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Dirtbag28
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 Posted - 03/18/2011 : 22:10:01
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| I'm wondering what is worse for a 12 YO, a 54' mound or a 46' mound? |
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BatChipper
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 00:13:58
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| Finally got the chance to watch the Bandits play and not what I expected, let me explain. Thought the team would be filled with boys that already have facial hair but to my surprise they have some fairly average size boys but that doesnt affect them when they step in the batters box. One of hardest hits came from one of the smaller kids on the team. Dont take this the wrong way Papa but the Bandits remind me of that nagging mother-in-law who stays on your butt,until you just throw you hands up and give up. The other team hangs in the game for a couple innings you think its going to be a good game so you head to the concession stand to grad some popcorn and a coke, come back and to your dismay the Bandits are up 12 to 1. Fun to watch though!!! |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 09:48:09
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Without a doubt, a 54 ft mound!
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Originally posted by Dirtbag28
I'm wondering what is worse for a 12 YO, a 54' mound or a 46' mound?
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bharbin
19 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 10:08:13
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Can someone explain to me how the ECB Titans can go 2-1 in pool play, convincingly beat both a spirited Cubs Select Red team (10-6) and Sandtown (6-2), but can't advance into bracket play while both the Cubs and Sandtown do? The Titans did loose to Team Florida (no shame there). It appears that USSSA would only allow the Titans a chance to advance if they went 3-0 in pool play against arguably one of the more tougher draws in pool play. The other two teams that both the Cubs and Sandtown played never won a game in the tournament. 
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Whitlow
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 10:24:31
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Originally posted by BatChipper
Finally got the chance to watch the Bandits play and not what I expected, let me explain. Thought the team would be filled with boys that already have facial hair but to my surprise they have some fairly average size boys but that doesnt affect them when they step in the batters box. One of hardest hits came from one of the smaller kids on the team. Dont take this the wrong way Papa but the Bandits remind me of that nagging mother-in-law who stays on your butt,until you just throw you hands up and give up. The other team hangs in the game for a couple innings you think its going to be a good game so you head to the concession stand to grad some popcorn and a coke, come back and to your dismay the Bandits are up 12 to 1. Fun to watch though!!!
Appearances can be deceiving. When I first saw the Bandits at 9U they were a small team except for Chainsaw. They played like no other team. The offense back then was not as strong. Pitching and defense was phenomenal Since then they have really worked hard on hitting. But they have picked up some of the best players from all over. The two from the 10U Grip, The two from Team Georgia, and the one from the West Georgia Bandits. Some of them may look small but they add an important element to that team (defense) and yes they can hit even better now as well. I just don't see any other team that stacks up against them with defense, hitting, and pitching. They may lose some on an off day, but I'd say 95% plus of the time they are going to win. The HR's they hit now are great and demoralizing to their opponents, but its their defense and pitching that still seems phenomenal and almost flawless at times and yea the game is over before you know what hit you.  |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 11:53:04
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| The Bandits are extremely well coached. While they do have several boys that can throw gas they also almost never miss locations and every single boy on the team can flat out rake!! Pairing that up with defense that makes around one error a decade and they are very hard to beat!! #14 weighs about 96lbs and can hit the ball as hard and as far as anybody I have seen at this age!! The TnT boys are the best 1-2 punch I have ever seen in travel ball except for one 16U summer ball team. I think they are obviously the favorite, but Team Florida is also well coached and has great size and skill. |
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The Football Ref
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 17:21:35
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The Titans got caught in a 3 way tie.
USSSA national rules state when more then 2 teams are tied, the tie breaker is runs allowed.
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Whitlow
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Dirtbags
11 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 17:51:21
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| I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits.. |
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 18:59:55
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Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
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Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 21:05:25
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Power rankings are based on what teams you play and their power ranking. Those numbers can increse or decrease as the seaon goes on based on how the teams you have played do.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
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Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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GA Baseball 22
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 21:28:04
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| My hats of the the ECB Titans!!! Here is the flaw with Utrip. If two teams are tied, the breaker should not be runs allowed - - - The breaker should be head-to-head as that is the true measure of the better team. The Titans by far had the toughest draw in the entire tourney, and only lost to Team Florida. In my book, they should be ranked well above Sandtown in the rankings this week, and should have played in bracket play. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 21:28:55
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| Congrats to my Bandit friends! That was a very tough field of teams, and you deserve to represent Georgia at the Elite 32. I'm so proud of you all. Best of luck at Disney. Is Papa okay? there were a couple of close games and I have not seen any posts from him yet. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 21:30:06
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| Football ref, where does head to head fit into the mix. Seems like it should be before runs allowed. Raw deal for my Titan friends, they deserve better and should be #2 as GJ said. |
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barsred98
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 22:09:07
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Gamers Black also went 2-1 in pool beating the #1 seed Home Plate head to head. Boys battled hard to the last out all the while thinking that if they pulled out 2 games they would play on Sunday! Wow, what a difference 2 runs made! Hard lesson for them to learn!
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10 U baseball
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 22:13:37
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RULE 5.00 – QUALIFYING TOURNAMENTS
5.01 State Directors shall have the authority to amend these National By-laws & Rules to accommodate the needs of the Qualifying
Tournament with the approval of the Association’s Executive Vice President of Baseball.
5.02 The State Director or directors appointed by the State Director shall conduct all Qualifying Tournaments to assure that the
USSSA Baseball National By-laws & Rules are being followed at all times.
5.03 Amounts to be charged as entry fees for Qualifying Tournaments shall be at the discretion of the State Director.
5.04 The quantity of awards to be presented for Qualifying Tournaments shall be at the discretion of the State Director.
5.05 Each State Director shall adopt an acceptable system to qualifying teams for State Championship and / or World Series
participation. Sanctioned league participation may be included in such a system is so desired.
5.06 No Qualifying Tournament shall be considered as sanctioned by the Association if all applicable fees and registrations are not
paid to the Association within seventy-two (72) hours after completion of the tournament.
5.09 Each State Director with approval of the Association’s Executive Vice President of Baseball shall set refund policies.
5.10 Pool Play / Tie Breaker Criteria: (1) Head to Head, (2) Runs Allowed (Versus All Teams Played Not Just Tied Teams), (3)
Run Differential (Maximum +/- 8 Runs Per Game.), (4) USSSA Point System, (5) Coin Flip.
Rule 5.10 Comment: Once advanced to the next tie breaker criteria, do not return to a previous criteria.
USSSA Rules and bylaws 4/10
Per pool standing page GA USSSA
Pool Standings Sorted on the following:
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1) Winning Percentage - Descending
2) Number Wins - Descending
3) Number Loses - Ascending
4) Tied Teams (vs. each other) Winning Pct - Descending
5) Avg Points Allowed - Ascending
6) Avg Run Differential with a maximum of (8) - Descending
7) USSSA Points - Descending
8) Date Team Entered USSSA Database
Did director have proper approval or was this determined at his own discretion? Does this rule apply to Super NIT? Those in the know please respond? |
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The Football Ref
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 22:54:23
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mlbscout: If you look at the power ranking of the Bandtits based on the only 2 USSSA tournaments that we have played in versus several of the Florida teams that have played in 6-10 tournaments you will find the winning percentage of the teams we have beaten to be .778 and that includes soundly beating MBA Pride twice. I think any ranking should be based on your book of work and not any particular chapter. If the stronger teams choose to run to South Florida in what looks like they might be avoiding the stronger competition especially since 2 of the teams in the Super NIT in Atlanta had beaten them 4 out of 4 times recently why you want to know if the winning team should have points deducted because stronger teams were not there. Last year a Florida team won a Super NIT in Florida with only 4 teams participating and no points was taken from them that I know of.
But this is more Mr. Moser's cup of tea than it is Papa's. I will freely admit that I am no math wizard but I can read and I saw that the record of the teams that the Bandits have beaten is 85-24 for a whopping .778 percent winning percentage versus say for example the MBA Pride record of teams beaten being only 295-273 for a winning percentage of barely .500 and the record of the only team that has beaten the Bandits being 17-0. So from my minimal reading skills I thought I was reading that the Bandits have not dodged winning teams.
So the better question would be is a team penalized in the power ranking by choosing to play in other quality tournaments that are not affliliated with USSSA versus some of the Florida teams that play primarily USSSA.
Help Papa out G-Man because I don't read as much into the statistics as some but I do know how I decide who is the best team and to me that will always be the team that puts the most runs on the scoreboard the day the game was played. We beat who was there and if some others had come I feel confident that we would have beaten them too.
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Originally posted by G-Man
Power rankings are based on what teams you play and their power ranking. Those numbers can increse or decrease as the seaon goes on based on how the teams you have played do.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
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Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 23:52:06
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Power rankings are just what they sound like. Its a scoring system Utrip has set up based on how teams you play do throughout the season. ( THINK OF IT LIKE THE COLLEGE BCS RANKING SYSTEM ) If as an example you played a team right now that had a 1300 power ranking score and you beat them your teams power ranking will go up...BUT if next week they play another team with a lower PR and lose. Their PR will drop and so will any teams that has played them. It may not be much of a drop but it will drop. On the reverse side if you beat a team will a low PR and they beat a team with a high PR then their PR will go up and any team that has beat them will see an increase in their power ranking.
Without writing a book for a post its complex.
On a side note the power rankings are only really an indication of how tough a team is. The power rankings in my opinion mean more than the Utrip point system. I feel Usssa should base seeding on power rankings and not tournament points.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
mlbscout: If you look at the power ranking of the Bandtits based on the only 2 USSSA tournaments that we have played in versus several of the Florida teams that have played in 6-10 tournaments you will find the winning percentage of the teams we have beaten to be .778 and that includes soundly beating MBA Pride twice. I think any ranking should be based on your book of work and not any particular chapter. If the stronger teams choose to run to South Florida in what looks like they might be avoiding the stronger competition especially since 2 of the teams in the Super NIT in Atlanta had beaten them 4 out of 4 times recently why you want to know if the winning team should have points deducted because stronger teams were not there. Last year a Florida team won a Super NIT in Florida with only 4 teams participating and no points was taken from them that I know of.
But this is more Mr. Moser's cup of tea than it is Papa's. I will freely admit that I am no math wizard but I can read and I saw that the record of the teams that the Bandits have beaten is 85-24 for a whopping .778 percent winning percentage versus say for example the MBA Pride record of teams beaten being only 295-273 for a winning percentage of barely .500 and the record of the only team that has beaten the Bandits being 17-0. So from my minimal reading skills I thought I was reading that the Bandits have not dodged winning teams.
So the better question would be is a team penalized in the power ranking by choosing to play in other quality tournaments that are not affliliated with USSSA versus some of the Florida teams that play primarily USSSA.
Help Papa out G-Man because I don't read as much into the statistics as some but I do know how I decide who is the best team and to me that will always be the team that puts the most runs on the scoreboard the day the game was played. We beat who was there and if some others had come I feel confident that we would have beaten them too.
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Originally posted by G-Man
Power rankings are based on what teams you play and their power ranking. Those numbers can increse or decrease as the seaon goes on based on how the teams you have played do.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
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Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2011 : 07:41:24
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Here is the equation for the team that will be recorded by the USA Almanac of Youth Baseball as being the best team in the Country this year for this age group: 2011+12U+E32+W=1
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2011 : 08:09:35
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BBpapa, I would first like to congratulate you and your great team for winning the Atlanta Super NIT against some very tough teams. The Bandits appeared to have very little difficulty in going 6-0. Regarding my commnents on power points, this was a question I posed to the Dirtbags who stayed in Greensboro in a tournament replete with AAA teams. My question was whether or not winning that type of tournament leads to losing or not gaining power points in the USSSA rankings. I noted that they lead the country in power points and based on what I read in one of their recent comments, they pay a lot of attention to that statistic. I think you misundertood my question. There is no doubt that the Atlanta Super NIT was not the same type of tournament as the one in Greensboro. I would also like to congratulate the North Carolina Canes for making it to the championship. My pick of the Bandits was correct but almost everyone picked them to win anyways.
The pitching performances you all describe are almost unbelievable against this class of competition. Congratulations.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
mlbscout: If you look at the power ranking of the Bandtits based on the only 2 USSSA tournaments that we have played in versus several of the Florida teams that have played in 6-10 tournaments you will find the winning percentage of the teams we have beaten to be .778 and that includes soundly beating MBA Pride twice. I think any ranking should be based on your book of work and not any particular chapter. If the stronger teams choose to run to South Florida in what looks like they might be avoiding the stronger competition especially since 2 of the teams in the Super NIT in Atlanta had beaten them 4 out of 4 times recently why you want to know if the winning team should have points deducted because stronger teams were not there. Last year a Florida team won a Super NIT in Florida with only 4 teams participating and no points was taken from them that I know of.
But this is more Mr. Moser's cup of tea than it is Papa's. I will freely admit that I am no math wizard but I can read and I saw that the record of the teams that the Bandits have beaten is 85-24 for a whopping .778 percent winning percentage versus say for example the MBA Pride record of teams beaten being only 295-273 for a winning percentage of barely .500 and the record of the only team that has beaten the Bandits being 17-0. So from my minimal reading skills I thought I was reading that the Bandits have not dodged winning teams.
So the better question would be is a team penalized in the power ranking by choosing to play in other quality tournaments that are not affliliated with USSSA versus some of the Florida teams that play primarily USSSA.
Help Papa out G-Man because I don't read as much into the statistics as some but I do know how I decide who is the best team and to me that will always be the team that puts the most runs on the scoreboard the day the game was played. We beat who was there and if some others had come I feel confident that we would have beaten them too.
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Originally posted by G-Man
Power rankings are based on what teams you play and their power ranking. Those numbers can increse or decrease as the seaon goes on based on how the teams you have played do.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
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Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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CoachMark
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 08:13:57
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There were a lot bigger problems this weekend at Super NIT besides the Titans raw deal, but GA USSSA did apply the rules correctly.
From 2011 rule book.
Pool Play / Tie Breaker Criteria:
(1) Winning Percentage (Win - Loss Record)
(2) Head to Head (When Only Two Team Are Tied That Have Played)
(3) Runs Allowed (Versus All Teams Played)
(4) Run Differential (Maximum +/- 8 Runs Per Game Versus All Teams Played)
(5) USSSA Points (Per USSSA.com)
(6) Coin Flip
Rule 5.10 Comment: When three or more teams are tied, Head-to-Head is skipped and the subsequent criteria in order are used to resolve the tie(s). Once advanced to a subsequent criteria, do not return to a previous criteria to resolve the tie(s).
GA USSSA hands were tied on this one regarding the tie breaker. The question is how did the pools become so unbalanced? |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 08:50:10
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BBpapa; your post was so long I could not answer it at one sitting. You must be really excited after such a great showing in Atlanta. I agree with you in that some of the stronger teams which should have been in Atlanta decided to travel to other less competitive tournaments. It was for that very reason that I asked the question regarding the power points system used by USSSA. You appear to have mixed up two of my recent comments and joined them in a common response. My first comment was in answer to your statement a few days ago that the Atlanta tournament was second to none in the country. I wrote that perhaps you were carried away somewhat when you made that statement. The tournament was a very good one and with many teams, but not necessarily second to none.
My opinion on power points is that it can be very confusing and misleading. A lot of weight is placed on the winning records of the opponents that a team beats in a tournament. However those winning and losing records of the opponents are not all equal. I'm sure that our friends from the West coast would claim that their teams have tougher competition than those in North Carolina. So if a team from California beats teams with a .666 average while one from North Carolina beats teams with winning averages of .777 this would not necessarily indicate that the team from North Carolina played a tougher schedule. It would simply mean that they beat teams with better winning percentages in that state. The question is, how would those teams in North Carolina do in California? Would they have the same winning percentages? I am only using California and North Carolina as examples for two reasons. One is because the Dirtbags are leading the country in power points. The second reason is because California claims to be the state with most advanced baseball.
This issue of power points is very interesting and confusing at the same time. Let's remember that USSSA is only one organization in the country. Winning other important non-USSSA tournaments leads to points earned and taken under consideration by other ranking systems such as TBS. The final rankings, and the ones which really count, will be undisputed since everyone agrees that the winner of the NYBC ends up as the champions regardless of what the USSSA power points are at that point.
On a side note, BBpapa, I think you deserve a lot of credit for opening up your indoor facilty. It looks like the Bandits took advantage of it during the winter and certainly got a lot out of it. They proved it this weekend in Atlanta. Stronger teams like Team Florida, MBA, Dirtbags, San Diego Stars amongst others will have a very difficult time beating the Bandits this year. I can foresee A recruiting war to get some of these teams up to speed with the Bandits. You agree?
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
mlbscout: If you look at the power ranking of the Bandtits based on the only 2 USSSA tournaments that we have played in versus several of the Florida teams that have played in 6-10 tournaments you will find the winning percentage of the teams we have beaten to be .778 and that includes soundly beating MBA Pride twice. I think any ranking should be based on your book of work and not any particular chapter. If the stronger teams choose to run to South Florida in what looks like they might be avoiding the stronger competition especially since 2 of the teams in the Super NIT in Atlanta had beaten them 4 out of 4 times recently why you want to know if the winning team should have points deducted because stronger teams were not there. Last year a Florida team won a Super NIT in Florida with only 4 teams participating and no points was taken from them that I know of.
But this is more Mr. Moser's cup of tea than it is Papa's. I will freely admit that I am no math wizard but I can read and I saw that the record of the teams that the Bandits have beaten is 85-24 for a whopping .778 percent winning percentage versus say for example the MBA Pride record of teams beaten being only 295-273 for a winning percentage of barely .500 and the record of the only team that has beaten the Bandits being 17-0. So from my minimal reading skills I thought I was reading that the Bandits have not dodged winning teams.
So the better question would be is a team penalized in the power ranking by choosing to play in other quality tournaments that are not affliliated with USSSA versus some of the Florida teams that play primarily USSSA.
Help Papa out G-Man because I don't read as much into the statistics as some but I do know how I decide who is the best team and to me that will always be the team that puts the most runs on the scoreboard the day the game was played. We beat who was there and if some others had come I feel confident that we would have beaten them too.
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Originally posted by G-Man
Power rankings are based on what teams you play and their power ranking. Those numbers can increse or decrease as the seaon goes on based on how the teams you have played do.
quote:
Originally posted by mlbscout
Just a question. If a Major team wins a tournament replete with AAA and AA teams, does it lose any power points in the USSSA rankings?
quote:
Originally posted by Dirtbags
I see my 2 picks made it to the finals. We have played both teams and I felt like both teams were the better teams, Congrats to the Bandits..
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 08:58:01
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| Sorry mlbscout: I thought you was stating that the Super NIT in Atlanta was filled with AA and AAA teams and that was not the case at all. There was some stiff competition at the ballpark and the 12U Bandits had their hands full winning this one. I should have read your earlier posts prior to jumping the gun. |
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GoCubs
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 09:41:03
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Wow! Sounds like MBA missed a great weekend of baseball. I wasn't there but to have two pitchers in back to back games strike out so many players from great hitting teams is remarkable. Icing on the cake is the perfect game in the finals. What a loud and clear statement.
Congratulations to all the teams. We have recently played Bandits, Team Florida and the Canes. I can say without reservation that the teams are obviously loaded with talent and more importantly are class acts.
MBA is going to have to triple our efforts in order to have a shot at any of these teams.
In any event, welcome to Elite 32 Bandits. If Team Florida and Canes have not already won a Super NIT it will happen soon enough. |
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