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bama21
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 Posted - 03/02/2017 : 12:50:24
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| I would imagine the attendance at an awards ceremony would depend on the tournament. I doubt PG has very many issues with 2nd and 3rd place teams not sticking around, as there are always pictures of the runner-ups on their site. |
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BaseballMom6
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Posted - 03/02/2017 : 14:53:44
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1 - these are kids we are talking about, 2 - this is a game that is supposed to be fun.
Kids that are afraid to make a mistake for fear of retribution from an overbearing coach/parent are more likely to make a mistake and not enjoy the game.
I'm not one for participation trophies, but it takes work to make it to the 'ship in the first place. This is about the kids, not you.
It may not be fun to be on the losing end of a game, but sticking around for 15 minutes and acknowledging the winners as they receive their award, or graciously accepting a lesser award, is an important life lesson as well.
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Punishers
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Posted - 03/02/2017 : 21:14:54
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| This bring back memories. There was only 1 trophy when I was a youth playing and it went to the winner. Everyone shook hands in spirit of game effort. Have to keep in mind we live in an age where everyone gets an award and wants to feel special. Loosing sucks, and there is no one who says I feel good about loosing. Don't have to stay for the award, but still shake hands. |
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brball
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Posted - 03/02/2017 : 23:06:58
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Originally posted by Punishers
This bring back memories. There was only 1 trophy when I was a youth playing and it went to the winner. Everyone shook hands in spirit of game effort. Have to keep in mind we live in an age where everyone gets an award and wants to feel special. Loosing sucks, and there is no one who says I feel good about loosing. Don't have to stay for the award, but still shake hands.
Loosing? I always feel good when I get a little loose! Just saying,
1st, 2nd or 13th... these are kids we're talking about, so let them be that. If that means accepting a 2nd place trinket that they probably want anyway, then just stick around for the 10 minute pony show and show respect to the champion and congratulate your team on making it there. I mean, you've been there all day, what's another 10 minutes or so? Life lesson = look where we just got, now let's finish the deal next week!
My 2 cents and could go on, but I hate typing on a phone...
Wishing everyone good luck, health and success this season! |
Edited by - brball on 03/03/2017 08:12:43 |
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Gapper
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Posted - 03/03/2017 : 09:33:48
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I think the first and second place trophies are fine and that both teams should attend in lieu of "punishment" running.
However, I don't think there should be any trophies handed out for Silver, Bronze or any other color/metal bracket that doesn't represent the top two teams in the tournament. Nothing is more annoying than seeing the team that tweets their "tournament win" when in fact they went 0-2 in pool play but was the best 0-2 team in the bronze bracket. Funny how those parents never mention that. Any bracket other than the top bracket should strictly be for getting in additional work and games. Tournament organizers need to scrap the awards for anything other than the top bracket. |
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ofs13
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Posted - 03/03/2017 : 11:22:43
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Originally posted by Gapper
I think the first and second place trophies are fine and that both teams should attend in lieu of "punishment" running.
However, I don't think there should be any trophies handed out for Silver, Bronze or any other color/metal bracket that doesn't represent the top two teams in the tournament. Nothing is more annoying than seeing the team that tweets their "tournament win" when in fact they went 0-2 in pool play but was the best 0-2 team in the bronze bracket. Funny how those parents never mention that. Any bracket other than the top bracket should strictly be for getting in additional work and games. Tournament organizers need to scrap the awards for anything other than the top bracket.
But you're ok with a Gold bracket MAJ team claiming their undefeated run when they beat up on two AA or AAA teams in pool play when the tournament didn't offer the option for those teams to sign up for a lower division? Not saying I disagree w/ your post, but let's call it both ways. If a MAJ team can throw their #9-12 pitchers in pool play & reserve their top pitchers for Sunday, it's not the same as when they need those top pitchers in pool play too.
Now, I definitely think offering tournament births to winners of lower brackets (Silver, Bronze, etc...) is a little silly, but then again, how often are teams really playing for those births anyway. |
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dbat99
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Posted - 03/03/2017 : 11:32:14
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Originally posted by turntwo
Other than lining up and congratulating the other team with "good (great) game" in terms of shaking hands or 'half-hugs', I don't see the problem.
I didn't see the Falcons on the field for the Patriots "award" ceremonies... I didn't see Alabama on the field for Clemson's "award" ceremonies...
Now, if you're saying the team didn't even shake hands, and acknowledge a 'good game' to the winner, now THAT is poor sportsmanship. But not lining up to get recognized as 'first loser' or making sure the winner "feels better" that my team is standing there...???? Nah. No biggie. Give me my teams box of 'trinkets' and I'll let them take one if they want, and we'll head to the house (or run, or whatever).
Sorry, my team isn't here to make your team 'feel better' after battle.
I'm curious Turn Two, you are talking pretty big, care to fill us in on teams that you've coached through the years?
Only point, I'll make here...A few years ago my kids team beat 643 in the semis to go to the 'ship. 643 was a far better team, we just were better that day. We lost in the 'ship to another good team, and since it was a USSSA tourney, we got rings. It was the first ring my kid got and one he is very proud of still. He knows who they beat to get there and he remembers his role in that game. Sometimes the goal isn't to win, it's to advance further than you have in the past.
Not all teams can be the Astros and have coaches feel that they better win or else you run, which is ridiculous since they lost 10-0. |
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2017 : 11:49:40
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Got to jump in as well.
Best coach I ever coached with never said a word about the score or the win he used to tell the kids they could tear the scoreboard down for all he cared as long as they played hard respected the game and didn't make mental errors. |
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Juniors Grades
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Posted - 03/03/2017 : 13:35:01
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I think at this age and older some of these ceremonies are more for the parents than the kids. At this level it should be more about the competition, getting better and learning to play within a team. Should the team have stayed and watched the other team accept the first place trophy and medals? Maybe, but I don't think it's that big of an issue.
As for the running afterwards, if that is what the coach feels is necessary to make a point in the moment then I'm ok with that. I actually think the running had more to do with overall play for the weekend rather than just one game. Obviously the running after the game does not fix short term and long term opportunities.
With that said though the winning team won that game, the losing team did not lose it. They hit the ball very well and their starting pitcher did a fantastic job of managing the game. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2017 : 15:13:16
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Originally posted by ofs13
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Originally posted by Gapper
I think the first and second place trophies are fine and that both teams should attend in lieu of "punishment" running.
However, I don't think there should be any trophies handed out for Silver, Bronze or any other color/metal bracket that doesn't represent the top two teams in the tournament. Nothing is more annoying than seeing the team that tweets their "tournament win" when in fact they went 0-2 in pool play but was the best 0-2 team in the bronze bracket. Funny how those parents never mention that. Any bracket other than the top bracket should strictly be for getting in additional work and games. Tournament organizers need to scrap the awards for anything other than the top bracket.
But you're ok with a Gold bracket MAJ team claiming their undefeated run when they beat up on two AA or AAA teams in pool play when the tournament didn't offer the option for those teams to sign up for a lower division? Not saying I disagree w/ your post, but let's call it both ways. If a MAJ team can throw their #9-12 pitchers in pool play & reserve their top pitchers for Sunday, it's not the same as when they need those top pitchers in pool play too.
Now, I definitely think offering tournament births to winners of lower brackets (Silver, Bronze, etc...) is a little silly, but then again, how often are teams really playing for those births anyway.
This goes back to having just one class. No silver, bronze, copper or nickel brackets. Just sign up for your age group and pay hard. Loosing is a learning experience of what not to do next time. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2017 : 19:07:40
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| As far as one bracket win it or not, I agree in theory as far as being competitors, but it does give alot more kids the opportunity to get more games in and for the big $$ we pay for the tourneys it seems ok to give everyone a little more bang for the buck. Who cares who posts what? We all know who won the gold. If you want to stick with one bracket only stick with PG where the winner is the winner. Period. As far as majors teams beating up on AA teams cuz no lower division is offered, I would say when you see the lineup piling on all the majors teams, opt out of that one for later in the season where there ARE multiple divisions...many post those early. Alot of the early tourneys (i.e. Spring Frost) are a good chance to see where your boys stack up against all levels of competition. They might surprise you. On the other hand if you do get beat up in pool play then that's where those silver and bronze brackets come into play! Finally as far as the coach not showing up and running the boys, maybe perceived as a little unsportsmanlike, probably could have given the winners their "moment" but coach is coming from a different mindset there and EVERY kid on that team definitely knew what they were signing up for, no spirit breaking going on there, just the way they do it and completely expected by every player there. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 03/06/2017 : 08:19:15
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| I have watched my son play travel ball for the past nine years. During that time, his teams have won and lost a lot of championship games. NEVER has his team, or the opposing team walked away from the awards ceremony. Since baseball is a game where players fail more often then they succeed, I see this as a way to learn to loss with class. And in the end, we are all trying to teach our kids valuable life lessons. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2017 : 11:02:11
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
I have watched my son play travel ball for the past nine years. During that time, his teams have won and lost a lot of championship games. NEVER has his team, or the opposing team walked away from the awards ceremony. Since baseball is a game where players fail more often then they succeed, I see this as a way to learn to loss with class. And in the end, we are all trying to teach our kids valuable life lessons.
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2017 : 04:32:30
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by ofs13
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Originally posted by Gapper
I think the first and second place trophies are fine and that both teams should attend in lieu of "punishment" running.
However, I don't think there should be any trophies handed out for Silver, Bronze or any other color/metal bracket that doesn't represent the top two teams in the tournament. Nothing is more annoying than seeing the team that tweets their "tournament win" when in fact they went 0-2 in pool play but was the best 0-2 team in the bronze bracket. Funny how those parents never mention that. Any bracket other than the top bracket should strictly be for getting in additional work and games. Tournament organizers need to scrap the awards for anything other than the top bracket.
But you're ok with a Gold bracket MAJ team claiming their undefeated run when they beat up on two AA or AAA teams in pool play when the tournament didn't offer the option for those teams to sign up for a lower division? Not saying I disagree w/ your post, but let's call it both ways. If a MAJ team can throw their #9-12 pitchers in pool play & reserve their top pitchers for Sunday, it's not the same as when they need those top pitchers in pool play too.
Now, I definitely think offering tournament births to winners of lower brackets (Silver, Bronze, etc...) is a little silly, but then again, how often are teams really playing for those births anyway.
This goes back to having just one class. No silver, bronze, copper or nickel brackets. Just sign up for your age group and pay hard. Loosing is a learning experience of what not to do next time.
O on keyboard stuck again. **** Starbucks. |
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Bravemom
204 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2017 : 05:59:05
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
I have watched my son play travel ball for the past nine years. During that time, his teams have won and lost a lot of championship games. NEVER has his team, or the opposing team walked away from the awards ceremony. Since baseball is a game where players fail more often then they succeed, I see this as a way to learn to loss with class. And in the end, we are all trying to teach our kids valuable life lessons.
Well said! |
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