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catmando
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 Posted - 03/16/2016 : 17:48:34
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| The idea of having a tournament with a 2GG and time limit of 1:30 for 13u and then shipping them to play at other parks is nuts. Why even bother if you only get 1 game there. |
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brball
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Posted - 03/16/2016 : 21:41:04
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Originally posted by catmando
The idea of having a tournament with a 2GG and time limit of 1:30 for 13u and then shipping them to play at other parks is nuts. Why even bother if you only get 1 game there.
Welcome to Perfect Game, Lakepointe style... You either love it or hate it, depending on your draw and / or how late your team plays into the tourney! |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 03/17/2016 : 08:02:03
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Originally posted by catmando
The idea of having a tournament with a 2GG and time limit of 1:30 for 13u and then shipping them to play at other parks is nuts. Why even bother if you only get 1 game there.
Why bother....well in my opinion it isn't just about getting to play at Lakepoint, although it is beautiful, it's about PG stats. Whether you play at Lakepoint or ECB or wherever they have a PG rep there to record pitching speeds and making judgements on kids that should be named to the All Tournament Team.
i.e it's entirely likely a 13u kid will now have a PG profile complete with graduation year and high school, his best speeds for pitching a fastball, change-up, and curve ball, and if he does well hitting or pitching he may qualify for the All tournament Team which gets his profile a nice red rectangle showing anyone who ever looks at his profile that PG found his performance impressive in that tournament.
I personally LOVE PG events because even if you are on a horrible team each kid knows what they pitched and at 13u that isn't done often. Grandma who lives in Arizona can google PG and put in their grandsons name and find his profile, which at 13 is just cool. Also, it's got a cool factor to play where the big boys play. |
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panther
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Posted - 03/17/2016 : 10:14:32
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| perfect game at young ages is not a good deal plain and simple. Like you stated you might not even play at the park. Stats and all tournament teams are pointless at 13u anyway. The all tournament teams have a ton of players on those teams ask your self why. I will tell you it is good for business. We played last year and played at Cartersville little league park 12u. Could have done that for 300.00 on any other weekend. They will get plenty of your money as you get to older level baseball save it for then unless your funds are unlimited. Not sold on the radar there either. Last night faced a sophomore pg said last summer 90mph. tops we clocked him at was 86k with a stalker gun. Cruising speed was 82-84 |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 03/17/2016 : 11:14:49
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Originally posted by panther
perfect game at young ages is not a good deal plain and simple. Like you stated you might not even play at the park. Stats and all tournament teams are pointless at 13u anyway. The all tournament teams have a ton of players on those teams ask your self why. I will tell you it is good for business. We played last year and played at Cartersville little league park 12u. Could have done that for 300.00 on any other weekend. They will get plenty of your money as you get to older level baseball save it for then unless your funds are unlimited. Not sold on the radar there either. Last night faced a sophomore pg said last summer 90mph. tops we clocked him at was 86k with a stalker gun. Cruising speed was 82-84
Does it make financial sense to play at a tourney that is twice as expensive....nope. Is it the tournament your youth team will remember as the standout tourney of the year for them because it was just so freaking cool, yup!
Priorities people...I'm willing to pay for the cool factor, whether it means anything long term or not to my son's baseball future, it's just cool! It's the reason why you don't bunt at Cooperstown you let each kid swing for that super close fence, it's about the love of the game. Doing one PG event a season won't break the bank and the kids will love it. |
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BamaDad
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Posted - 03/17/2016 : 14:37:31
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by panther
perfect game at young ages is not a good deal plain and simple. Like you stated you might not even play at the park. Stats and all tournament teams are pointless at 13u anyway. The all tournament teams have a ton of players on those teams ask your self why. I will tell you it is good for business. We played last year and played at Cartersville little league park 12u. Could have done that for 300.00 on any other weekend. They will get plenty of your money as you get to older level baseball save it for then unless your funds are unlimited. Not sold on the radar there either. Last night faced a sophomore pg said last summer 90mph. tops we clocked him at was 86k with a stalker gun. Cruising speed was 82-84
Does it make financial sense to play at a tourney that is twice as expensive....nope. Is it the tournament your youth team will remember as the standout tourney of the year for them because it was just so freaking cool, yup!
Priorities people...I'm willing to pay for the cool factor, whether it means anything long term or not to my son's baseball future, it's just cool! It's the reason why you don't bunt at Cooperstown you let each kid swing for that super close fence, it's about the love of the game. Doing one PG event a season won't break the bank and the kids will love it.
Agree. It's the "cache" of playing at PG. It's like why drive a Porsche when a Corvette is just as fast. It's the "cache" of driving a Porsche. Your boys could play at XYZ Park every weekend with no particular memories. My son's first trip to PG was as a fill-in on a team for a weekend. The experience and the facilities blew us away. Before that, we had only heard of PG and never had seen a turf field for kids. After that weekend, the search was on for a team that played there on a regular basis. With the price difference only being about $15-20 more per kid for a weekend, it's more than worth it to the kids. |
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Renegade44
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Posted - 03/17/2016 : 15:27:40
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Priorities people...I'm willing to pay for the cool factor, whether it means anything long term or not to my son's baseball future, it's just cool!.
Truly no offense. But I want to edit to give another opinion of what the travel ball industry is becoming or has already become. Hint, its not the same now as it was even 5 years ago.
The travel ball promoters have tapped into the cool factor as a direct link to your checking account. They know its cool and all the trend rage right now, they hype the dream, they hype the be here or miss out on that recruiting chance, they sell, we buy, they upsell, some buy the upsell, many are priced out.
Oneday critical mass is going to be reached, and the whole industry is going to implode. At what price that is? Who knows. Too many checkbooks wide open right now to even guess. |
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bfriendly
376 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2016 : 03:52:28
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Originally posted by Renegade44
Priorities people...I'm willing to pay for the cool factor, whether it means anything long term or not to my son's baseball future, it's just cool!.
Truly no offense. But I want to edit to give another opinion of what the travel ball industry is becoming or has already become. Hint, its not the same now as it was even 5 years ago.
The travel ball promoters have tapped into the cool factor as a direct link to your checking account. They know its cool and all the trend rage right now, they hype the dream, they hype the be here or miss out on that recruiting chance, they sell, we buy, they upsell, some buy the upsell, many are priced out.
Oneday critical mass is going to be reached, and the whole industry is going to implode. At what price that is? Who knows. Too many checkbooks wide open right now to even guess.
Yep, its capitalism........Supply and Demand.....very simple. If we demand it, someone(PG) will supply it. So long as we keep Paying, they'll keep selling.........I'd pay for the cool factor too, BTW  |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 03/18/2016 : 07:51:09
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Originally posted by Renegade44
Priorities people...I'm willing to pay for the cool factor, whether it means anything long term or not to my son's baseball future, it's just cool!.
Truly no offense. But I want to edit to give another opinion of what the travel ball industry is becoming or has already become. Hint, its not the same now as it was even 5 years ago.
The travel ball promoters have tapped into the cool factor as a direct link to your checking account. They know its cool and all the trend rage right now, they hype the dream, they hype the be here or miss out on that recruiting chance, they sell, we buy, they upsell, some buy the upsell, many are priced out.
Oneday critical mass is going to be reached, and the whole industry is going to implode. At what price that is? Who knows. Too many checkbooks wide open right now to even guess.
Having your checkbook open is par for the course when raising a teenager. My step-daughter (10 years ago) wasn't in a single sport but we paid out the nose for Abercrombie clothing, if it didn't have that freaking moose on it she wouldn't wear it. In the long run baseball might be cheaper!
I imagine most parents pay out more than they should for that MUST HAVE item for their child. Perhaps it's computers, video games, hiking/camping gear, store specific clothing/shoes...I count myself lucky that while I pay out the nose for baseball I truly enjoy the game and especially love watching my son play, so in a way I am getting more out of this than a typical parent who pays for that MUST have item and gets no use out of it themselves. |
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turntwo
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Posted - 03/18/2016 : 10:08:20
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| While, I completely agree (and well worded Renegade44) the 'cache' is so VERY COOL..... I also, am on catmando's side as well. Do not sell me something under the guise of "PG", only to not have but 1 game there for a weekend, and shorten game times, etc... Of course, with that said, you're talking a 1-day tourney... Can't expect 'regular' game times, right? Sure you'd like to play at Lakepoint, and I get that frustration, BUT, the cost of ONLY $300 for a 1-day tourney seems in line with everyone else's '1-day' tourneys. Not sure you're paying that much of a premium-- especially with only a 2 GG. |
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dad4kids
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Posted - 03/18/2016 : 11:21:34
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It's worth it simply because of the amazing facilities they get to play on. All the adjcacent fields were filled with college teams from around the country when we were there. Kids loved it and gives them some perspective. The game away from LP was on the Cartersville HS field, which is also outstanding.
I don't understand the down side. You pay more for better facilities. People fly or drive hundreds of miles for Cooperstown. This experience is better imo and only 20-30 minutes away.
I don't think the profiles mean much at the younger ages. They didn't even have the radar guns set up for the early morning games. |
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BaseballMom6
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Posted - 03/18/2016 : 11:25:53
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It must be nice to have that unlimited checkbook. Please send the money tree my way! However, it isn't necessary for raising a teenager or any child for that matter. My teens manage just fine wearing reasonably priced clothing. Sure they'd love the expensive name brand items, and as parents we remind them that when they have a job they can decide for themselves how to spend it.
As for the cool factor of Lakepoint - it's not so cool in the heat of the summer. My kid has better memories of local tournaments where his team played well, then of a particular game at LP. He knows it's his teammates that make the memories good or bad, not the field.
On another string people spoke about what is wrong with our kids today is that Mommy/Daddy step in every time they don't get what they want whether it be playtime or wearing their hair long. This whole buying the "Cool Factor" teaches our kids to be superficial and does not teach them the value of money. My kid would rather play 6 games at 2 local tournaments than 2 games at LP/PG because it's the playing he wants and he understands that money can only stretch so far. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2016 : 15:51:01
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Originally posted by BaseballMom6
It must be nice to have that unlimited checkbook. Please send the money tree my way! However, it isn't necessary for raising a teenager or any child for that matter. My teens manage just fine wearing reasonably priced clothing. Sure they'd love the expensive name brand items, and as parents we remind them that when they have a job they can decide for themselves how to spend it.
As for the cool factor of Lakepoint - it's not so cool in the heat of the summer. My kid has better memories of local tournaments where his team played well, then of a particular game at LP. He knows it's his teammates that make the memories good or bad, not the field.
On another string people spoke about what is wrong with our kids today is that Mommy/Daddy step in every time they don't get what they want whether it be playtime or wearing their hair long. This whole buying the "Cool Factor" teaches our kids to be superficial and does not teach them the value of money. My kid would rather play 6 games at 2 local tournaments than 2 games at LP/PG because it's the playing he wants and he understands that money can only stretch so far.
Good grief. So you're saying your 12, 13, 14 yr old wouldn't think it's 'cool' to have a 'baseball profile' with some of his stats on it, to show his buddies or family members? And while yes, it's about the GAME and teammates (not JUST the field), apparently you've been blessed to have never played at some of the cow pastures we have... The CREATORS in the OF, or at home plate. The 3-5 INCHES of 'sand' on top of the playing surface... So yea, TOP NOTCH fields (turf or otherwise), is worth ~$25 - $50 more per tournament (1-day T/C runs around $275 vs. this PG costing $300) |
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BamaDad
188 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2016 : 21:06:00
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Originally posted by turntwo
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Originally posted by BaseballMom6
It must be nice to have that unlimited checkbook. Please send the money tree my way! However, it isn't necessary for raising a teenager or any child for that matter. My teens manage just fine wearing reasonably priced clothing. Sure they'd love the expensive name brand items, and as parents we remind them that when they have a job they can decide for themselves how to spend it.
As for the cool factor of Lakepoint - it's not so cool in the heat of the summer. My kid has better memories of local tournaments where his team played well, then of a particular game at LP. He knows it's his teammates that make the memories good or bad, not the field.
On another string people spoke about what is wrong with our kids today is that Mommy/Daddy step in every time they don't get what they want whether it be playtime or wearing their hair long. This whole buying the "Cool Factor" teaches our kids to be superficial and does not teach them the value of money. My kid would rather play 6 games at 2 local tournaments than 2 games at LP/PG because it's the playing he wants and he understands that money can only stretch so far.
Good grief. So you're saying your 12, 13, 14 yr old wouldn't think it's 'cool' to have a 'baseball profile' with some of his stats on it, to show his buddies or family members? And while yes, it's about the GAME and teammates (not JUST the field), apparently you've been blessed to have never played at some of the cow pastures we have... The CREATORS in the OF, or at home plate. The 3-5 INCHES of 'sand' on top of the playing surface... So yea, TOP NOTCH fields (turf or otherwise), is worth ~$25 - $50 more per tournament (1-day T/C runs around $275 vs. this PG costing $300)
This is pretty hilarious. The 1-Day, 2GG tourney at PG is $300. Similar 1-Day, 2GG tourneys at non-descript parks are $275-295. Anyone who doesn't think that it's worth $5-$25 more to play at the top youth baseball facility in GA, would probably choose a Chili's burger over one from Chops. The Chops burger is about 10% more but the quality and "cache" are in an entirely different league. The experience that the kids have after playing at LP is something that they talk about for a while. I see many kids wearing PG clothing that they purchased there while playing. How many kids are wearing clothing as a reminder of playing at 'XYZ' Park? |
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BaseballMom6
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Posted - 03/18/2016 : 23:13:05
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| Your right, if the cost is that close, I would be willing to pay the difference. But I was reading more into it. The PG tournaments my kid has played were weekends/week long, and mostly twice the cost of the local tournaments. Paying $1000 dollars so they can get 1 game at Lakepoint was not worth the expense. We spent most of our games on the same lousy fields that the local tourneys use, but we paid twice as much to do so. |
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Bob Balker
456 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2016 : 12:12:23
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| This is probably one of the most narcissistic (look it up) & materialistic topics I've ever read |
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BamaDad
188 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2016 : 13:06:21
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Originally posted by Bob Balker
This is probably one of the most narcissistic (look it up) & materialistic topics I've ever read
Don't get what's narcissistic or materialistic about the post. I can see if it cost twice as much or even 50% more to play at LP than at XYZ Park. However, when the difference is less than 10% for the experience of playing in an elite park, then it's almost a no-brainer. Notice I said "almost". That was for those who are against playing at LP no matter the cost differential. No one was bragging about playing at LP or even about having the "pockets" about being able to pay some astronomical price to play there. Quite the opposite. What I read is people commenting on how relative the cost of a 1-Day, 2GG tourney at LP is to a 1-Day, 2GG tourney at any other park. What's narcissistic or materialistic about that? |
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whits23
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Posted - 03/19/2016 : 17:42:14
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The time limit is a joke as if you have say 12=14 kids and 90 min for a game how many will you actually even get an AB for? You could bat full roster and maybe get thru 1 and a half times and if you are worried about PG Profile at 13u that is absurd. Put the parent ego away. Most scouts do not even look at profiles at any age. They come to the games if interested and no they are not surfing profiles to find kids they talk to coaches.
We played at the Chuck Today a great place. 2hour limits and 4GG i will take that deal any day. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2016 : 08:10:07
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Who said they were "worried" about a PG profile? If anyone is wanting their 9u-14u kid to play at PG to get a college scout/coach to look at them they are going to be disappointed. I look at the profile as a memento of playing in a PG tourney, longer lasting than any t-shirt, and an easily accessible way to track progress.
When my son talked to his grandmother, sister, uncle...etc in other states he got to say "You can see what I pitched in my game just by looking up my name!" I wish he had done PG events when he was younger because he asks things like how fast was I throwing when I was X old...sure I tell him it doesn't matter because as you grow you become faster, but he still wants to know. He can look back now and know that at age 12 he threw X mph, and was X tall. When he asks me in a few years how fast he threw when he was 12 I can say go look at your PG profile.
Listening to a 12u kid talk about the turf, and how he slid sooooo weird, and did you see those lights, and OMG we got to play a team from Texas! Yup, I'll pay the extra money once a season for him to have those experiences. After all, baseball is suppose to be a game our children are playing for fun. Stop reading into peoples intentions, or egos and just admit that for a kid it's fun! Yes you can play XYZ tourney for $500 two weekends in a row for the same cost to play one weekend at PG, and surrounding parks, but have you ever heard your kid in awe over XYZ's field/lights/or dugouts?
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2016 : 09:08:42
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| Pretty soon there will be T ball at LP and PG stats on 4U kids....$$$$$$$ |
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hitithere
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Posted - 03/21/2016 : 10:12:56
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Different strokes for different folks. Everyone's got an opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
Just like politics, people are going to believe what they believe and nothing you can say will convince them otherwise.
I think we can stick a fork in this thread. |
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BamaDad
188 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2016 : 10:56:38
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| If you don't like the setup at LP, fine. If you don't think it's worth it for a kid to play at a 'professional-type' facility even though the price differential is sometimes less than 10%, fine. Buy why disparage those of us who are happy to extend this experience to our kids and aren't trying to rub anyone else's nose in it. My son was in awe the first time we drove into LP at dawn and the LED lights were on. He was further amazed by the turf fields and how much faster he was able to run on them. The huge scoreboards were the icing on the cake especially when it showed their team name with a winning score. If you are happy only playing at 'XYZ' Field, then that's cool. But the times that our team get to play at LP is the kids talk about the week of practice leading up to the tournament. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2016 : 11:07:19
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
Pretty soon there will be T ball at LP and PG stats on 4U kids....$$$$$$$
This is a JOKE, repeat, this is a JOKE...but thought it was worth re-posting based on Critical Mass's comment :- )
The industry leader in showcasing and scouting of the nations top 7-11 year olds announced today a new organization for tracking and following the most critical talent pool for baseball available; kids aged 2-6 years. “After extensive studies on MLB players we have found a direct correlation between high performance baseball skills and the performance of kids games such as; duck duck goose, four square, and ring around the posey” “We have found that kids that excel in hand eye coordination games that we used to think were for fun and entertainment for our kids actually translate into high performance baseball skills at the major league level” said program director Ferris Wheeler.
‘Our research has shown that if we can track toddler’s performance and help them improve their performance in kids games then they will be able to translate these skills directly to the baseball field, abet a few years later” We have found that for instance that the Hockey Pokey is a perfect warm up and cool activity, “you can warm up and cool down by shaking it all around” said Dr. I. Ball director of physical programs for PGT.
Although tailored and directed toward identifying the top 200 Toddlers in the United States this program is by no means meant to be exclusionary. “We think all kids need to participate in dodgeball and Jacks” said Dan Saul Knight Western Director for PGT.
Said Eastern Region Director Ginger Vitus “we will be sure to make sure that there will be opportunities for kids of all skill levels to participate” “though performance testing we can easily identify the top 200 toddlers without upsetting the play yard” she added.
I.P. Daily program developer said “we will begin introductory showcases starting next week in Florida” we will initially focus the program on the South East and then we plan on actively introducing this program to the rest of the county”
Filling out the PGT staff will be Hy Ball, Director of Hockey Pokey, Iona Firsby, Director of duck duck goose, Lois Price, Director of Jacks, Noah Lott, Director of doggy where’s your bone, Sam Manilla, Director of red light green light, and finally Sum Yung Guy, Director of Marbles.
Once successful in the South East PGT plans on opening toddler development and testing centers across the United States. “We think that that this program will dovetail perfectly with Gymboree where kids were having fun, but not developing the necessary skills to make them rich and famous like we all want our kids to be” said National PGT spokesperson Constance Noring. |
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NF1974
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Posted - 03/21/2016 : 15:51:19
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2016 : 21:12:04
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| I recall thinking a few years ago when LP was opened and son was 16...man, we are sure going to miss playing at LP, alot. What times we could've had enjoying that park and those experiences when he was 9,10 and up? We played there several times and had good memories...experiences, wins losses and that's whats it about. Frankly though, i am fine with my FOMO complex and LP....we had a good run and now the youth can take it to the next level. I hope everyone gets a chance to play there. My son put up 94 and 95 there a few times but i think the guy behind the backstop felt like those were adrenaline pitches....regardless, he had a few big games there and plenty games where the guns were out and he loved it. I hope all kids can experience that and play there, it is an awesome stage and cool place to play baseball. |
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