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DecaturDad
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 Posted - 08/13/2015 : 10:11:46
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Congrats Decaturdad...it is so awesome that your son has some options and that his talent was recognized, I'm sure that grade had to put your mind at ease a bit!
Can you think of anything in particular that made him stand out
I don't want this to be about my son, but I would like to share some general thoughts on what I have learned.
Be 100% ready. When we did the showcase, my son had just come off an injury. Although he played well, he did not play as well as he could have if he had been at his full potential.
Be a little pushy. I found that the team coaches really don't know the kids. How would they? They show up the first morning with a roster. My son went as a catcher. They had him playing first and third a lot. That helped. But my son did have to push to get enough time behind the plate. I don't really blame anyone. That is what happens when you do show cases.
Practice running the 60. This is not the same as base running, so most kids never practice it. We did not and it showed in his time.
Realize that BP on the field is not the same as a game. Many kids struggled with the slower pitches. I think they are looking at form more then results (My opinion.)
And finally, just relax. Many kids just try to hard. You don't need to hit one out. You just need to hit well. (and yes. As a batter you will face some great pitching and some not so great pitching.)
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leftfielddad
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Posted - 08/13/2015 : 10:57:40
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| Just my $.02. There are a lot of really good D2 and D3 schools that have good baseball and excellent academics and people do not want to consider them. Maybe instead of stressing out on not getting looks by D1 schools, start looking at D2 and D3 schools that will offer baseball and great education? In other words, have a Plan B. |
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billbclk
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Posted - 08/13/2015 : 17:02:48
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At the risk of repeating what has been said already (I am not going to read the entire thread). In my opinion you might want to concentrate on going to showcases at the schools where your son wants to attend and/or to a school close to that school where wants to go. Do that showcase and see if your perspective team will be attending that showcase. Perhaps another team in that schools conference is having a show case and other schools in the conference will attend as well. Back when my son was in this position we went to a VMI showcase and 8 other schools in the area attended.
Also, consider that if you son is dead set on going to a power conference school and he does not have power conference skills or the school is in a cycle that they have enough 2Bs on the roster and your son is a 2B, it's not going to happen. However, if he wants to major in "Pick a Major" and school "Pick a School" has a good program for that major and they happen to have a need for his position and they are a D3 program then for God sakes go D3 play good ball, get your education and be happy. |
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baseballscoutz
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Posted - 08/18/2015 : 16:34:22
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We actually had the Recruiting Coordinator of 40 Schools attending. Not some Grad Assistant or volunteer. We have been in the business since 1998. There is no problem listing exactly who attend. The reports are put together by MLB Scouts who are paid to evaluate each player on their roster. So, everything is legit not some information from an intern but by MLB Full Time Scouts. We cannot not help that a kid throws no strikes. We cannot pitch the ball for them or that a kid strikes out 3 times. There will be at least 20 kids sign NCAA DI scholarships that attended this event. last year 47 we have a complete list for those interested. The top pitcher at the event threw 91 MPH 10 pitchers threw 88 plus. So not everybody threw 79 with no strikes. One runner ran 6.35.
Pick up the phone call any coach in the State of Georgia and he will endorse the event. Every school in this State has signed at least 1 player from this event over the last four years. UGA 7, Georgia Southern 10, Ga Tech 4, Georgia State 5, Kennesaw State 9 and Mercer 11 over last four years so something good must come from the event after all. |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 09:23:02
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Originally posted by baseballscoutz
We actually had the Recruiting Coordinator of 40 Schools attending. Not some Grad Assistant or volunteer. We have been in the business since 1998. There is no problem listing exactly who attend. The reports are put together by MLB Scouts who are paid to evaluate each player on their roster. So, everything is legit not some information from an intern but by MLB Full Time Scouts. We cannot not help that a kid throws no strikes. We cannot pitch the ball for them or that a kid strikes out 3 times. There will be at least 20 kids sign NCAA DI scholarships that attended this event. last year 47 we have a complete list for those interested. The top pitcher at the event threw 91 MPH 10 pitchers threw 88 plus. So not everybody threw 79 with no strikes. One runner ran 6.35.
Pick up the phone call any coach in the State of Georgia and he will endorse the event. Every school in this State has signed at least 1 player from this event over the last four years. UGA 7, Georgia Southern 10, Ga Tech 4, Georgia State 5, Kennesaw State 9 and Mercer 11 over last four years so something good must come from the event after all.
I didn't have a kid at that event baseballscoutz, but I think the majority of the complaints was the caliber of kid allowed to be IN that event. What was your vetting process to be allowed to participate in this event, or was it anyone that had money could enter?
And for that money what kind of evaluation did these players receive...it appears nothing so far, when can they expect to see the evaluation? Or do they not get one? |
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delanceyj
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 10:39:58
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While I agree with some of the questionable talent out there, I have to say that my son wasn't at his best either. My biggest complaint was being told only 200 players, to find out there was over 250. That and the guy starting the stop watch at the drop of the hand instead of on the players first movement. My son also got a terrible jump and was clocked at 7.8, when he's consistently around 7.2.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket, I'm glad my son got this experience, although he didn't play great, he feels like he was on par with the better players there. We are doing the PG underclass showcase coming up, hopefully he's on his game there. |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 10:48:30
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Personally, as I have stated earlier, I don't think it is ANY showcase host's responsibility to verify the ability of their participants. The showcase host, Baseballscoutz in this case, provides a service. The service is to put on an event in which scouts and recruiters will be available to see baseball players. If the showcase host has scouts and recruiters at the event, and it sounds like Baseballscoutz did, they did their job. Of course assuming they gave the kids a chance to show their skills, which it sounds like BaseballScoutz did. If a family is willing to pay to go to that event, they are free to do that. If it is not worth their time to go, the family should make the decision not to go. I really don't think it is the showcase's job to filter out kids. They provide a venue for players to play in front of baseball people and those baseball people filter out the talent they do or don't want to play in their program. If mom and dad have an inflated view of their son's abilities, that is not the showcase's fault. They will find out soon enough when they are getting no interest from any schools out there.
I went to the baseballscoutz.com website and they are, in fact, putting profiles and evaluations up there for players. I didn't see any grades yet, but I did see some write ups on the kids they have gotten to. It does take some time to do that and it seems to me they are making progress. Personally, it seems to me this is a worthwhile event. They have some VERY good programs attending, better than most showcases quite frankly. If your kid is any good, I would consider this event. Kind of wish my son had gone. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 11:30:05
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Originally posted by bballman
Personally, as I have stated earlier, I don't think it is ANY showcase host's responsibility to verify the ability of their participants. The showcase host, Baseballscoutz in this case, provides a service. The service is to put on an event in which scouts and recruiters will be available to see baseball players. If the showcase host has scouts and recruiters at the event, and it sounds like Baseballscoutz did, they did their job. Of course assuming they gave the kids a chance to show their skills, which it sounds like BaseballScoutz did. If a family is willing to pay to go to that event, they are free to do that. If it is not worth their time to go, the family should make the decision not to go. I really don't think it is the showcase's job to filter out kids. They provide a venue for players to play in front of baseball people and those baseball people filter out the talent they do or don't want to play in their program. If mom and dad have an inflated view of their son's abilities, that is not the showcase's fault. They will find out soon enough when they are getting no interest from any schools out there.
I went to the baseballscoutz.com website and they are, in fact, putting profiles and evaluations up there for players. I didn't see any grades yet, but I did see some write ups on the kids they have gotten to. It does take some time to do that and it seems to me they are making progress. Personally, it seems to me this is a worthwhile event. They have some VERY good programs attending, better than most showcases quite frankly. If your kid is any good, I would consider this event. Kind of wish my son had gone.
I'm not understanding bballman. From all accounts this showcase was stacked with players that weren't having their best days. But here are my two questions:
1. If you are there to display your hitting and pitchers aren't throwing strikes what can that batter do? Shouldn't a batter have some level of confidence he is going to be pitched to so he can show his stuff?
2. If you are a High Level College Recruiter is it wise to spend a day watching players that didn't have to pass any type of bar to be admitted? That doesn't make sense. Isn't that like paying for a consultation with a well renowned stock broker to invest $1,000, when they are use to dealing with 1 million dollar minimums? |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 14:35:34
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
I'm not understanding bballman. From all accounts this showcase was stacked with players that weren't having their best days. But here are my two questions:
1. If you are there to display your hitting and pitchers aren't throwing strikes what can that batter do? Shouldn't a batter have some level of confidence he is going to be pitched to so he can show his stuff?
2. If you are a High Level College Recruiter is it wise to spend a day watching players that didn't have to pass any type of bar to be admitted? That doesn't make sense. Isn't that like paying for a consultation with a well renowned stock broker to invest $1,000, when they are use to dealing with 1 million dollar minimums?
Question 1. - Batters have the opportunity to do this during the BP portion of the showcase, as well as during the games. Scouts are looking for tools more than performance. They can see that during things other than an in game at bat.
Question 2. - If the scouts and recruiters don't like what they see, they will stop coming. Baseballscoutz has been around for a long time (I believe they said 1998). If the quality of players didn't show up, then the schools and MLB scouts would have stopped coming long ago. That part of the market will take care of itself. And there is no way a showcase organization can pay these guys enough to make it worth their while to come out there for 2 days without the potential to pick up a player or two.
Any event these scouts and recruiters go to have players that shouldn't be there. Whether it's a BaseballScoutz event, a PBR event or even a PG event. These guys are used to that. They aren't looking to recruit every player that comes to a showcase event. They are looking for one or two players that fit into their program. If they find one guy out of the 250 that showed up, they are happy. If you go to some of the PG tournament games, you will see some horrible teams play, that had no idea what they were getting themselves into. You may get a team from Iowa that comes to Georgia after blowing out other teams in their town, only to find some of the best players in the country at PG. It happens everywhere and always will.
Besides, how is a showcase director supposed to filter kids out? What if they've never been to a showcase before with a public profile? What if all they ever did was play for their HS or in Triple Crown tournaments? How is a showcase director supposed to verify if they are any good or not? That's not his job. His job is to get players to show up and get scouts/recruiters to show up. If the players don't get the appropriate people in attendance, they will stop coming. If the scouts/recruiters don't get the appropriate number of good players showing up, they will stop coming.
Like I said earlier, Baseballscoutz has been doing this for 15 years. And they still have a TON of good schools as well as MLB scouts coming out to see the kids play. They must be doing something right... |
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Renegade44
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 15:04:55
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| Little of this makes sense. But yet it keeps morphing into bigger and bigger money spent for exposure. Any exposure. Just promise me exposure. Market me some exposure. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 15:17:10
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When you get wording like this...well...
Your Ticket has been punched. You have officially been invited to one of the most prestigious events in the South. This is an invitation only event with the best 200 players in the 2016, 2017 and 2018 Classes attending. You will see from our list below that nearly every college team in Georgia will be represented along with schools from other states and pro scouts. Over 200 former attendees have gone on to sign college baseball scholarships. Others have been drafted as high as the 2nd round. We hope that your the next great player to take part in this extravaganza. There will be 40 plus scouts on hand each day. We hope to see you at the Georgia All Star Games.
Since 2012, 200 past participants have signed NCAA, NJCAA or NAIA Scholarships!
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...nah. That's NOT gonna happen! |
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delanceyj
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 15:19:05
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I think the talent there has been sorely understated. There were some good ball players there. Yes, there were also some there that looked like all they have ever played is rec ball. As far as pitchers not throwing strikes, I can only speak for the 2 games my son played in, but there were more strikeouts than walks. I just think there were too many kids there. I would like to see them cut it down some in the future.
In two 8 inning games, My son got 6 total defensive innings at SS, and 4 total at bats. Hard to stand out too much with those reps. He did well during BP, and I feel he will grade out well in everything else except for his 60 time, which he's on record at other showcases with better times. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 15:21:16
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While I would normally agree, they SHOULDN'T use wording like this...
VERY SLIMY TACTICS.
Your Ticket has been punched. You have officially been invited to one of the most prestigious events in the South. This is an invitation only event with the best 200 players in the 2016, 2017 and 2018 Classes attending. You will see from our list below that nearly every college team in Georgia will be represented along with schools from other states and pro scouts. Over 200 former attendees have gone on to sign college baseball scholarships. Others have been drafted as high as the 2nd round. We hope that your the next great player to take part in this extravaganza. There will be 40 plus scouts on hand each day. We hope to see you at the Georgia All Star Games.
Since 2012, 200 past participants have signed NCAA, NJCAA or NAIA Scholarships!
TWO HUNDRED??? IN THREE YEARS??? Seriouslt. I thought more than 20 good players might show up.
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Originally posted by bballman
Personally, as I have stated earlier, I don't think it is ANY showcase host's responsibility to verify the ability of their participants. The showcase host, Baseballscoutz in this case, provides a service. The service is to put on an event in which scouts and recruiters will be available to see baseball players. If the showcase host has scouts and recruiters at the event, and it sounds like Baseballscoutz did, they did their job. Of course assuming they gave the kids a chance to show their skills, which it sounds like BaseballScoutz did. If a family is willing to pay to go to that event, they are free to do that. If it is not worth their time to go, the family should make the decision not to go. I really don't think it is the showcase's job to filter out kids. They provide a venue for players to play in front of baseball people and those baseball people filter out the talent they do or don't want to play in their program. If mom and dad have an inflated view of their son's abilities, that is not the showcase's fault. They will find out soon enough when they are getting no interest from any schools out there.
I went to the baseballscoutz.com website and they are, in fact, putting profiles and evaluations up there for players. I didn't see any grades yet, but I did see some write ups on the kids they have gotten to. It does take some time to do that and it seems to me they are making progress. Personally, it seems to me this is a worthwhile event. They have some VERY good programs attending, better than most showcases quite frankly. If your kid is any good, I would consider this event. Kind of wish my son had gone.
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 15:32:28
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Rippit,
But it just gets better.....why were the college recruiters there? Was it the lure or promise of access to the email database for even more Camp related marketing? Is your inbox and mail now going to be flooded with college camp invites? The mass cattle call type camps disguised as semi-personal invites.
The marketing, oh god the marketing of this baseball world is incredible. |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 16:01:51
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Originally posted by rippit
TWO HUNDRED??? IN THREE YEARS??? Seriouslt. I thought more than 20 good players might show up.
How many of the 200 had offers PREVIOUS to this showcase? And were just using said showcase to attempt to increase their draft 'stock'? |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 16:12:19
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Guess what guys? I get emails everyday wanting to sell me something. I get mail everyday from people wanting to sell me something. I give them a quick glance and throw them away!! There is nothing wrong with selling a service. If you want to question the validity of what they claim, call them on it and sue them. Do you really think Baseballscoutz is lying about how many past participants have played college ball? If so, report them to the Better Business Bureau. Just have proof that your claims are valid and their numbers are completely fabricated.
Seriously, if you don't want to go to a showcase, don't go. If you are considering it, do your homework and find out if they are legitimate or not. I honestly think Baseballscoutz did what they claimed to do. Put your son in front of a TON of scouts and recruiters. If your player didn't get recruited, that's not Baseballscoutz's fault. If he didn't get recruited, it's because he didn't impress any of the scouts/recruiters there. That's a fact. If you ask me, the more bad players there, the better for the good players. It would help them stand out even more!!
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 19:20:55
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Originally posted by bballman
I honestly think Baseballscoutz did what they claimed to do. Put your son in front of a TON of scouts and recruiters. If your player didn't get recruited, that's not Baseballscoutz's fault. If he didn't get recruited, it's because he didn't impress any of the scouts/recruiters there. That's a fact. If you ask me, the more bad players there, the better for the good players. It would help them stand out even more!!
This I can agree with. Now, not being there I can't say whether all scouts were there the whole time, or even engaged watching (or were they texting, playing candy crush, looking at Tinder or Facebook?)... But if they were watching, engaged, then it WAS ultimately up to the boys to show out. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 20:32:30
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I will refer BACK to the original question:
What is the point of a scouting event when pitchers can't throw strikes and kids don't get to play their primary positions? What are the scouts seeing?
Nobody has answered the question. |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2015 : 22:27:54
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I think I answered that in my original response. Position players are evaluated in the pre game exercises. They are evaluated during the BP portion, the taking ground balls in the infield portion and fly balls in the outfield portion. Their velocities are measured there. They are evaluated during their 60 yd dashes. All these things allow the evaluators to see the athleticism and raw tools of the players. The games will add some additional information, but the evaluators already know who they want to look at further by the time the initial exercises are done. The games also give the evaluators time to evaluate the pitchers and check their velocity and movement.
These guys have seen thousands and thousands of players. They can tell pretty quickly who is a player that may fit their program and who will not. They don't need to see a hitter go 4 for 4 or 0 for 4 in a game. They can tell by the player's athleticism and their metrics from the early part of the showcase. Doesn't matter what position they are playing, the kid either has it or he doesn't. And that determination is made pretty quickly. The vast majority of time, a player will play somewhere different in college than they played in HS anyway. They are looking at tools, not a specific position.
Most of the time when a scout/recruiter identifies a potential prospect, they will want to see him at least one more time anyway. Usually more than once. And it is at that time a player can show his skills at his preferred position. So, regardless of what you think, the showcases are worthwhile. The scouts/recruiters have had the opportunity to see what they need and have decided who they may want to pursue and follow and hopefully, eventually make an offer to.
Not every kid who attends a showcase will generate interest. If a kid goes up on the mound and walks 5 guys in a row, he's probably not going to get recruited - unless he's throwing 95. Then it doesn't matter where he throws it because the coach figures he can fix that. And 95 is worth the risk. The batter's mechanics, contact and power has already been evaluated and the walk isn't going to hurt him. Like I said, for position guys, a determination has already been made prior to the games.
Hope that helps. |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/19/2015 : 23:21:19
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Just another thought after I went back and re read some of this thread. Yes, college camps are good to go to if you are interested in a particular school. But, be prepared. You will see some of the same things you saw at this event. There are delusional parents and kids who sign up for college camps as well. I'm thinking about one in particular that my son went to. There were probably 100 kids there. I think the coaches talked to 2, maybe 3 of them. This was for a D2 school. Lots of kids there who just didn't belong.
Look, there are LOTS of kids who would LOVE to play college baseball. Some will, more won't. Some we will look at and think they are good ball players, some we will look at and think - what are they thinking?? However, who are we to judge and squelch someone's dreams? As long as a player wants to keep playing and their parents are willing to support that goal, why shouldn't they have the opportunity to do that? At some point they will realize college ball is not in the cards for them. They will find that out when no one wants them. But, what if someone does want them?
I've learned during my 3 years of watching college ball that there is probably a place for almost everyone to play. I think most don't realize the disparity in talent levels of college baseball programs. Some are very, very good. Some are, quite frankly, horrible. But, it is college baseball. My son plays for a pretty good D2 team. Been ranked in the top 25 all 3 years he has played there. Even as high as #3. They have played some D2 teams over the years that they have just destroyed. I'm talking scores like 26-0, 23-1, 25-2 type scores. No, I'm not making that up. Even though the guys on those teams are not near as good as some, they are still living their dream. Another for instance. My son's team hit 74 HRs as a team last year. A family friend's son plays on a D3 team that hit 3 - yes, 3 all season long, as a team. So, what I'm saying is, every kid deserves a chance. Who is the showcase organization to turn them away? They might not be very good, but the market will tell them that. They might not be very good in our eyes, but someone may like them, who knows? I think we should all be a little more understanding. After all, who are we to tell someone to quit dreaming their dreams? |
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Renegade44
211 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 05:32:57
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Well then....If that's the case then why didn't the advertising say that upfront?
Your Ticket has been punched. (If you run a near 7.0 or under 60) You have officially been invited to one of the most prestigious events in the South. (Pitchers you better be 6'4 or throw near 90 gas) This is an invitation only event with the best 200 players in the 2016, 2017 and 2018 Classes attending. (we set the expectations high. Don't come if you don't measure up on the measurables. Velo 90, size 6+, speed 7.0 cutoff, pure hitting bp fundamentals) You will see from our list below that nearly every college team in Georgia will be represented along with schools from other states and pro scouts. Over 200 former attendees (all with most of the above measurables)have gone on to sign college baseball scholarships. Others (with all of the above measurables) have been drafted as high as the 2nd round. We hope that your the next great player to take part in this extravaganza. (please ensure your player is close to the measurables or has one single outstanding tool) There will be 40 plus scouts on hand each day. (looking at the ones who do) We hope to see you at the Georgia All Star Games.
Anything less is just a mass cattle call for anybody with a few hundred dollars to spend and a dream to hope. For X dollars you can go play catch with the select few who have the measurables the scouts are looking for.
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LvilleYankees
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 06:40:20
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I agree with bballman, the 60, BP, if/of velocity is what they look at. Friday night was where the position players were looked at. I can tell you my son didn't do anythig in the games because the
Pitchers didn't throw strikes so he walked twice with the bases loaded. He didn't make the 1st or 2ND all star teams. But he did really well Friday night and got some interest from a D1 school. You have to been scene and also it's a numbers game. There were plenty of good kids their along with the bad ones. Every kid has their dream to play so let them go after it even if it doesn't happen. Life is short and we all love our kids. So we let them reach that point where they know they don't have it. So let them dream as most of us did at their age.
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 08:57:20
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The batter's mechanics, contact and power has already been evaluated and the walk isn't going to hurt him. Like I said, for position guys, a determination has already been made prior to the games.
So, let me get this straight. It's entirely possible that a players hitting/batting scores are 100% attributed to the 60mph BP he participated in rather than him up at the plate trying to hit an 85+mph ball, or a curve, or a ball specifically thrown so as to not be hit? So really they are just looking at a players swing not if he can actually hit a real pitch? |
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delanceyj
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 09:30:59
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rippit
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 09:55:20
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Seriously folks - if you weren't there - you don't know how poorly this was run.
IF/OF wasn't done Friday night. It was done for 30 minutes prior to your teams first game with both teams in that game participating. Like I said earlier, each kid got 1-2 balls hit to them period. There may or may not have been a gun on the throw. There was ONE kid - in a uniform with a clipboard writing down what I can only assume was velocity. If you had the 8am game, scouts were just trickling in.
For this reason, there was no way for them to have been given a list of who could throw or field whatever in time for them to "look" at certain players.
As to Friday night, there was some bat speed testing going on in the hitting building. Each player got 5 swings then 5 more swings during BP. The scouts were in the 1B dugout. When a certain team was running 60s, they would wander over in their pack of 20, not 40, to observe. Wasted walk in my opinion if you are going to be given a list of who did what times. You can't remember 250 faces.
So, back to BP. 20 guys, not 40 as BS has indicated - nor can anyone prove they were ALL RCs, were sitting in the dugout grading swings. Okay cool. So we have the 60, 10 swings and bat speed tests on Friday night.
And you guys are going RANK players based on this. Seems simple enough. So where are the rest of the rankings? I'd love to see what you say about my son's bat speed (which another place said topped out at 99 in May), his swing, and I already know his 60 time.
He's not a pitcher, he's a 2016, so it seems to me that nobody cares at this point about how he fields and throws a baseball which is a big part of the game (hardly anyone was there to see it and I have yet to see any feedback that his results were documented). Size? Check. Grades. Check. Experience? Check, Baseball IQ? Check.
We've been to several camps where the feedback was immediate. I don't believe this organization is on the up and up as they are failing miserably on following through with anything at this point for over 200 kids from just ONE of their camps. We've already had several other emails trying to get us to other camps they are running. So again, TWO HUNDRED scouted and found from just THEIR deal?
NO.
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Someone please explain it to me
