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bmoser
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 Posted - 12/17/2009 : 21:45:30
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BMoser:
You are not totally correct on the 6 games. It depends upon which direction you desire to re-classify your team. If you want to move up, send e=mail to USSSA State Office, if you want to move down, you need to play the 6 games.
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Originally posted by bmoser
CoachMark:
There is an appeal process, but you must play in 6 usssa tourney games vs teams in your class first before appealing. The rule is on the Georgia USSSA web site, just click on reclassification tab.
Whitlow:
I think you are correct that if Dirt Dawg has only 4 returning players he can register as a new team and enter whatever class he so desires. I thought that number used to be 4, but I may be wrong or they may have upped it to six. This too can be found on the Georgia USSSA web site under reclassification tab.
I suggest attending one of the rules meetings and submitting questions in advance. I will be.
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Thunder
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Posted - 12/17/2009 : 22:09:31
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| The Slugfest will be a classed tournament with Major, AAA and AA classes (assuming that there are enough teams in each class which isn't expected to be a problem). Teams can play up in class if they want to....meaning a AA team could play up in the AAA class. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2009 : 23:33:42
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Jackets have already registered as Majors. They have the record to support it from 10U.
E-mail the USSSA State office to ask to be moved up. They are trying to avoid sandbaggers, so since asking to move up is the opposite of sandbagging, you'll have a good chance so long as a reasonable case can be made.
They are not looking to tee off their customers, they are just trying to create a level playing field, and prevent sandbagging. They cant know the teams like we all do because there are too many teams, so they must rely upon their power ratings. If they deviate from the outset, then it could be seen as favoritism.
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stinger
120 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 08:14:46
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bmoser has officially now gone insane, presumably from too much 11u baseball. He's now talking to himself, and in public ;)
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Originally posted by bmoser
BMoser:
You are not totally correct on the 6 games. It depends upon which direction you desire to re-classify your team. If you want to move up, send e=mail to USSSA State Office, if you want to move down, you need to play the 6 games.
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Originally posted by bmoser
CoachMark:
There is an appeal process, but you must play in 6 usssa tourney games vs teams in your class first before appealing. The rule is on the Georgia USSSA web site, just click on reclassification tab.
Whitlow:
I think you are correct that if Dirt Dawg has only 4 returning players he can register as a new team and enter whatever class he so desires. I thought that number used to be 4, but I may be wrong or they may have upped it to six. This too can be found on the Georgia USSSA web site under reclassification tab.
I suggest attending one of the rules meetings and submitting questions in advance. I will be.
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10 BB
264 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 08:21:48
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| If you are a major team and want to play in a AA/AAA tournament because of timing or location play up. It is perfect for an 11u major team to be able to play 12u AA/AAA teams without having to compete with 12u major teams. |
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gausssa
209 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 08:47:46
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thunder; That is correct, a team can always play up in class and age. Example: 11u major can play 12u AAA OR 11u AAA can play 12u AA.
bmoser: also correct in witch if you want moved up in class, just request in a email to Myself or Matt. Want to move down a class, state your case in a email to myself or Matt and we will take a look at it now. If we don't see just cause right now then go through the 6 game appeal process. |
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 09:05:10
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Originally posted by Thunder
The Slugfest will be a classed tournament with Major, AAA and AA classes (assuming that there are enough teams in each class which isn't expected to be a problem). Teams can play up in class if they want to....meaning a AA team could play up in the AAA class.
Thanks Thunder I assume your the tournament director?
Being ranked AA is not as big of a concern as long as we can still play up in any tournament at AAA. CoachMark above and others I've talked with say it maybe a problem in some tournaments that only allow you to play in your ranked class. We would probably skip the slugfest if that were the case.
USSSA the ranking system may have some issues but without it where would we be? I think the usssa website and ratings is the unique thing usssa has going for it and probably generates most of the traffic on this board.  Without it no one would know who the best teams are in each classification and we would have a lot of lopsided games. It is nice to be able to see results of tournaments and some of the other organizations don't always publish the results.
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 09:18:59
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Thanks for clarifying this. And for all the communication , it is greatly appreciated.quote:
Originally posted by gausssa
thunder; That is correct, a team can always play up in class and age. Example: 11u major can play 12u AAA OR 11u AAA can play 12u AA.
bmoser: also correct in witch if you want moved up in class, just request in a email to Myself or Matt. Want to move down a class, state your case in a email to myself or Matt and we will take a look at it now. If we don't see just cause right now then go through the 6 game appeal process.
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stinger
120 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 09:42:50
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Originally posted by gausssa
What's up guys...thought i would way in on the reclass. conversation. Someone said it will take some time to sort it out and it will. It is computer numbers and will have to have the human touch put on it. Is it perfect? No, Will it keep teams from sandbagging? No but it will be harder to do now. Yes, it is easier to get a gage on teams that play more USSSA ball (that's a no-brainer) but we still have to consider all teams that are registered.
Look, we know this report is not perfect and yes we have some teams out of place. Some will be corrected now and some will work it's self out come Feb/March.
You guys wouldn't believe the number of teams that got moved down in class and took it as an insult and wanted to be put back. Those request are always easy. We are handleing each appeal on a one on one bases and looking at every situation very close. We want all teams to be in the class they "need" to be in not the class they "want" to be in. This is where the sandbagging comes in and fella's, sandbagging is not good for the program. This system will work, just give it a chance.....
Great. I am now anxiously awaiting bmoser's dissertation on who should be re-classed and why. He's much smarter than a dumb computer. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 10:26:02
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| I am going to rename moser Baseball Hal after the computer in 2001 Space Odyssey. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 10:30:31
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stinger,
I could do it better than their software program for 11U Georgia teams, but I'd fail miserably beyond that. Besides, if I did it, there's still be some unhappy teams, and they'd be mad at me instead of being mad at USSSA's computer. I don't want any part of that.
The USSSA system works, but you have to play a couple tourneys w/in your class. If you can't/don't, there's the appeal processes.
Last year, we lost 3 of our stronger players just before the season began, so had to take some licks in AAA before appealing for AA. None of us were happy with AA, but it fitted our new roster. We liked the AAA competition, but "3-and-outs" became too costly. We had a successful AA season, and are now AAA again. Worked for us.
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Thunder
72 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 12:58:29
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Yes, I'm (Bill Moats) the tournament director.
We'd love to have everyone in this discussion participate in the Slugfest. It's a great way to help support two great organizations.
www.leaguelineup.com/slugfest
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gausssa
209 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 13:26:47
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You guys make a UGLY RAINY friday FUNNNN.
Marry Christmas GUYS..... |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 14:26:38
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| Yes , Nice way to do an ugly afternoon. Bill we are looking forward to the Tournament, it's always a great event and a welcome sight after a long winter ! And yes, Merry Christmas. |
Edited by - BBall123 on 12/18/2009 14:28:06 |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 17:11:34
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| Where else can you enjoy something that you love with all of your heart and help someone else out while doing it. God Bless these guys that do this and Merry Christmas to them all. |
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Scribe
52 Posts |
Posted - 12/25/2009 : 14:47:32
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Originally posted by gausssa
thunder; That is correct, a team can always play up in class and age. Example: 11u major can play 12u AAA OR 11u AAA can play 12u AA.
bmoser: also correct in witch if you want moved up in class, just request in a email to Myself or Matt. Want to move down a class, state your case in a email to myself or Matt and we will take a look at it now. If we don't see just cause right now then go through the 6 game appeal process.
I followed Bubba's suggestion regarding submitting an appeal to change classifications and received a well thought out response from him three days after I sent my request. The process gets an enthusiastic thumbs-up from me. |
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CoachMark
216 Posts |
Posted - 12/29/2009 : 13:53:12
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I would also like to let people know that our team was re-classified to AAA with a simple email summarizing our record to USSSA Georgia through their appeals process. Thumbs up from me as well.
We're looking forward to the Slugfest early in the season. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 07:53:48
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This is from USSSA's web site on how the power ratings are calculated. If you want to see how strong teams are in relation to your team, you look at power rating, not points. If you want to try to figure out who you might be playing in pool play, you use points.
The system uses
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Teams winning percentage
Teams beaten winning percentage
Teams lost to winning percentage
Number of games played
Number of wins and loses
The system does not use
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Game played between teams of different class
Score of game
Head to Head results
Wins or loses by forfeit
Each of these metrics used above is assigned a weighting. Some may be given more importance than others. This "weighting" USSSA will not divulge for fear of being copied. Its their secret sauce.
I'd suppose that wining percent of teams beaten and lost to are equally weighted and both are given more importance than the other criteria. I'm surprised run differential, head-to-head, and inter-class results are not used. Maybe computers that handled this level of complexity were not around then, or were too costly. The other limiting factor might have been the programmers knowledge and/or cost.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 01/04/2010 : 22:43:27
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| Papa likes rankings and they make a good read. Baseball is a game of bounces or a game of inches and that in my opinion is what makes the game of baseball so great. Papa's Papa told him one time that even a blind squirrel could find an acorn every now and then and that is what keeps baseball ticking away. You never know when that ole blind squirrel will sneak up and take a bite out of your acorn. |
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