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nwgadad
137 Posts |
 Posted - 04/08/2011 : 09:43:30
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Some tough teams and games here. Who will take the 'ship?
G1 9:00 AM Acworth Warriors Orange vs. East Cobb Nationals
G2 11:00 AM Buckhead Sand Gnats vs. Bones Baseball
G3 1:00 PM North Gwinnett Bulldogs vs. West Cobb Warriors
G4 3:00 PM East Cobb Raptors vs. Bones Baseball
G5 3:00 PM East Cobb Nationals vs. Roswell Hornets
G6 5:00 PM Buckhead Sand Gnats vs. West Cobb Warriors
G7 5:00 PM East Cobb Raptors vs. Ready Roadrunners
G8 5:00 PM North Gwinnett Bulldogs vs. Roswell Hornets
G9 7:00 PM Acworth Warriors Orange vs. Ready Roadrunners |
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UDPitcher
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 09:54:39
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| I Think i like the NG Bulldogs and Roswell Hornets and I am from Cobb County |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 10:17:49
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| I'll take NG Bulldogs to win it all! I didn't look, so I guess that is Cleveland NG? If its not I'll take Roswell Hornets to win it all. Good picks UDPitcher |
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ecbpappi
244 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 10:50:25
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Originally posted by UDPitcher
I Think i like the NG Bulldogs and Roswell Hornets and I am from Cobb County
Everyone is overlooking the Raptors, keep an eye out for that team as I've heard they will have a couple hired guns this weekend.  |
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dadof6
48 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 12:24:41
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| Roswell Hornets wins it all this weekend. Best all around team we've played this season. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 22:24:20
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ecbpappi, you could say that about a few other teams this weekend! So watch out for them!
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Originally posted by UDPitcher
I Think i like the NG Bulldogs and Roswell Hornets and I am from Cobb County
Everyone is overlooking the Raptors, keep an eye out for that team as I've heard they will have a couple hired guns this weekend.
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cnettles
36 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2011 : 11:25:52
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| how does everyone feel about teams bringing in "hired guns" for tournaments? I think it is just not right...go to the mat with what you got--and if you can't--well then don't... |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 21:42:28
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| results? is there a site for this tournament? |
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canacorn
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Posted - 04/10/2011 : 21:46:22
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| Though I'm sure there is nothing against it. I'm not a big fan of teams pulling in Major players just to go trophy hunting. One of the team in the finals pulled in 4 major players and it showed. Our boys are double A, played well in bracket play, and knocked out the Hornets. I'm proud of the way our AA team played today. |
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nwgadad
137 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 22:30:11
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| Raptors and Bones in the 'ship. Raptors win 8-6! |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 22:35:38
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| ecbpappi, I guess those hired guns did there job! Good call.... |
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JBR
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:04:22
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Originally posted by canacorn
Though I'm sure there is nothing against it. I'm not a big fan of teams pulling in Major players just to go trophy hunting. One of the team in the finals pulled in 4 major players and it showed. Our boys are double A, played well in bracket play, and knocked out the Hornets. I'm proud of the way our AA team played today.
You guys played an outstanding game and thoroughly beat us from the first pitch of the game. You don't hit like a AA team, I'll tell you that! Well done.
John Ryan
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ecbpappi
244 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:41:05
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
ecbpappi, I guess those hired guns did there job! Good call....
Gwinnett,
This was a non-sanctioned tournament during spring break, there is no wonder that teams would need players just to field a team. Now the question becomes, if you pick up players should you try and get the best available or players of similar talent and ability like the ones you are missing? Funny thing is, both teams in the ship had "hired guns" from major teams.
There is nothing against the rules against bringing in players, if a team is going to be short why not bring in the best available player you can find? In this age group, it's not like there are several dominate players that can win a game by themselves. |
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dadof6
48 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:49:31
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Cnettles
In a tournament such as this one picking up a few hired guns is acceptable. This tournament was a fundraiser not a sanctioned tournament. It is also played over spring break when alot of teams have players out of town. |
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canacorn
6 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:05:34
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Thanks John
We are working on being consistent, just like everyone I guess. Make the routine plays, don't walk opposing batters and hit the baseball. Its a good group of boys with a lot of heart and character. It's fun to watch them come together.
You guys have a lot of class. We watched you guys play during the weekend, you have a great team. I'm sure we will see you again. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 09:24:48
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I agree, it is OK to pick up players. You can pick up 3 players during USSSA roster lock during the season. No rule against it! I wish we could have played in a tournament this weekend but we were out of town. And if I had a choice of pick up they would be the best that you could pick up----NO brainer....
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Originally posted by ecbpappi
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
ecbpappi, I guess those hired guns did there job! Good call....
Gwinnett,
This was a non-sanctioned tournament during spring break, there is no wonder that teams would need players just to field a team. Now the question becomes, if you pick up players should you try and get the best available or players of similar talent and ability like the ones you are missing? Funny thing is, both teams in the ship had "hired guns" from major teams.
There is nothing against the rules against bringing in players, if a team is going to be short why not bring in the best available player you can find? In this age group, it's not like there are several dominate players that can win a game by themselves.
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cnettles
36 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:42:08
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| dadof6--you are right and Gwinnett I understand your position also--I am not so close minded to not understand both points. But when there are teams out there that bring in kids from other teams to help them win a tournament--especially on bracket sundays only which I have witnessed--which might mean that boys who tried out for the team-(i.e.--attend practices regularly--the parents pay the dues needed and all of those things) when they sit because of that I have an issue. At that point just play 9 or 10. Don't make a kid sit because of that. Just my opinion. |
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bigmcbb
46 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 12:40:40
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Originally posted by cnettles
dadof6--you are right and Gwinnett I understand your position also--I am not so close minded to not understand both points. But when there are teams out there that bring in kids from other teams to help them win a tournament--especially on bracket sundays only which I have witnessed--which might mean that boys who tried out for the team-(i.e.--attend practices regularly--the parents pay the dues needed and all of those things) when they sit because of that I have an issue. At that point just play 9 or 10. Don't make a kid sit because of that. Just my opinion.
I think most of us would agree that if the intent is for the right reasons and the coach handles it the right way, most of us will not have an issue with fill-in players. Bones did take on an extra player this weekend who is on a major roster. We had very specific needs. If we did not have him, we would have had to play one game with only 8 players. Also, we were down to one catcher. You can't ask an 11 year old to catch up to 5 games in a weekend. The player we brought on is a catcher. Trust me, our catcher was thrilled to split time with this player given the temperatures this weekend. But most importantly, this fill-in player just wanted a chance to play ball with one of his good friends. They had a lot of fun. I call that a win/win.
Coach Wil, if your boys keep playing like they have been, you will not be able to call your team AA much longer. Congrats! |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 15:00:45
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I agree with this too! There is always a flip side to picking up players. I wouldn't agree with a couple of Major players playing AA to just help win on Sunday. Two Major players on AAA or AA can make a huge difference. If the team is short players you can't be to picky or you won't be playing. If your cheating other players because you picked up some players to win--I don't agree with that. When we were picked up from other teams it has ALWAYS been because they were short and needed a player. I would say if your playing in a non-sanctioned tourney you should be calculating other teams doing this as well--JMO. If it's sanctioned everyone is playing by the same rules.
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Originally posted by cnettles
dadof6--you are right and Gwinnett I understand your position also--I am not so close minded to not understand both points. But when there are teams out there that bring in kids from other teams to help them win a tournament--especially on bracket sundays only which I have witnessed--which might mean that boys who tried out for the team-(i.e.--attend practices regularly--the parents pay the dues needed and all of those things) when they sit because of that I have an issue. At that point just play 9 or 10. Don't make a kid sit because of that. Just my opinion.
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cnettles
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 15:43:56
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| bigmcbb and bones you both make excellent points...and it does all does depend on how the HC handles it. hope to see you guys out there again-- |
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canacorn
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 16:05:56
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We saw some great baseball, and we enjoyed playing no doubt. I'm just one of the very happy baseball fathers, who enjoys the game.
Coach Will and staff do a great job! |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 16:57:28
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| It is tough, when looking for a fill-in it is hard to take a kid that isn't very good....Doesn't make much sense...But I can completely understand frustration when fill-ins take someones spot....It will always be that way, it has been for years...I can remember several of the boys playing pro-ball now being the "hired guns" 10-15 years ago.. |
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M. Bare
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Posted - 04/12/2011 : 09:17:12
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| Following this discussion and was surprised to see how it veered off course with canacorn and cnettles accusing teams of bringing in hired guns. My initial thought was if any of the teams in the finals brought in what would equate to 1/3 of a team in Major players, the scores would have been indicative of that. After bones clarification it was made clear that those two posters were targeting the Raptors so I thought I would do a little research. Looked at the Raptors site and counted 10 players in their picture all of whom look like the same kids in all the other pictures on their site so I called a parent on the team whom we know and asked what the deal was. Told me they picked up one player on Sunday from another ECB team to fill in for one who was ill. Said in the years they have been on the team they have never brought in another player but due to the fact that they ended up playing bracket play last Spring Break with only 8 players thought it best to have an additional player especially with the heat. Also said that that player sat more than anyone and hit last. I know the truth is not as dramatic as the fiction but you owe it to the other coaches, parents and players to get your facts straight before you post. Congrats to the Raptors! |
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ecbinsider
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Posted - 04/12/2011 : 10:06:56
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Originally posted by M. Bare
Following this discussion and was surprised to see how it veered off course with canacorn and cnettles accusing teams of bringing in hired guns. My initial thought was if any of the teams in the finals brought in what would equate to 1/3 of a team in Major players, the scores would have been indicative of that. After bones clarification it was made clear that those two posters were targeting the Raptors so I thought I would do a little research. Looked at the Raptors site and counted 10 players in their picture all of whom look like the same kids in all the other pictures on their site so I called a parent on the team whom we know and asked what the deal was. Told me they picked up one player on Sunday from another ECB team to fill in for one who was ill. Said in the years they have been on the team they have never brought in another player but due to the fact that they ended up playing bracket play last Spring Break with only 8 players thought it best to have an additional player especially with the heat. Also said that that player sat more than anyone and hit last. I know the truth is not as dramatic as the fiction but you owe it to the other coaches, parents and players to get your facts straight before you post. Congrats to the Raptors!
You are correct, congrats to the Raptors!! They are a well run team lead by a quality head coach, he did the right thing by sitting the pick up player and using him sparingly so that he wasn't the difference in that game. Let's use this tournament win to build towards the rest of the season, big one coming up and there are two tough pool games to deal with. |
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reallycoach
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Posted - 04/12/2011 : 10:16:51
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IMO hired guns are fine for replacing vacationing or injured players. If a team mnager is bringing in hired guns to win while sitting his rostered players, than he's not a coach, he's a talent manager who's trying to fill his trophy case or is bending to the wim of out of control parents.
The coaches job is to develop those players he recruited and win with them. Some will argure they are on the roster, yea right. They also don't practice, don't pay and only show up when they are not playing with their regular roster team. So justify it any way you like. IN the end, it shows the lack of ability to coach and develop players and that's what you will be recognized for.
Some will argue that the parents are paying for training not playing time. Well guess what, playing time reps is the training they are paying for not the defense drills and hitting drills they can buy anywehere for a much lower price.
Doesn't do a player much good to ride pine week in and week out and watch a player from another team play. An 11 year old is not going to learn any leasson from this other than, "my coach thinks I stink"
SO do what you came to the sport for in the first place. To help develop young players into young men that we can be proud of. |
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bigmcbb
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Posted - 04/12/2011 : 13:35:12
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Originally posted by M. Bare
Following this discussion and was surprised to see how it veered off course with canacorn and cnettles accusing teams of bringing in hired guns. My initial thought was if any of the teams in the finals brought in what would equate to 1/3 of a team in Major players, the scores would have been indicative of that. After bones clarification it was made clear that those two posters were targeting the Raptors so I thought I would do a little research. Looked at the Raptors site and counted 10 players in their picture all of whom look like the same kids in all the other pictures on their site so I called a parent on the team whom we know and asked what the deal was. Told me they picked up one player on Sunday from another ECB team to fill in for one who was ill. Said in the years they have been on the team they have never brought in another player but due to the fact that they ended up playing bracket play last Spring Break with only 8 players thought it best to have an additional player especially with the heat. Also said that that player sat more than anyone and hit last. I know the truth is not as dramatic as the fiction but you owe it to the other coaches, parents and players to get your facts straight before you post. Congrats to the Raptors!
You are correct, congrats to the Raptors!! They are a well run team lead by a quality head coach, he did the right thing by sitting the pick up player and using him sparingly so that he wasn't the difference in that game. Let's use this tournament win to build towards the rest of the season, big one coming up and there are two tough pool games to deal with.
M.Bare & Insider, you are both spot on. It is amazing how perceptive 11 year old boys can be. My son has never played for the Raptors but always seems to go out of his way to say hello to the Raptors' HC when we are at the same tournaments. I noticed him talking to the HC during the game. I asked him when did he and coach became such good buds? He said, "I don't know, he's a good coach and is nice. By the way dad, they only have one new player and he is on the bench.". Apparently he does his research too. Although not quite as scientific as yours M. Bare. Bottom line, the Raptors did the right thing and did it the right way. |
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