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CaCO3Girl
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 Posted - 02/08/2017 : 07:41:22
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The thing about hitting is that the player has to be able to adapt. The swing that works at 9u likely won't work at 12u. The swing that works at 12u, likely won't work at 16u.
Some kids make their swings an ornate process. There is a lifting of the leg, a massive shift backwards, their elbows are doing weird things, maybe they are starting with their bat up high, or bat on shoulder....etc. That will all work just fine, and maybe even well, with 60mph pitching. However, there isn't time to do all that when the ball is barrelling at you at 85+mph, and that can come as early as 14u.
I've seen more than one kid swing late because by the time he recognized the pitch and did all his stepping, arm tweaking stuff, the ball had already gone by. |
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Hurricane
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Posted - 02/08/2017 : 11:30:47
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We had a similar situation. Leading up to my sons first year of school ball he hit for a high avg, high obp and had a handful of homeruns during his 11u season playing mostly TC and a few PG tournaments. My son has hit with the same hitting coach for over 4 years once a week like clockwork. He makes his middle school team and the coach proceeds to try to change everything he's worked hard to try to perfect. My son came home after one of the first practices and told me the same thing, that he wanted to change everything in his swing.
I try to teach my son respect but know you're right when you're right. My advice to him was to try to handle it himself first by speaking with the coach after practice and letting him know he hits with a hitting coach and the swing that he has developed is what is most comfortable to him. It tells the coach I understand what you're saying, i respect what you're saying, but i have the right to disagree and be comfortable at the plate. After doing so, he let him go and 3 games into the season he was our starting catcher ahead of 2 eight graders and was invited over the winter to workout with the rising 8th & 9th graders. (Not sure what I would have done had that not worked. I don't really care to be the parent that has anything to say to a coach other than showing my appreciation for their time.)
It never was an issue after that and he went on to hit for a higher avg, higher obp, and doubled his homerun totals in 12u this past summer.
The difference here is your son is not dealing with the Varsity Coach I assume. Middle school coach could be anyone teacher, dad, volunteer, but not sure it would fly with a Varsity coach. Also until they start using a BBCOR bat hitting is very different. I can't imagine any Varsity baseball coach "I understand what you're saying, i respect what you're saying, but i have the right to disagree and be comfortable at the plate" Coaches in some major schools in GA would say I have the right to sit you on the bench or run you off. I am glad this worked out for your son, but it is far from the norm in HS. |
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TRB
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Posted - 02/08/2017 : 16:44:34
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
The thing about hitting is that the player has to be able to adapt. The swing that works at 9u likely won't work at 12u. The swing that works at 12u, likely won't work at 16u.
Some kids make their swings an ornate process. There is a lifting of the leg, a massive shift backwards, their elbows are doing weird things, maybe they are starting with their bat up high, or bat on shoulder....etc. That will all work just fine, and maybe even well, with 60mph pitching. However, there isn't time to do all that when the ball is barrelling at you at 85+mph, and that can come as early as 14u.
I've seen more than one kid swing late because by the time he recognized the pitch and did all his stepping, arm tweaking stuff, the ball had already gone by.
Hitting mechanics are hitting mechanics regardless of how old you are.
Sure your body goes through changes, but at the end of the day the basics of a swing remain the same. People use different methods to get to a certain point, but in the end if the swing is right, the mechanics will be similar at age 9 as they are at 17. Obviously you should be more polished the older you get but the basics of it should be similar if you're swinging it correctly.
If a person has holes in their swing then eventually it will catch up with them. Hitting a fastball is timing. Timing can be affected by the mechanics of a persons swing. Regardless of how bad the swing is, you can still catch up to a fastball if the timing is adjusted by the hitter. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2017 : 22:15:56
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| I got an idea. Hey, high school coach - what was your batting average, before you start tinkering with a kids swing that's producing? Oh, wait. You never played, didn't make it past high school ball, or played at some D3 school no one knew existed. Just wondering, if the coach knew what he was really talking about then why is he coaching high school and didn't apply it during his own playing time to make if further? Hmmm. Just questions to ask. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2017 : 08:22:09
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| Trust your hitting coach, it's what they are paid to specialize in. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2017 : 08:22:32
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Originally posted by TRB
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
The thing about hitting is that the player has to be able to adapt. The swing that works at 9u likely won't work at 12u. The swing that works at 12u, likely won't work at 16u.
Some kids make their swings an ornate process. There is a lifting of the leg, a massive shift backwards, their elbows are doing weird things, maybe they are starting with their bat up high, or bat on shoulder....etc. That will all work just fine, and maybe even well, with 60mph pitching. However, there isn't time to do all that when the ball is barrelling at you at 85+mph, and that can come as early as 14u.
I've seen more than one kid swing late because by the time he recognized the pitch and did all his stepping, arm tweaking stuff, the ball had already gone by.
Hitting mechanics are hitting mechanics regardless of how old you are.
Sure your body goes through changes, but at the end of the day the basics of a swing remain the same. People use different methods to get to a certain point, but in the end if the swing is right, the mechanics will be similar at age 9 as they are at 17. Obviously you should be more polished the older you get but the basics of it should be similar if you're swinging it correctly.
If a person has holes in their swing then eventually it will catch up with them. Hitting a fastball is timing. Timing can be affected by the mechanics of a persons swing. Regardless of how bad the swing is, you can still catch up to a fastball if the timing is adjusted by the hitter.
You must be watching different kids than me. In your scenario if a 9u mechanics are similar to 17u, then a 17u mechanics should be similar to a 9u kid. I just saw an 8u game and none of those kids were swinging/moving like the Varsity high school kids. Their hips, their feet, their elbows, even their heads are doing very different things. The only similarity I saw was that there was a long metal object making contact with a circular white ball. |
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3sondad
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Posted - 02/09/2017 : 10:05:04
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Originally posted by Punishers
I got an idea. Hey, high school coach - what was your batting average, before you start tinkering with a kids swing that's producing? Oh, wait. You never played, didn't make it past high school ball, or played at some D3 school no one knew existed. Just wondering, if the coach knew what he was really talking about then why is he coaching high school and didn't apply it during his own playing time to make if further? Hmmm. Just questions to ask.
What the heck are you talking about? Are you serious? Some of the worst coaches in history have been great former players and some of the best coaches never made it anywhere near the big leagues. I knew of three former players who were BIG names in the MLB (1 in HOF) and gave lessons in the area. My sons worked with two of them. All I will say is the time we spent with them saved my arm a little bit.
The best baseball instructor (hitting and fielding) I knew did it part-time, because he loved the game. He was lucky enough to make it to the big leagues a couple of season and probably hit around 200 in very limited action. His dad was a HS coach and probably why he loves teaching the game so much. He taught proper mechanics and understood the importance of teaching not only the player, but also the parent. He only worked with your kid if he could see your kid really wanted "it". He taught the kids in a way they carried that knowledge with them, so they (along with parent at younger ages) could make corrections themselves.
I know this will be popular , but I feel that if you are going to the same batting instructor every week for more than a month, either A) you have more money than you know what to do with or B) your kid just does not get it or C) there is no one else around to throw to him.
Oh, and I totally understand reason C) on hitting lessons. At 55 with an abused arm, I could not throw at relative speed to a HS hitter much past 30 feet. I have payed a couple of college pitchers to throw live pitches to my boys and a few of their friends on the field. We would be there three or four hours hitting and fielding. Best money spent and was a heck of lot less than $100 an hour to a hitting instructor.
To the original discussion. As far as HS Coaches vs Hitting Instructors go... What most people (me included sometimes) do not realize is 90% of the time the HC and BI are saying the same things, but in a different way.
Take the simple process of bunting. Each HS coach will have their own approach. Some teach to step to square the feet and shoulders to the pitcher. Some teach to not move the feet and just square the shoulders to the pitcher. Both techniques work real well when done correctly and there are arguments for both. Which one is right? The one the HS coach asks of you, period. When you realize that and not argue or over analyze what the coach is saying, you are a teammate. Complaining to other players, coaches, parents and even a baseball forum is not. |
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TRB
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2017 : 10:07:23
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by TRB
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
The thing about hitting is that the player has to be able to adapt. The swing that works at 9u likely won't work at 12u. The swing that works at 12u, likely won't work at 16u.
Some kids make their swings an ornate process. There is a lifting of the leg, a massive shift backwards, their elbows are doing weird things, maybe they are starting with their bat up high, or bat on shoulder....etc. That will all work just fine, and maybe even well, with 60mph pitching. However, there isn't time to do all that when the ball is barrelling at you at 85+mph, and that can come as early as 14u.
I've seen more than one kid swing late because by the time he recognized the pitch and did all his stepping, arm tweaking stuff, the ball had already gone by.
Hitting mechanics are hitting mechanics regardless of how old you are.
Sure your body goes through changes, but at the end of the day the basics of a swing remain the same. People use different methods to get to a certain point, but in the end if the swing is right, the mechanics will be similar at age 9 as they are at 17. Obviously you should be more polished the older you get but the basics of it should be similar if you're swinging it correctly.
If a person has holes in their swing then eventually it will catch up with them. Hitting a fastball is timing. Timing can be affected by the mechanics of a persons swing. Regardless of how bad the swing is, you can still catch up to a fastball if the timing is adjusted by the hitter.
You must be watching different kids than me. In your scenario if a 9u mechanics are similar to 17u, then a 17u mechanics should be similar to a 9u kid. I just saw an 8u game and none of those kids were swinging/moving like the Varsity high school kids. Their hips, their feet, their elbows, even their heads are doing very different things. The only similarity I saw was that there was a long metal object making contact with a circular white ball.
I thought I was pretty clear and even re read to make sure that it wouldn't be confusing. As I said, if a 9U kids swing is right, or correct, then the mechanics of that swing will be similar to a 17u player. As I also said, obviously a 17u should be more polished, but the nuts and bolts of the swing will be the same. It's not possible to be mechanically correct at one age and then that same swing be mechanically incorrect. That doesn't make sense by any definition. If you want to argue if a 9u is strong enough to swing mechanically correct and hit with power, you could. There is no argument that swing mechanics are swing mechanics. As I also said, kids do some things differently but in the end the actual process of swinging a bat correctly is pretty cut and dry. We're not reinventing the wheel. |
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tbaillie2
120 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2017 : 11:21:01
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A good coach is a good coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
A bad coach is a bad coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
What that coach hit as a player is maybe the most laughable point of coach quality I could imagine. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2017 : 13:03:34
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Originally posted by TRB
I thought I was pretty clear and even re read to make sure that it wouldn't be confusing. As I said, if a 9U kids swing is right, or correct, then the mechanics of that swing will be similar to a 17u player. As I also said, obviously a 17u should be more polished, but the nuts and bolts of the swing will be the same. It's not possible to be mechanically correct at one age and then that same swing be mechanically incorrect. That doesn't make sense by any definition. If you want to argue if a 9u is strong enough to swing mechanically correct and hit with power, you could. There is no argument that swing mechanics are swing mechanics. As I also said, kids do some things differently but in the end the actual process of swinging a bat correctly is pretty cut and dry. We're not reinventing the wheel.
Okay, new approach. What percentage of 9u kids have you seen swing right? |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2017 : 13:34:39
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Originally posted by tbaillie2
A good coach is a good coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
A bad coach is a bad coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
What that coach hit as a player is maybe the most laughable point of coach quality I could imagine.
Exactly right, thank you! |
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TRB
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2017 : 15:01:06
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by TRB
I thought I was pretty clear and even re read to make sure that it wouldn't be confusing. As I said, if a 9U kids swing is right, or correct, then the mechanics of that swing will be similar to a 17u player. As I also said, obviously a 17u should be more polished, but the nuts and bolts of the swing will be the same. It's not possible to be mechanically correct at one age and then that same swing be mechanically incorrect. That doesn't make sense by any definition. If you want to argue if a 9u is strong enough to swing mechanically correct and hit with power, you could. There is no argument that swing mechanics are swing mechanics. As I also said, kids do some things differently but in the end the actual process of swinging a bat correctly is pretty cut and dry. We're not reinventing the wheel.
Okay, new approach. What percentage of 9u kids have you seen swing right?
That's a different subject entirely and not the point that I was trying to make. I hate to be a broken record but the point is, if the swing mechanics are correct the swing will look similar from age to age. If you want to talk about how their head is and their stance then that has nothing to do with mechanics. I'll play along though, not very many of them do. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2017 : 18:11:06
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| What are people's thoughts with regard to batting in general at any age? Is it like speed or crazy good fielding where you've either got it or you don't? No amount of "speed and agility" training will make the slow, clumsy kid lightning fast, or give the fielder those gut instincts and reflexes...but as for batting: is it in a category where, with enough proper instruction on said mechanics, you can create power and fast hands via muscle memory? I've seen a ton of high school players who just can't make it happen no matter the hours in the cage with the pro. But...if mad talent fielding/pitching/speed then not so important? Honestly curious! Input appreciated! And if HS coach giving crazy instruction on hitting vs travel coach but kid is amazing fielder or pitcher does the hitting determine going to the next level or not? Thanks! |
Edited by - Crazyforbball on 02/12/2017 19:29:40 |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2017 : 20:58:31
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Originally posted by tbaillie2
A good coach is a good coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
A bad coach is a bad coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
What that coach hit as a player is maybe the most laughable point of coach quality I could imagine.
I'm going thru this teaching by example phase. A coach could give instruction all day until he is blue in the face, but kids are visual and want to see an example. Next time a coach gives instruction on a kid that is producing with his bat on batting. Give the coach the bat and say "show me with live BP". My coaches did it 20 plus years ago. Should not be any different now. When a kid sees a coach do it, it's easy for them to buy into what the coach is teaching. That trust factor is being established. |
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tbaillie2
120 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2017 : 21:39:37
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by tbaillie2
A good coach is a good coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
A bad coach is a bad coach, whether that be a mom, dad, social study teacher, paid 'travel' coach, college coach, etc.
What that coach hit as a player is maybe the most laughable point of coach quality I could imagine.
I'm going thru this teaching by example phase. A coach could give instruction all day until he is blue in the face, but kids are visual and want to see an example. Next time a coach gives instruction on a kid that is producing with his bat on batting. Give the coach the bat and say "show me with live BP". My coaches did it 20 plus years ago. Should not be any different now. When a kid sees a coach do it, it's easy for them to buy into what the coach is teaching. That trust factor is being established.
Again - that's fine, teaching by example is a fine way to do it, but it's hardly the only proven way. At the highest levels it's pretty common the greatest coaches and teachers of the game were not the greatest of player (at whatever level they ended up at). If you aren't a good communicator, you're not going to be a good coach - regardless of knowledge. Obviously a baseline of knowledge of the game is needed and changes/increases at higher levels. But to suggest the batting average of a coach at whatever level is a barometer is laughable. |
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ecb7
100 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2017 : 21:54:32
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| Please realize a majority of the high school coaches have good intentions by few have the experience and skill level to help improve your son skill level. Everything is up to the parents and player regarding development and recruiting. I have a Senior in High School this year and he's been started for last 3 years on Varsity hitting a team leading Batting Average of over .400 for last 3 season at high classification in Georgia. This will give idea how crazy high school baseball can be my son has been starting at SS, and 3B for last 3 years with highest fielding % and got moved to Outfield in his Senior Year? He's ranked one of the Top MIF according to Perfect Game in GA and has several Division I offers to play at next level and the new starters in our infield won't play past High School. Bottom line High School ball means nothing besides playing with his buddies he grew up with and trying to win a State Championship it's all about Summer Travel Ball and Showcases. Make sure to Prepare your son to test well in 60 Yard Dash, Velocity Test , and improve hitting skills. Take some of these High School Coaches advice for a Grain of Salt. Have a Great Season!! |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2017 : 07:48:20
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Originally posted by Crazyforbball
What are people's thoughts with regard to batting in general at any age? Is it like speed or crazy good fielding where you've either got it or you don't? No amount of "speed and agility" training will make the slow, clumsy kid lightning fast, or give the fielder those gut instincts and reflexes...but as for batting: is it in a category where, with enough proper instruction on said mechanics, you can create power and fast hands via muscle memory? I've seen a ton of high school players who just can't make it happen no matter the hours in the cage with the pro. But...if mad talent fielding/pitching/speed then not so important? Honestly curious! Input appreciated! And if HS coach giving crazy instruction on hitting vs travel coach but kid is amazing fielder or pitcher does the hitting determine going to the next level or not? Thanks!
1. Yes, you either have good hitting or you don't, this is one of the key reasons you see a mass exodus at around 14u. People realize they can't swing as fast as the ball is coming in.
2. The HS season isn't really that long. If the player is receiving "crazy instruction" from the HS coach hopefully they are able to forget it all by the time they get back to TB.
3. If kid is amazing fielder the hitting will matter greatly getting to the next level, but that is usually determined in the TB season, not the HS season. The hitting ability of a pitcher rarely matters in whether or not he moves to the next level. |
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whits23
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Posted - 02/13/2017 : 09:43:52
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| By this age I.E. Varsity age opinions from anyone is a mite point. It's between players and coaches not parents, let go. Drop the rock Let you ur son's life journey begin |
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ABC_Baseball
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Posted - 02/13/2017 : 10:00:26
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Originally posted by Crazyforbball
What are people's thoughts with regard to batting in general at any age? Is it like speed or crazy good fielding where you've either got it or you don't? No amount of "speed and agility" training will make the slow, clumsy kid lightning fast, or give the fielder those gut instincts and reflexes...but as for batting: is it in a category where, with enough proper instruction on said mechanics, you can create power and fast hands via muscle memory? I've seen a ton of high school players who just can't make it happen no matter the hours in the cage with the pro. But...if mad talent fielding/pitching/speed then not so important? Honestly curious! Input appreciated! And if HS coach giving crazy instruction on hitting vs travel coach but kid is amazing fielder or pitcher does the hitting determine going to the next level or not? Thanks!
While hitting is a tool that all players at some point have to learn, I think you either have it or you don't (at least the potential to be a good hitter). I've seen a kid get to travel ball a little late and struggle one year, improve the next year and be a stud in year three. The transition from rec ball and coach pitch is real and can be a challenge.
Training does play a role in hitting, but I think the vast majority of it is just a players natural feel and ability for it. Do they have the hands and reflexes for it? Do they see the ball well? Do they make good decisions quickly? At the end of the day we are talking about razor thin margins. Think about a guy that hits .275 in the majors vs a guys that hist .240. That difference can be 19/20 hits more in the same number of at bats.
Power does count a lot, but all hitters are different. Personally, I value a high average/OBP and low strike out numbers vs. home runs. I know I have seen a lot of kids that can't lay off the ball in their eyes. Granted we are talking about kids under high school age and that discipline can be developed. I think it does speak loudly when you have young kids that show great plate discipline and understanding of the strike zone. I love nothing more than to see a good hitter frustrate a pitcher.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2017 : 11:44:03
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Originally posted by ABC_Baseball
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Originally posted by Crazyforbball
What are people's thoughts with regard to batting in general at any age? Is it like speed or crazy good fielding where you've either got it or you don't? No amount of "speed and agility" training will make the slow, clumsy kid lightning fast, or give the fielder those gut instincts and reflexes...but as for batting: is it in a category where, with enough proper instruction on said mechanics, you can create power and fast hands via muscle memory? I've seen a ton of high school players who just can't make it happen no matter the hours in the cage with the pro. But...if mad talent fielding/pitching/speed then not so important? Honestly curious! Input appreciated! And if HS coach giving crazy instruction on hitting vs travel coach but kid is amazing fielder or pitcher does the hitting determine going to the next level or not? Thanks!
While hitting is a tool that all players at some point have to learn, I think you either have it or you don't (at least the potential to be a good hitter). I've seen a kid get to travel ball a little late and struggle one year, improve the next year and be a stud in year three. The transition from rec ball and coach pitch is real and can be a challenge.
Training does play a role in hitting, but I think the vast majority of it is just a players natural feel and ability for it. Do they have the hands and reflexes for it? Do they see the ball well? Do they make good decisions quickly? At the end of the day we are talking about razor thin margins. Think about a guy that hits .275 in the majors vs a guys that hist .240. That difference can be 19/20 hits more in the same number of at bats.
Power does count a lot, but all hitters are different. Personally, I value a high average/OBP and low strike out numbers vs. home runs. I know I have seen a lot of kids that can't lay off the ball in their eyes. Granted we are talking about kids under high school age and that discipline can be developed. I think it does speak loudly when you have young kids that show great plate discipline and understanding of the strike zone. I love nothing more than to see a good hitter frustrate a pitcher.
Providing the umpire is seeing the same strike zone. All I can ask from an ump is that they are consistent. If low and inside is a strike from batter one then fine, it is what it is, the batter must adapt.
Nothing bothers me more than to see a batter take the pitcher to a full count, then foul a couple off, and be rung up on a pitch that was obviously a ball. Kind of makes me wonder if that's why the QAB stat was invented. |
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Ryno23
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Posted - 02/13/2017 : 14:17:36
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My son's school season starts this week. While only 16 games slated for the JV schedule, he's extremely excited to have earned the starting catching position. The team has played a couple of inter-squad and scrimmage games, as everyone knows that early in the season that pitching has the advantage. He has gone 2-7 with a couple of line outs and strike outs, the varsity coach has seem to back off a bit with his critiquing of the swing. There has been no discussions with the coach and my son in regards to the details of his swing, or the mentioning of working under the tutelage of his travel ball coach. Ultimately, this will more than likely be my son's high school baseball coach for the next four seasons and his intentions seem to be with nothing but positive results. As a father, I wanted this to be a life learning experience on how to handle uncomfortable situations and for me to provide him with suggestions on how to handle it.
I appreciate everyone's input, even though a few responses got a bit off track I want to thank everyone for their input.
And honestly, I would love to be more engaging on this site....just seems like some folks want to hijack majority of the threads and make them their own. |
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dgersh22
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Posted - 02/13/2017 : 16:25:26
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Ryno23, I can't agree with you more!
"And honestly, I would love to be more engaging on this site....just seems like some folks want to hijack majority of the threads and make them their own."
Seems like there is some people that know everything from coaches, to instruction, to what tournaments to play in all the way down to how to get your son to play college baseball- heck this person even knows how to get stains out of pants!
That is why I don't reply to a lot of threads! |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2017 : 21:02:30
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Please realize a majority of the high school coaches have good intentions by few have the experience and skill level to help improve your son skill level. Everything is up to the parents and player regarding development and recruiting. I have a Senior in High School this year and he's been started for last 3 years on Varsity hitting a team leading Batting Average of over .400 for last 3 season at high classification in Georgia. This will give idea how crazy high school baseball can be my son has been starting at SS, and 3B for last 3 years with highest fielding % and got moved to Outfield in his Senior Year? He's ranked one of the Top MIF according to Perfect Game in GA and has several Division I offers to play at next level and the new starters in our infield won't play past High School. Bottom line High School ball means nothing besides playing with his buddies he grew up with and trying to win a State Championship it's all about Summer Travel Ball and Showcases. Make sure to Prepare your son to test well in 60 Yard Dash, Velocity Test , and improve hitting skills. Take some of these High School Coaches advice for a Grain of Salt. Have a Great Season!!
Kudos. Someone who knows the truth. |
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Ryno23
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Posted - 02/14/2017 : 06:15:57
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by ecb7
Please realize a majority of the high school coaches have good intentions by few have the experience and skill level to help improve your son skill level. Everything is up to the parents and player regarding development and recruiting. I have a Senior in High School this year and he's been started for last 3 years on Varsity hitting a team leading Batting Average of over .400 for last 3 season at high classification in Georgia. This will give idea how crazy high school baseball can be my son has been starting at SS, and 3B for last 3 years with highest fielding % and got moved to Outfield in his Senior Year? He's ranked one of the Top MIF according to Perfect Game in GA and has several Division I offers to play at next level and the new starters in our infield won't play past High School. Bottom line High School ball means nothing besides playing with his buddies he grew up with and trying to win a State Championship it's all about Summer Travel Ball and Showcases. Make sure to Prepare your son to test well in 60 Yard Dash, Velocity Test , and improve hitting skills. Take some of these High School Coaches advice for a Grain of Salt. Have a Great Season!!
Kudos. Someone who knows the truth.
You're absolutely correct! I realized several years ago, it is the parents responsibility to make sure your son is prepared for the measurable skills that colleges rely on as you described. The days of relying on your high school coach to assist in college opportunities are for the most part, extinct. That process started for him over the winter and fall, working out three times a week and building a stronger core, along with speed and agility. He was able to earn a spot with one of the top teams in the state and we will be spending a majority of our weekends at Emerson from April until July.
Thanks again and hope everyone has a great baseball season!
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Originally posted by ecb7
Please realize a majority of the high school coaches have good intentions by few have the experience and skill level to help improve your son skill level. Everything is up to the parents and player regarding development and recruiting. I have a Senior in High School this year and he's been started for last 3 years on Varsity hitting a team leading Batting Average of over .400 for last 3 season at high classification in Georgia. This will give idea how crazy high school baseball can be my son has been starting at SS, and 3B for last 3 years with highest fielding % and got moved to Outfield in his Senior Year? He's ranked one of the Top MIF according to Perfect Game in GA and has several Division I offers to play at next level and the new starters in our infield won't play past High School. Bottom line High School ball means nothing besides playing with his buddies he grew up with and trying to win a State Championship it's all about Summer Travel Ball and Showcases. Make sure to Prepare your son to test well in 60 Yard Dash, Velocity Test , and improve hitting skills. Take some of these High School Coaches advice for a Grain of Salt. Have a Great Season!!
Kudos. Someone who knows the truth.
You're absolutely correct! I realized several years ago, it is the parents responsibility to make sure your son is prepared for the measurable skills that colleges rely on as you described. The days of relying on your high school coach to assist in college opportunities are for the most part, extinct. That process started for him over the winter and fall, working out three times a week and building a stronger core, along with speed and agility. He was able to earn a spot with one of the top teams in the state and we will be spending a majority of our weekends at Emerson from April until July.
Thanks again and hope everyone has a great baseball season!
None of that means the High School coach isn't good, or one's individual trainer/coach and travel team staff is better (or worse).
A HS coach, particularly at higher/highest levels likely knows he's getting a bunch of (fairly) polished products and just as they probably won't do much to someone's "swing" if they really are 'that level' and producing - they also understand their position in recruitment. It's not a mutually exclusive conversation as some want to suggest or portray it to be. Do some HS coaches suck? Sure. Do some "travel coaches" suck? Absofreakinglutely.
The goal of a/the parent is to recognize the needs (and capabilities) of their kid/player and properly support them. The nonsense about HS coaches basically just carte blanche getting in the way screams more jealousy than it does any real knowledge of the game or process. |
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