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Punishers
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 Posted - 02/20/2017 : 01:33:21
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This is a a note for this upcoming spring season:
Team Wins - Players get the credit.
Team Looses - Coaches are to blame.
Some coaches are quick to blame the kids because they are getting out coached due to their lack of knowledge and failing to make game time changes.
Example 1: Batting order yielding the same results and it's not positive. Coach should have enough sense to to make a change if their intentions are to win by placing the best hitters in the best spots to get runs. Unless there are other intentions or agendas in order.
Example 2: If your best fastball pitcher is getting rocked, the coach should have enough sense to change to a off-speed or breaking ball pitcher to mix it up. Unless there are other intentions or agendas in order.
Reminds me of walking home from grade school knowing that I would be chased by a dog in the neighborhood if I went down Market Street. Are you going to continue to walk down the same street knowing the results or are you going to adapt and take a different path?
Failure to adapt to a changing environment will lead to early extinction. Guaranteed.
Wishing everyone a great season of baseball! |
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Ryno23
123 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2017 : 10:29:21
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| Albert Einstein is broadly credited with exclaiming “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. I am sure that a lot of folks will read this and instantly think, "DADDY BALL" or is it a situation of lack of baseball knowledge? Commons sense tells me by your post, that there is a decent amount of talent and the team is simply under performing due to different agendas being at play. |
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2017 : 15:07:46
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Personally, I prefer to set my teams batting order based on the lesson income the payer produces. Is there supposed to be another way?
Execute what is instructed at practice win games.
Fail to execute what is instructed at practice lose games. Skip practice lose games.
Keep the score close my pledge is to outcoach the opponent and find that 1 run or play that will make the difference.
Get down by 8 runs, there is not a whole lot any coach can do.
Games are often won by what batters 6-9/10/whatever do. If those batters have a good game you win. If those batters have a bad game it doesn't normally matter what 1-5 do.
And what is a fastball pitcher? They all apparently play for free on some other team if I understand correctly. Hit spots, stay low, win games.........elevate, down middle, lose bigly.
But whatever the outcome the coach dang sure didn't throw the ball, touch the ball, hit any ball, or let that roller under his glove. The players either can execute or they can not execute. Its on them 99.9% of the time. |
Edited by - Renegade44 on 02/20/2017 17:36:28 |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2017 : 18:51:32
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Originally posted by Ryno23
Albert Einstein is broadly credited with exclaiming “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. I am sure that a lot of folks will read this and instantly think, "DADDY BALL" or is it a situation of lack of baseball knowledge? Commons sense tells me by your post, that there is a decent amount of talent and the team is simply under performing due to different agendas being at play.
Not my team. Just stating a note of wisdom and experience.
I'm old school. Jump out and get a an early lead with 1-5 hitters. Easier to play ahead than behind. Unless you are the Falcons. |
Edited by - Punishers on 02/21/2017 09:47:39 |
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SuperStar
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Posted - 02/20/2017 : 20:39:02
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I agree for the most part in what Renegade44 said above. It is the coaches job to know the players and their talents. If he doesn't know them, then certainly he can learn them and put every one where they belong to give the team the best chance of winning.
In some cases, it is very helpful to speak with other adults on the team that really know these kids and the game. Example would be: some of us have been watching these players since 6 year old ball. This means watching multiple players from multiple teams over the years. We know how they play and perform especially during game time. This also comes in handy during recruiting time.
Now, I know this can be a sensitive area with egos getting involved. For me, and for the most part, I've been lucky enough to have had good relationships with the coaches and we trust each others instincts and knowledge of the game and the players.
I'll say one more thing about this particular topic. Every once in a while, you will come across a coach that knows everything and can't be told nothing. If you see this is the case and you know in your heart that the team could be better with changes being made, but are not being made, well then it's time to move on. Been there, done that, and got a t-shirt.
After all this is said and done, it is on the players performing or not performing. Like Renegade44 said above, if you are down by one run, the coach can make something happen. If you are down by a ridiculous amount, well then that's another story.
I always tell people that there is one factor in any sport. There are what I call "players" and "gamers". A player is someone who plays the sport, and a gamer is someone who loves to compete and always are your play makers. Gamers are the difference makers week in and week out. Put all these factors together and everyone do their homework, then you put your best team on the field.
That's all you can ask for from any team. It doesn't mean you will win every game, it just means you left it all on the table and let the chips fall where they may. Good luck to everyone this season! |
Edited by - SuperStar on 02/20/2017 21:58:50 |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 07:51:50
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I think it is very possible to get out coached. Often it is the balance of being aggressive and being cautious. You have two outs, did you really have to send that guy to try and steal home? Well that could be yes or no.
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teddy41
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Posted - 02/21/2017 : 08:20:28
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its jimmy and joe not x and o that win games. you face a team throwing gas and 1-9 can not hit them and you lose.
It is not like you can take a team that is out talented and coach them to victory. Anyone want to take a AAA team and go beat the 16u astros?
did not think so |
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 13:09:15
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| Sure? Why not? Give me some time to figure out what they don't do well and what we do well. I'll go 1 game for all the marbles. Its baseball, anything can happen in 1 game. Bad bounce, walks, fail to execute small ball outs, wind blowing in, no adjusting to slow pitcher, there is an advantage to be had and a weakness to exploit. Somewhere. Somehow. |
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oneZone
117 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 14:35:09
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Good coaching alone is sometimes not enough, just like good playing alone is sometimes not enough.
There are two kinds of out-coaching: the in-game out-coaching, and the between-tournaments out-coachng. As a few posts above point out, there's only so much you can do in the middle of the game. It can make a big difference, for sure. But I would argue that most meaningful out-coaching actually happens between tournaments.
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dgersh22
169 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 18:43:37
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A couple of summers ago the 17u team that I coached and that my son played on, played the top 17u East Cobb team which was also ranked #1 in PG at a PG tournament. We threw a crafty LH at them that didn't break 80MPH, and was great at changing speeds and holding runners close. I had a very good catcher that called a great game (I let all my catchers call the game-part of their development).
I had no superstars on that team, just a bunch of young men that knew how to play the game and play it right. We went out and played practical error free ball, turned some DP's, didn't walk many, and limited their opportunities. They went out and won 6-4 in front of a large crowd and many scouts. It wasn't anything special we or I did that day, it was the practice and mental preparation we did days and weeks prior that put us in position to win every time we hit the field.
Happy to say a couple of kids got offers that next week just from being seen in that game! To give you an idea of our line-up compared to theirs.
Their Line-up looked like this - Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech, 1st round Rays, South Carolina, GT, 1st round Nationals, GT, GT, WF and their pitchers where GT, Jacksonville U, GT
Our Line-up looked like this- Shorter U, Piedmont, Piedmont, West GA Tech, Piedmont, Not recruited, Not recruited, U of Texas Dallas, Oglethorpe our pitchers were Rhinehart and Shorter.
Just goes to show you that on any given day any team can beat any team! I believe coaching has somewhat to do with it, but at the older level (HS Age), where the talent level is so close between a Pro caliber player down to a D3 or JUCO or sometime not even recruited player it can comes down to the size of the heart and how bad you want it.
On a side note we played the same team (different players) the next year, I tried the same thing, crafty LH. We got short gamed in 6 innings. You just never know! |
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2017 : 21:11:44
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2017 : 00:01:59
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| Never been Out Umpired, but had a lot of bad calls. My definition of being out coached is watching the other coach make changes and not being cognitive enough to counter with changes of your own. You can't wait 2 or 3 innings to make adjustments. Too late when you down by 6 in the 1st inning. The game is pretty much lost at that point. |
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743
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Posted - 02/22/2017 : 09:01:00
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I have seen a coach take an average AAA 12U team and compete and make every single Gold Bracket that season in Major Tournaments. Finish in the top 12 at Cooperstown.
Upset a couple of top teams and about 90% of what he did was coaching. Stealing home on a pitch he knew would be a curve ball most likely in the dirt with a fast runner on 3B and a kid at that plate that was probably going to strike out. He never made it about winning or losing but he got everything he could out of that AAA team. Most of the kids are still playing HS baseball today. Some will play college, guy was a great coach. Got them all to buy into what he was doing, parents, included.
They all got better that year. Guy never said a single curse word, got pissed if kids loafed or didn't hustle but never said a word about missing balls, missing signs now that was a different story. After that season guy coached one of the best Major 13U teams in GA. I think I am a pretty good coach, but could I have coached those kids that year and done half the job he did, no way! |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 02/22/2017 : 13:29:49
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Originally posted by Renegade44
Anybody ever been Out Umpired?
I've definitely seen the umpire decide who won the game. |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 14:10:14
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| It takes both...talent and coaching. After 1000 drills and instruction kids still can't catch/field/hit the ball, nothing coach can do but try to minimize the damage. Good talent..coach has to recognize when, say, his ace pitcher is "off" can't load the bases with walks and then send in the relief guy when he finally starts walking them home. Switch up your pitchers. Put the players in the positions to win...sorry but your kids or your hurt feelings about where he plays loses games. Not fair to those who can get the job done being left to mop up the mess. The rest is up to the kids..they either field, hit, and pitch well or they don't! |
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bsblfan
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Posted - 02/27/2017 : 22:59:36
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| I'd just like to say "Thanks" to all of the coaches who coach my son. I try hard to always be a face in the crowd and never criticize. It always seems strange to see a kid getting drafted and they show what high school he came from, when you know darn well that high school coach had him for two months and a travel ball coach had him the other 10. Keep up the good work, gents. Some of us parents appreciate all you do. |
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