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743
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 Posted - 02/27/2017 : 11:23:00
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| What are your thoughts on teams not attending awards ceremony because they lost in the finals so coach takes them to another field to run instead? I remember same particular park when my son was 13 same thing refused to accept a 2nd place trophy or even show after we beat them in the championship. |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 02/27/2017 : 12:00:56
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I think it's poor sportsmanship.
No one wants second place, and if you want to have a smash party in the parking lot with your second place trophies, go for it! However, when handing out the trophies it isn't about YOU getting second it's about congratulating the team that got first. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 13:23:17
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| Just curious..do the awards ceremonies with both finalists go on forever or is there an age where that kind of fizzles out? |
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TaxiMom
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Posted - 02/27/2017 : 16:34:30
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Originally posted by 743
What are your thoughts on teams not attending awards ceremony because they lost in the finals so coach takes them to another field to run instead? I remember same particular park when my son was 13 same thing refused to accept a 2nd place trophy or even show after we beat them in the championship.
That was such a horrible display of sportsmanship yesterday. To make it worse, both the teams in the final play out of the same park and many of the kids on both teams have played together over the years. Coaches of the losing team should be ashamed of themselves. Nice lesson they're teaching those kids. |
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SuperStar
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 17:10:32
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| I agree it's poor sportsmanship. But the cold hard reality of it is most teams hate getting second place. All you have to do is go back and look at the pictures of the runner-up teams over the years and they look like they ate a rotten apple. LOL! |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 18:03:29
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After age of 11 my feelings are
i hate any and all awards ceremonies almost as much as opening ones.
Tournies like to dress up events so they can charge more and put on a show. I would rather just have more games not more glitz.
Offer me 2 extra games or opening and awards and i take the games every time. Too bad they do not offer option |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 02/27/2017 : 18:50:32
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Is this the brief ceremony right after the game where it is just the winner and runner up? If so, these continue through high school. My son has been to a lot of these as both winner and loser. His team would never even consider walking out on it. And I would not want my son to play for a coach who did walk away.
Now, if this is a tourney wide event held with all the teams after everyone finished; I would still expect the teams to stay, but i don't agree with even having it.
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 18:56:11
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fwiw..i usually tell coaches before game..win or lose lets each take our box and go do what we want..cut half an hour off the night and give em out and get home. Most finals are late night on school nights as it is.
I once asked a coach if he wanted to see if director would let us play 2hr instead of 145 since final and he said NO they had a long drive but then wanted to do a 20 min medal handout..no to kids playing longer but yes to a medal..what does that tell you |
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TaxiMom
149 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 20:01:02
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
Is this the brief ceremony right after the game where it is just the winner and runner up? If so, these continue through high school. My son has been to a lot of these as both winner and loser. His team would never even consider walking out on it.
Yes, this should have been the brief 5 minute handing out of the medals "ceremony" to recognize the good job of ALL players. Instead, the other team's coaches led them immediately to another field where they started running. So there was no ceremonial handing out of medals and plaque at all. It was quite anticlimactic for the winners. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 21:29:31
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| Was it the choice of the team as a whole, or the coach alone forcing the kids to leave? I know of a high school age team several years ago where the boys scraped their way to the ship in a killer tourney and were so proud to be the runners up, yet this was not good enough for their coach and they were forced to walk away from receiving their prize. This ultimately had dire consequences for the team. Many of those boys went on to play on nationally ranked teams. Probably should endure the ceremony for the sake of the winning team, THEN force your kids to forfeit the prizes and run laps. |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 09:56:53
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| Yes 5 to 10 minute after the game, not a big production, this tournament did not have an opening ceremony, I hate those too but to take your kids and spend 30 minutes running instead of spending 15 or 20 minutes accepting an award is strange if you ask me. I understand a coach is not happy but it almost is telling the other team we don't think we should have lost to you and for that reason we are going to run our kids. Some of the kids on the winning team actually were cut loose from the winning team. You have to love that! I guess if you are not going to win an OSCAR Academy Award or Heisman, why even show up and honor the others that will. |
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TRB
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 10:14:05
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| Sometimes the other team is just better that game. It all needs to be kept in perspective. I understand not being pleased with the way your team plays, but you deal with that at practice. Errors and mistakes are part of baseball, you just hope to limit them and hope they don't happen in a big moment. At the end of the day, it's baseball, it's a game of failure. The good ones know how to deal with failure and move on. I've never understood and will never understand running kids at the end of a game. My college coach did it. I reminded him several times it was baseball and not track we were playing, but evidently he didn't get the memo. |
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Dead Red
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Posted - 02/28/2017 : 12:20:31
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| Haven't had this happen personally on either side (win or lose), but it seems a little bush league. Regardless of the situation (bad loss, dislike the other team, etc.) you should be able to stand and acknowledge the winning team. There will be plenty of time to get the point across to your team afterward... |
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mikepayne
173 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 14:27:04
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| Can someone in the know email me the team that did this? It will never get past the moderator and put on the board. |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 15:23:16
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As Muhammad Ali said, "I never thought of losing, but now that it's happened, the only thing is to do it right."
This coach did it way wrong, and I hope the parents let him hear about it. |
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Kory
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Posted - 03/01/2017 : 09:02:03
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| Saw this a couple of years ago. My son's team came back to beat a pretty good ECB in a TC. When it came time for the awards, the other team packed up and walked right past every one of our players. I still get a kick out of seeing that team, and those coaches, advertise in the tryout section and specifically call out their outstanding sportsmanship. In reality they are giant babies who are teaching the kids to run and hide when they face adversity. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2017 : 09:45:52
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Other than lining up and congratulating the other team with "good (great) game" in terms of shaking hands or 'half-hugs', I don't see the problem.
I didn't see the Falcons on the field for the Patriots "award" ceremonies... I didn't see Alabama on the field for Clemson's "award" ceremonies...
Now, if you're saying the team didn't even shake hands, and acknowledge a 'good game' to the winner, now THAT is poor sportsmanship. But not lining up to get recognized as 'first loser' or making sure the winner "feels better" that my team is standing there...???? Nah. No biggie. Give me my teams box of 'trinkets' and I'll let them take one if they want, and we'll head to the house (or run, or whatever).
Sorry, my team isn't here to make your team 'feel better' after battle. |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2017 : 13:48:01
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Originally posted by turntwo
Other than lining up and congratulating the other team with "good (great) game" in terms of shaking hands or 'half-hugs', I don't see the problem.
I didn't see the Falcons on the field for the Patriots "award" ceremonies... I didn't see Alabama on the field for Clemson's "award" ceremonies...
Now, if you're saying the team didn't even shake hands, and acknowledge a 'good game' to the winner, now THAT is poor sportsmanship. But not lining up to get recognized as 'first loser' or making sure the winner "feels better" that my team is standing there...???? Nah. No biggie. Give me my teams box of 'trinkets' and I'll let them take one if they want, and we'll head to the house (or run, or whatever).
Sorry, my team isn't here to make your team 'feel better' after battle.
Who said anything about making the other team "feel better"? You quoted it twice, but I don't see it in any of the other comments. Pretty sure most people wouldn't consider that a good reason to participate.
You also referenced two championship award ceremonies that don't traditionally involve the second-place finisher, so those are irrelevant.
Not exactly at the same level, but let's say your kid wins Olympic bronze in 202X: You gonna tell him to take his trinket and head to the house? Or, what if you show up to the "award" ceremony, but his podium is empty because coach has him running till he pukes outside the stadium?
If you don't like the whole ceremony, fine. Let the tournament directors know. Get a petition signed. Don't sign up for tourneys that have one. Or sign up for tourneys that you're sure to place poorly in so you won't have to deal with it.
But if you're saying that you'd skip said ceremony just because YOU LOST, then I'm curious: What life lesson would you be teaching the kids that you think would actually benefit them as adults?
I think even the most hardcore, tough-guy coach out there who is worth his salt would find a way to teach a much more valuable and motivating lesson by making them get their butts out there and respectfully acknowledge that the team lined up on that other foul line just BEAT them. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2017 : 16:24:22
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Originally posted by oneZone
You also referenced two championship award ceremonies that don't traditionally involve the second-place finisher, so those are irrelevant.
Not exactly at the same level, but let's say your kid wins Olympic bronze in 202X: You gonna tell him to take his trinket and head to the house? Or, what if you show up to the "award" ceremony, but his podium is empty because coach has him running till he pukes outside the stadium?
I just picked the two most recent championships. But more pointed, does the loser in the World Series stay on the field during the presentation of the trophy, as a way to "respectfully acknowledge" the winner? Nope. Nor in the NBA.
You tell me it's not the same level, then you're going to turn around and compare it to the OLYMPICS??? Really? 99% of all Olympic sports are INDIVIDUAL sports. You're not even in the same universe with that comparison.
My opinion (which that's all it is), is that if my team didn't earn the championship, I could care less about being acknowledged as the first loser. Secondly, as long as I shake hands and congratulate the winner, I do not feel it's unsportsmanlike to not stand next to them.
I guess I'm teaching my kids 2 things.... 1- when you're not the winner, there is no stage time-- not even shared with the winner. Want the stage time? Earn (win) it. 2- Strive to be the best. Do not settle for less. If you fall short of your ultimate goal, do not celebrate failure.
The real world, outside of youth sports, is a cold-harsh world. There's small lessons we as parents can begin teaching-- NO not at 6, 7, 8 years old... but maybe at 12's or higher... Apply for a job, and don't get selected? Stick around and be respectful of the person who did?
No thanks. |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 03/01/2017 : 17:30:22
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Originally posted by turntwo
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Originally posted by oneZone
You also referenced two championship award ceremonies that don't traditionally involve the second-place finisher, so those are irrelevant.
Not exactly at the same level, but let's say your kid wins Olympic bronze in 202X: You gonna tell him to take his trinket and head to the house? Or, what if you show up to the "award" ceremony, but his podium is empty because coach has him running till he pukes outside the stadium?
I just picked the two most recent championships. But more pointed, does the loser in the World Series stay on the field during the presentation of the trophy, as a way to "respectfully acknowledge" the winner? Nope. Nor in the NBA.
You tell me it's not the same level, then you're going to turn around and compare it to the OLYMPICS??? Really? 99% of all Olympic sports are INDIVIDUAL sports. You're not even in the same universe with that comparison.
My opinion (which that's all it is), is that if my team didn't earn the championship, I could care less about being acknowledged as the first loser. Secondly, as long as I shake hands and congratulate the winner, I do not feel it's unsportsmanlike to not stand next to them.
I guess I'm teaching my kids 2 things.... 1- when you're not the winner, there is no stage time-- not even shared with the winner. Want the stage time? Earn (win) it. 2- Strive to be the best. Do not settle for less. If you fall short of your ultimate goal, do not celebrate failure.
The real world, outside of youth sports, is a cold-harsh world. There's small lessons we as parents can begin teaching-- NO not at 6, 7, 8 years old... but maybe at 12's or higher... Apply for a job, and don't get selected? Stick around and be respectful of the person who did?
No thanks.
The point is this: Do you feel so strongly about this that you would SKIP the traditional post-tourney ceremony between first- and second-place finishers that I'm pretty sure I've seen at EVERY travel baseball tourney that I've ever been to, just because you LOST?
And have you ever actually done that? Or have you participated as the second-place finisher?
Just curious, because not being a fan of the ceremony is one thing. But being "that guy" who skips it is a whole 'nother.
By the way, the two lessons you mention are great. But I think those only work if you're explaining why they stopped doing this ceremony at tournaments (after you sent around your petition, lol), not if you're trying to explain why you skipped out on the ceremony to go run your team on the other field. Most folks would have a hard time believing you were doing anything but being a sore loser and modeling a bad attitude for your players.
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bfriendly
376 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2017 : 02:13:27
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
I think it's poor sportsmanship.
No one wants second place, and if you want to have a smash party in the parking lot with your second place trophies, go for it! However, when handing out the trophies it isn't about YOU getting second it's about congratulating the team that got first.
THIS^^^^^^^ would be my thoughts on it as well. I try to instigate that "Smash Party" if we are on the receiving side of 1st LOSER..............I try to teach my kid that second place sucks and deserves NO PRIZE; and yes I have told my son several times he needs to throw that piece of trash in the garbage where it belongs . He has not followed that lead yet, but he gets my idea. That said, we will be true GAMERS and show respect for the winning team.
ok, lemme flip all that too..........if Both teams walked across the field and gave each other high fives and "Good game" gestures.............maybe an extra "Way to hit a baseball son" type comments from the coach to deserved players, then no need to be there for an awards ceremony.
I think the Governing bodies of the tourneys should stop giving out Runner up trophies at all..........it would also save money on junk hardware
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2017 : 07:35:44
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| The coach is an idiot for running his kids for losing. It screams "execute in the game or else you will run." That's exactly what you want, kids playing tight because they fear making a mistake and being punished. #Moron |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2017 : 08:25:18
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
The coach is an idiot for running his kids for losing. It screams "execute in the game or else you will run." That's exactly what you want, kids playing tight because they fear making a mistake and being punished. #Moron
Agree! It's not a good thing to see a player boot a ball and rather than go after it he looks over to the dugout with a deer in the headlights look because he's afraid of what the coach will do to him now.
There is a line the coach has to walk that shows he has faith in his players AND he's willing to replace a player if he has a bad day. I'm very glad I do not have to walk that line but I have seen it crossed with very bad consequences for the team and the player. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2017 : 09:54:56
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Originally posted by oneZone
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Originally posted by turntwo
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Originally posted by oneZone
You also referenced two championship award ceremonies that don't traditionally involve the second-place finisher, so those are irrelevant.
Not exactly at the same level, but let's say your kid wins Olympic bronze in 202X: You gonna tell him to take his trinket and head to the house? Or, what if you show up to the "award" ceremony, but his podium is empty because coach has him running till he pukes outside the stadium?
I just picked the two most recent championships. But more pointed, does the loser in the World Series stay on the field during the presentation of the trophy, as a way to "respectfully acknowledge" the winner? Nope. Nor in the NBA.
You tell me it's not the same level, then you're going to turn around and compare it to the OLYMPICS??? Really? 99% of all Olympic sports are INDIVIDUAL sports. You're not even in the same universe with that comparison.
My opinion (which that's all it is), is that if my team didn't earn the championship, I could care less about being acknowledged as the first loser. Secondly, as long as I shake hands and congratulate the winner, I do not feel it's unsportsmanlike to not stand next to them.
I guess I'm teaching my kids 2 things.... 1- when you're not the winner, there is no stage time-- not even shared with the winner. Want the stage time? Earn (win) it. 2- Strive to be the best. Do not settle for less. If you fall short of your ultimate goal, do not celebrate failure.
The real world, outside of youth sports, is a cold-harsh world. There's small lessons we as parents can begin teaching-- NO not at 6, 7, 8 years old... but maybe at 12's or higher... Apply for a job, and don't get selected? Stick around and be respectful of the person who did?
No thanks.
The point is this: Do you feel so strongly about this that you would SKIP the traditional post-tourney ceremony between first- and second-place finishers that I'm pretty sure I've seen at EVERY travel baseball tourney that I've ever been to, just because you LOST?
And have you ever actually done that? Or have you participated as the second-place finisher?
Just curious, because not being a fan of the ceremony is one thing. But being "that guy" who skips it is a whole 'nother.
By the way, the two lessons you mention are great. But I think those only work if you're explaining why they stopped doing this ceremony at tournaments (after you sent around your petition, lol), not if you're trying to explain why you skipped out on the ceremony to go run your team on the other field. Most folks would have a hard time believing you were doing anything but being a sore loser and modeling a bad attitude for your players.
While I'm not 'tyrannical' and make my team run directly after losing the 'ship (that's over board)-- the boys may have some more 'intense' practices the following week, sure.
I've let my teams know, we 'in it to win it'. If we're not first, they are NOT required to stay for the 'ceremony'. They WILL be expected to shake hands, and congratulate the winner, but beyond that, I could care less. Most 'ships are later in the day, after a long day (weekend)... No need in prolonging it.
I've never once had a parent or tourney director complain about us not attending the 'ceremony'. I simply ask, 'leave the box of awards in the dugout' and they do. At that point, the boys can take one if they want, or not. I do not judge, as I don't care-- if they want to 'brag' about it, fine, they earn being in the top 2, but I just don't want them to become complacent with losing or being runner-up. |
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mikepayne
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Posted - 03/02/2017 : 10:51:19
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You sure do have to beat a lot of good teams these days to even make the championship. Calling kids that fall short in what is at least their 5th game of the weekend "first loser" seems like taking our eye off of the ball. If we all just hope for good baseball I promise you, it will be more enjoyable. I do agree with getting rid of second place trophies. Congratulate the winners, respect the game and try to be a good teammate. The rest will take care of itself.
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743
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Posted - 03/02/2017 : 11:13:20
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I guess when you are getting paid big money to play professionally, then you can do whatever you want but kids, come on. If you told them they could stay for the ceremony I bet 90% or more would stay but when you tell them the awards are in a box in the dugout get one if you want it I am sure you persuade them to do what you want them to do, not what they want to do. Maybe a team should be rewarded for playing hard all weekend and finishing in the top 2.
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