted - 11/13/2009 : 16:18:31
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Are they done shuffling around or is there more moves on the horizon, Coaches and Players |
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crackedbats
160 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2009 : 05:43:00
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2009 : 08:19:04
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| Most of us don't even know what has happened so far. What's going on? |
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JCB
88 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2009 : 08:20:20
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What are the teams known at this date? Any missing from this list?
Astros
Warriors
Phillies
Cobras
Braves
Team Rawlings
Stallions
Longhorns
Shamrocks
Titans |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2009 : 10:36:16
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Allstar,
Coaching change for the Titans. Some of the players from the Titans left and went with the former coach who is forming a team outside of EC, while some move to EC Rawlings.
Coaching change for Combat, which was changed to EC Rawlings.
At least one player left Braves and went to the Titans.
Not sure what other changes have happened. I think most are still waiting to see what players end up on the final Titans roster. That team was the most in flux seems to be the Titans, but that has been that way all fall. |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 03:07:20
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Allstar,
Coaching change for the Titans. Some of the players from the Titans left and went with the former coach who is forming a team outside of EC, while some move to EC Rawlings.
Coaching change for Combat, which was changed to EC Rawlings.
At least one player left Braves and went to the Titans.
Not sure what other changes have happened. I think most are still waiting to see what players end up on the final Titans roster. That team was the most in flux seems to be the Titans, but that has been that way all fall.
Why would everyone wait to see who went where do you mean before deciding where they would play too?
Arent there other nice parks in the Marietta wide area are all these teams playing inside the same place and how ? |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2009 : 19:09:05
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Allstar,
Coaching change for the Titans. Some of the players from the Titans left and went with the former coach who is forming a team outside of EC, while some move to EC Rawlings.
Coaching change for Combat, which was changed to EC Rawlings.
At least one player left Braves and went to the Titans.
Not sure what other changes have happened. I think most are still waiting to see what players end up on the final Titans roster. That team was the most in flux seems to be the Titans, but that has been that way all fall.
Got it. Thanks. My son's team will probably play 6-8 of the ECB teams. I should print the rosters now and see how similar they are in the Spring.
Hope all the dads got their ECB hats before the upheavals. :) |
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mammabee
95 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 12:44:40
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Mr allstar : i laughed after seeing the last sentence :) but I thought about that you have said and you know it is true and sad this stuff is happening which brings the familys and the kids into stress and un-certinty.
Cant be why anyone signed up for those teams unless for very unreal
expectations , then your just asking for trouble
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Allstar,
Coaching change for the Titans. Some of the players from the Titans left and went with the former coach who is forming a team outside of EC, while some move to EC Rawlings.
Coaching change for Combat, which was changed to EC Rawlings.
At least one player left Braves and went to the Titans.
Not sure what other changes have happened. I think most are still waiting to see what players end up on the final Titans roster. That team was the most in flux seems to be the Titans, but that has been that way all fall.
Got it. Thanks. My son's team will probably play 6-8 of the ECB teams. I should print the rosters now and see how similar they are in the Spring.
Hope all the dads got their ECB hats before the upheavals. :)
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2009 : 09:46:25
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Coachdan,
My reference to "most are still waiting to see what players end up on the final Titans roster." meant that there are other teams still looking for a player or two and are curious who ends up on the Titans roster, and who might still be looking for a team.
NO other park in Marietta can come close to housing that many teams. Also, all other parks have league priorities that make it a challenge. Sandy Plains does a great job, and even their board views the travel program as a "Necessary Evil". |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2009 : 10:35:59
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No warnings were given to the players attempting to gain a spot on the Titans. Everyone paid $350 and got good practice and instruction but some literally saw ZERO game time. They were all left guessing the entire time. It could have been handled better in a lot of ways but people are paying, money is needed and everyone knows that the higher level (projected) the team the more complicated things become.
Our team lost at least 3 to the Titans (actually made the team), 2 who didn't make it but lost their spots with us and had 1 come back once he figured out that no one was going to know anything until the last minute and he didn't want to chance losing his spot on our team. It's all for the best though, with our new players we are a substantially better team across the board.
FYI, NO, I don't have a list of the current Titan roster. I'm friends with the parents of the former players from our team that I mentioned earlier and that is where the information is coming from.
Welcome to ECB at the 14U level. Apparently, 14 is the age where guys start signing million dollar contracts (or so you'd think). |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2009 : 17:40:28
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| since they had 24 kids on the roster isnt splitting up a good thing..now 12 kids per team and they can all play...anyone know name of new teams |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2009 : 18:33:09
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While I put most of the blame for the Titan's situation on the coaching staff for stringing along 22 players without setting the right expectations, the parents needed to have questioned what being on a team of 22 players meant and how it will be dealt with.
Hopefully all of the players have found a good place for them, whether it was staying with the Titans, or moving on to a new team. |
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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2009 : 10:19:28
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| To piggy back on Alter, from what I know the Titans roster was a "fall" roster. That was out in the open. Not defending anything that happened this fall with the Titans but their roster situation wasnt a secret. Those families chose the Titans. |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2009 : 20:26:49
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| A fall schedule that included no games..nice schedule |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2009 : 00:02:59
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I would have to say that rain schedule had a lot to do with that. They played in at least 2 tournaments, right? I saw them play in at least that many.
I know we were supposed to play in 2 or 3 other tounament dates that got rained out.
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13udad1234
34 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2009 : 13:18:19
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| Um, who are the Phillies? |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2009 : 15:46:29
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13udad1234,
That is the previous year's Chargers. They have some paid coaches this year and should be better than the past.
6-4-3, I can't disagree.
Where I think people get confused is buying into all the urban legends of East Cobb. If it does not make sense, or is not right for you or your child, you do not HAVE to do it. There are other really good teams over there, and outside of EC, to play for. Some of the older prominent teams do take 20+ plus players to work out through the fall to cut down from. However, those teams don't start playing until June (after HS season is over) so getting cut from a team in Nov is not the same as a team that starts playing in Feb/Mar/Apr.
Where I think this board can be the most beneficial is in getting parents to question whether something is right or not. If it sounds odd, then it is worth questioning. What we as posters have to do is give these people a break when they ask these questions and not chastise them when they ask. Sending personal messages might be a better solution to avoid personal ridicule. |
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crackedbats
160 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2009 : 06:56:28
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Sounds like there are a couple of teams with ridiculously large rosters for a 14u team. Phillies with 17-18 and if rumors are correct the Titans took back the 4 who left with the previous coach. Does this give them 20 (16 who are listed on the USSSA "current" roster and those 4)?
How can you keep that many kids/parents happy? What does that say to the 16 kids/parents who stayed on the Titans only to have 4 come crawling back? |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2009 : 12:40:49
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Originally posted by crackedbats
Sounds like there are a couple of teams with ridiculously large rosters for a 14u team. Phillies with 17-18 and if rumors are correct the Titans took back the 4 who left with the previous coach. Does this give them 20 (16 who are listed on the USSSA "current" roster and those 4)?
How can you keep that many kids/parents happy? What does that say to the 16 kids/parents who stayed on the Titans only to have 4 come crawling back?
for a preface I do not have relatives or involvement in the 14 year old age group but I enjoy and follow the activity of your chats
so now I can say that bats makes a strong point: what kind of desperation does it suggest to the remaining (loyal) players if the departing families are coming back in : because it even could be the team coach asking them all back not the families "crawling back" .
then you have to ask "whats wrong about playing the 14 who stayed" ?
far as keeping parents happy thats not important theyre not on the field they need to stay out of it or leave most problems are caused by selfish parents.
do keep the kids as best motivated possible though , they ARE on the field.
my best to all |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2009 : 19:55:45
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i would also ask what teams are sponsored so the kids are not paying to play vs kids who are paying to play. Granted you want to be competitive but if you spending money you at least want a chance to get your rep's. On the other hand if a team is fully sponsored they can do as they please and you can leave if you dont like it.
SOme teams will attract team players and some will attract misfits who have never been happy and never will be. I am sure it will all sort out. |
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southpawmom
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 00:43:47
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Originally posted by teddy41
i would also ask what teams are sponsored so the kids are not paying to play vs kids who are paying to play. Granted you want to be competitive but if you spending money you at least want a chance to get your rep's. On the other hand if a team is fully sponsored they can do as they please and you can leave if you dont like it.
SOme teams will attract team players and some will attract misfits who have never been happy and never will be. I am sure it will all sort out.
teddy41 - please enlighten us about these "sponsored" teams. Are you referring to an ECB team where the parents don't pay? |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2009 : 11:32:48
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Dont hold me to it but a couple of the kids on the phillies team said they were sponsored thus no player fee's.
That is why they changed their name to the phillies, the sponsor is a philly fan..plus if you look back at some old threads regarding the coaches getting paid the coach puts it out there that a sponsor is taking care of that as well..nothing hidden on the team
"this is response on another page"
Posted - 08/13/2009 : 18:08:07
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The bill is being paid by the team's sponsor, not the parents.
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2009 : 13:57:27
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I would be surprised if ANY team had ALL their fees paid by a sponsor. I could see a sponsor taking care of part of it (practice facility rental, paid coaching fees, etc). To pay for all of it would be $25-$30K. If so, then the families with that team have a GREAT deal.
Any sponsorship assistance is great, and well worth taking into consideration when looking at teams (which is what I think Teddy was getting at with his original comments).
There are also player sponsorships that occur, for those that cannot afford to pay all of the fees, but these are typically kept quiet for personal reasons. Those don't need to be public knowledge.
The important thing is to know what it is going to cost you, and if you are good with that amount, then fine. If you get caught too much up with how everyone else paid, then it will make for a miserable season. |
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13UECBparent2
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Posted - 12/07/2009 : 14:58:11
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| To Teddy's point, team sponsor can sometimes = team coach...so one or more of the team coaches actually sponsors expenses of the team as well as "sponsors" some of the fees of the players. I guess it shouldn't be an issue as long as this is disclosed to the team parents at the beginning of the season (of course, without saying specifically which players are being sponsored). This way if there are any parents who have a problem with it for some reason, they can make the decision whether they want to stay or scout elsewhere. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2009 : 17:57:04
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13U,
I am a little mixed as to whether the other families should be made aware of a player or two being sponsored. I think it is a tricky topic.
It is probably different with a parent coached team vs a non-parent staff. A stationary team may have a designated revenue source, or money earmarked, to support players that need the assistance. Most teams, though, are just trying to collect enough money to cover that year's expenses by every revenue stream they have (player fees, tournament hosting, sponsors, etc).
I think however it is done, whatever the fee that is agreed upon needs to be the final amount. Where families get steamed is when they are asked, in June and July, to pay more. It's ok if the families agree to add additional events from the original budget, but not if what was expected to be paid was not. |
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jaguars18
245 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 13:34:11
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| IF my kid is paying and yours is not i want to know about it, especially if yours is playing and mine is not. |
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