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in_the_know
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 Posted - 03/08/2016 : 22:43:34
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Originally posted by hshuler
Is there a bit of hypocrisy in the rule, sure, but I also watch coaches who are too overweight and out of shape to touch their toes standing make kids run poles and do other exercises. It is what it is and as many have stated, whether you agree or not, it is completely within the purview of the head coach to set the rules for his players and not necessarily apply the same rules to himself. He's an apple and they're oranges, so not fair to consider them the same.
I resemble that remark! :-)
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 08:08:15
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Originally posted by 743
I still say the bottom line is if you make your players shave you should shave, if you disagree with that you are delusional!
743, are you a player growing a stache and are envious of your coaches beard? |
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743
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 10:24:56
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Not a player CaCO3Girl, but I played the game longer than most and I do read your post and think you are in for a shock when your son gets to HS.
"Do you allow your children to do EVERYTHING that you allow yourself to do that is legally available to them? I don't. I'm an adult. I have rules that apply to me and different rules that apply to my children."
I don't consider High School aged players "Children" so no I don't allow my children to do everything I legally do. We aren't talking about laws but we are talking about a leader getting players to follow him into a game/battle and I can tell you with 100% certainty that those high school aged players will play harder for a guy who allows them to be themselves, wear their hair the way they prefer, pants and socks the way they want, pick their own walk up music be individuals to some degree but be part of a team. When the heat is turned up they are going to lay down on the guy that demands respect and demands they follow his rules because he is in charge.
How would most of you view a coach not allowing gay or female players on his team?
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bballman
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 11:26:50
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Originally posted by 743
...we are talking about a leader getting players to follow him into a game/battle and I can tell you with 100% certainty that those high school aged players will play harder for a guy who allows them to be themselves, wear their hair the way they prefer, pants and socks the way they want, pick their own walk up music be individuals to some degree but be part of a team. When the heat is turned up they are going to lay down on the guy that demands respect and demands they follow his rules because he is in charge...
Guess that's how the Yankees won those 26 World Series with their no facial hair and no long hair policies...
I've seen it go both ways. Those players who really love the game will abide by the coach's rules and go about their business on the field. And have one heck of a lot of fun doing it. |
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743
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 13:41:04
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Clean shave policy didn't start early so you can't count all 26 of those WS wins, maybe 5, Yankees won by paying their players more than any other franchise and getting the best players on a team, lets talk teams that won it without doing that and I bet they didn't have a no facial hair policy. Lets look at the best players in MLB baseball hitting and pitching, last year I bet 99% have facial hair.
And I bet you can't name one championship team that had a coach that wore a beard or facial hair that would not let his players wear one.
Bottom line read this article and tell me the players don't get excited about it, its fun and that is what baseball is supposed to be anyway.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/mustache-craze-grows-yankees-clubhouse-article-1.2211880
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bballman
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 17:35:35
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| I'm not saying it's not fun. My son and many of his college teammates have the beard thing going. And I'm not saying you can't win unless you have a any hair is ok policy. I'm saying it's the coach's team and he can do what he wants and the players should abide by it. And maybe the Yankees have only won 5 in the clean shaven era, but how many other teams have won that many over that period of time? And I hate the Yankees for all the reasons you mentioned above. Just sayin'... |
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bfriendly
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Posted - 03/09/2016 : 21:44:28
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At the High School level, the Kids are becoming adults before our very eyes......whether or not we like it. They are beginning to do many things we do.............yep
I think the key phrase here is "At the high School Level".........I say Learn to live with the policy, or change organizations(you have a choice)....... If you can some how even appreciate a policy like that, it will be beneficial rather than hating it(you do have a choice)and following it because you have to.
BTW-even if there is no "Policy" in regards to facial hair, as soon as the coach mentioned it, there became one. |
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BaseballMom6
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Posted - 03/10/2016 : 13:00:04
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As is not uncommon on here this thread has gone astray.
The original question posed was "At the high school age do you think Coaches should be able to tell players how to wear their hair, beard mustache on the baseball field?"
There was no mention of not following a policy that the coach lays down, but rather if we agreed that they should be able to make a rule regarding hair style and facial hair. I don't think anyone on here thinks their player should not have to follow the rules whether they agree or not.
However, I love the poster who suggests if you don't the organizations rules, go elsewhere("you do have a choice"). This is not travel ball we are talking about. It is, for the most part, public HS baseball. GHSA rules don't allow you to just change schools because you don't like a coach. So, you do not have a choice. With HS you get what you get or don't play.
And for the poster who is concerned that "It can cause strife between players (especially during play-offs) when the sophomore can sport a bushy beard and the senior can barely grow peach fuzz."
If your kid can't handle that my 15 year old has a full beard and he doesn't, he has bigger problems. That is no different than suggesting we get rid of tall players because it makes the short ones feel bad. Genetics - you get what you get. |
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 03/10/2016 : 15:22:33
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I was thinking the same thing about kids feeling bad. Maybe they should outlaw the home run because some kids will never hit one in their life. Heck why keep score anyway.
Play the game like the colleges and pros then I say most colleges and pro teams let them be who they want to be. Interesting article on msn with Bryce Harper about making the game more exciting. |
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bfriendly
376 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2016 : 15:35:28
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Originally posted by BaseballMom6
As is not uncommon on here this thread has gone astray.
The original question posed was "At the high school age do you think Coaches should be able to tell players how to wear their hair, beard mustache on the baseball field?"
There was no mention of not following a policy that the coach lays down, but rather if we agreed that they should be able to make a rule regarding hair style and facial hair. I don't think anyone on here thinks their player should not have to follow the rules whether they agree or not.
However, I love the poster who suggests if you don't the organizations rules, go elsewhere("you do have a choice"). This is not travel ball we are talking about. It is, for the most part, public HS baseball. GHSA rules don't allow you to just change schools because you don't like a coach. So, you do not have a choice. With HS you get what you get or don't play.
And for the poster who is concerned that "It can cause strife between players (especially during play-offs) when the sophomore can sport a bushy beard and the senior can barely grow peach fuzz."
If your kid can't handle that my 15 year old has a full beard and he doesn't, he has bigger problems. That is no different than suggesting we get rid of tall players because it makes the short ones feel bad. Genetics - you get what you get.
Posting on a public forum was also a choice I'm not trying to do anything other than give MHO.......perhaps with some elaboration.
I LOVE what we do(Travel ball and all things associated). I love to learn. Coming on here is my choice and I choose to participate; I have learned a lot by doing so.
Life is all about choices and the sooner the Young adult in High school understands that, the better. If he has full facial hair, thats fine with me. I even feel the frustration as I grew up with friends with similar attributes. But it is something he will have to deal with his entire life and it appears it has already started(him dealing with it). I agree its a bummer about the coach and I would prefer to let him play with it like a San Francisco Giant closer.
If you just want a simple answer, I'd say yes |
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bballman
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Posted - 03/10/2016 : 16:23:48
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Originally posted by BaseballMom6
As is not uncommon on here this thread has gone astray.
The original question posed was "At the high school age do you think Coaches should be able to tell players how to wear their hair, beard mustache on the baseball field?"
Simply put - yes.
Coach should be able to do that at any level. Including the HS level. |
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743
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Posted - 03/11/2016 : 13:58:10
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If the original question was "At the high school age do you think Coaches should be able to tell players they can't have facial hair if he has a beard?"
Would your answer change?
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sebaseball
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Posted - 03/11/2016 : 15:30:58
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Originally posted by 743
I do believe in certain policies of on and off field behavior but facial hair, long hair, buzz but, flat top, tattoo etc should not be my decision but the players and his parents.
Don't know what that is, but I do know that I'm not going anywhere near that subject with my players!  |
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Kory
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bballman
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Posted - 03/11/2016 : 23:33:29
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Originally posted by Kory
This is from the best coach ever. I'll follow his lead.
https://youtu.be/4OPu3fnbmvo
Nice!! Coach sets the rules, players follow the rules... If more people followed the rules and more coaches towed the line and held players responsible and more parents told their kids to do what the coach says, the better our society would be. Too much me and not enough team now a days.
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hshuler
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Posted - 03/12/2016 : 11:22:44
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by Kory
This is from the best coach ever. I'll follow his lead.
https://youtu.be/4OPu3fnbmvo
Nice!! Coach sets the rules, players follow the rules... If more people followed the rules and more coaches towed the line and held players responsible and more parents told their kids to do what the coach says, the better our society would be. Too much me and not enough team now a days.
Agreed! My parents made it simple...respect authority!
My philosophy is the same with my kids...and if they decide not to follow the rules there will be swift and decisive consequences to correct that behavior. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2016 : 09:15:20
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Originally posted by bballman
If more people followed the rules and more coaches towed the line and held players responsible and more parents told their kids to do what the coach says, the better our society would be. Too much me and not enough team now a days.
HEY!!!!! Careful with that 'nonsense'! You're going to offend someone with REALITY!
This is just the thing I needed to read with my morning coffee, to put a HUGE smile on my face! Thanks for that! |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2016 : 15:58:23
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| HA HA HA you are talking late 1960's. He would not be able to get away with those policies today. |
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bfriendly
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Posted - 03/14/2016 : 23:57:13
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Originally posted by 743
HA HA HA you are talking late 1960's. He would not be able to get away with those policies today.
And some folks might think that that is what is wrong with our society these days.........Many Kids think everything should be given to them for free and on a Silver high tech platter. Some old school respect, discipline and responsibility could go along way. Unfortunately, we have drifted far from those days |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/15/2016 : 09:06:09
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Originally posted by 743
HA HA HA you are talking late 1960's. He would not be able to get away with those policies today.
And why is that?
In the 1960's if Bill Walton had gone home and told his parents that Coach Wooden wasn't going to let him play unless he cut his hair short and shaved his face clean, his dad would have taken him by the ear and drug him to the nearest barber chair. Walton knew this so he hopped on his bike and took himself. When the kid comes home today with the same dilemma, parents seek validation on message boards asking is the coach has the "right" to hold little Johnny to his "senseless" rules.
Times have changed and we only need look in a mirror to see why. |
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bballman
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Posted - 03/15/2016 : 09:49:56
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Originally posted by in_the_know
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Originally posted by 743
HA HA HA you are talking late 1960's. He would not be able to get away with those policies today.
And why is that?
In the 1960's if Bill Walton had gone home and told his parents that Coach Wooden wasn't going to let him play unless he cut his hair short and shaved his face clean, his dad would have taken him by the ear and drug him to the nearest barber chair.
If my son came home in that scenario today, I would drag him by the ear to the nearest barber shop!!!
He certainly would be able to "get away" with that today... There are plenty of coaches out there who have no facial hair policies. There's clearly nothing wrong with that. in_the_know is right, it starts at home. |
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turntwo
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Posted - 03/15/2016 : 10:47:16
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| Speaking of barber shops, where can a fella get a shave now a days in the metro area? |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2016 : 10:59:36
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Originally posted by in_the_know
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Originally posted by 743
HA HA HA you are talking late 1960's. He would not be able to get away with those policies today.
And why is that?
In the 1960's if Bill Walton had gone home and told his parents that Coach Wooden wasn't going to let him play unless he cut his hair short and shaved his face clean, his dad would have taken him by the ear and drug him to the nearest barber chair. Walton knew this so he hopped on his bike and took himself. When the kid comes home today with the same dilemma, parents seek validation on message boards asking is the coach has the "right" to hold little Johnny to his "senseless" rules.
Times have changed and we only need look in a mirror to see why.
Our kids are growing up in a generation where EVERYONE has an opinion because they think the internet at their fingertips makes them experts. I didn't hear anything growing up about parents opting out of vaccinating their kids and yet it's rampant today.
I was thrilled to see a sign at the pediatricians office that said "As of 1/1/16 we choose to no longer care for patients that are not properly vaccinated." I took that to mean, "Fine, if our medical degrees aren't enough to convince you to vaccinate your kid because you know better then you feel free to go elsewhere"....love that place! |
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743
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Posted - 03/15/2016 : 12:20:54
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Be 100% Honest would Wooden not allow facial hair for his players if he had a facial hair? That is my point he would not ask his players to do something he is not asking himself to do. I have no problem
with a coach establishing team rules but if he can't follow them why should I?
What if the coach decided to pitch your son with a hurt arm, is that okay because he is in charge?
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2016 : 13:28:45
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Originally posted by 743
Be 100% Honest would Wooden not allow facial hair for his players if he had a facial hair? That is my point he would not ask his players to do something he is not asking himself to do. I have no problem
with a coach establishing team rules but if he can't follow them why should I?
What if the coach decided to pitch your son with a hurt arm, is that okay because he is in charge?
743, while I find your posts amusing you do go off on tangents that are absurd. The health of a player is never open to debate with a coach. However, if a parent has an absurd "safety" rule like a kid can only pitch 35 pitches per week then it is up to the coach if he wants to keep that kid.
Conversely, if the coach asks a player to play in a tutu with lipstick on then it is up to the player if THEY want to play on that guys team. That's it, end of discussion. This is what you have to do to play, are you in or out?
If you think it is unfair that a coach can have facial hair but wants his team to NOT have facial hair then the duck dynasty look alike can go play on a travel team somewhere and not his high school team. |
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