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hshuler
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 Posted - 08/02/2012 : 11:39:43
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What's your opinion of how these changes will affect the game, if at all?
There are three (3) major roster rule changes that take effect on August 1,2012. Each is outlined below.
The first and foremost change is that online rosters are now required 12 months of the year. This new rule will greatly ease reclassification because we will now be able to include games played during the fall into the process. This does not cause any change on the team's part as rosters still will not begin to freeze until April 1st. It does however require teams classified as Single-A to actually have true Single-A players playing for them in the fall, Double-A teams to actually have true Double-A players playing for them and Triple-A teams to have true Triple-A players playing for them.
The second change addresses "drop down" players. A drop down player is easily defined as any player frozen at any time to a team of higher classification the prior season regardless of age division. The big deal with this is a drop down player can only play one (1) classification below his highest frozen classification the previous season. In other words, as an example, no longer can a Double-A team add a player from a Major team the previous season or a Single-A team add a AAA player. In addition, no team can roster more than three (3) drop down players. Any team that adds more than three (3) drop down players to their roster or adds any drop down player that has dropped more than one classification will be automatically
reclassified up AND will remain reclassified up even if they drop the
suspect player(s).
The third big change could be construed as confusing but in reality it is not. Simply stated, no player at any time can appear on more than one (1)online roster (frozen or unfrozen...it does not matter) in any age division. This is being incorporated into the rules for several reasons but none more important than helping to control players from hoping team to team, weekend after weekend, while the player's parents search out the perceived greenest pasture. This practice lends to "Sports Burnout", a serious epidemic across
America that USSSA is taking a solid stance against. This new rule will require coaches to add players on Fridays and drop them on Sunday evenings or Monday mornings and that's OK. Someone has to try and protect these young athletes!!!
The 2013 Rulebook has been loaded on the Georgia USSSA Baseball state web site, www.gausssabaseball.com and is available now for download. |
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RACGOFAR
208 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 15:55:31
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| The drop down rule makes no sense in the fall when teams often combine rosters since many are playing football. With few exceptions, every team at every level has a bell curve of player talent that usually ranges beyond and below the team's classification. There are tons of AA teams with 1-2 kids that can play AAA/Major, and we all know that there is really not much difference between the top 10 AAA teams and the bottom 10 Major teams in any given age group. Same for AA and AAA. I can see this rule might help in the spring, but not in the fall when the total talent pool that is actually competing is diminished by football. adding 2-3 drop down players may be the only way for some teams to field a fall team. |
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Baseball12x
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Posted - 08/02/2012 : 16:59:42
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| I hope this only pertains to spring/summer ball and not fall ball. As pointed out, football takes many athletes away and it is tough to form a solid fall team, so mending 2 or more teams together (sometimes of different classifications) is necessary to form a team. No reason to upgrade a team to a higher classification in the spring just becuase they mend with a hight classified team for 4-5 tournaments in the fall and then the players go back to their respective teams. Doesnt sound right, hopefully this drop down rule is not in order for fall teams. Could someone from USSSA respond? |
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4bagger
131 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 17:34:07
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1. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will be hurt like RACGOFAR detailed.
2. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will be hurt like RACGOFAR detailed.
3. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will just add on Thursday nights and drop on Monday mornings. All this rule does is lead to carpel tunnel syndrome. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 20:37:55
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Originally posted by 4bagger
1. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will be hurt like RACGOFAR detailed.
2. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will be hurt like RACGOFAR detailed.
3. As evidenced by several teams this past season, cheaters will work around it. Honest teams will just add on Thursday nights and drop on Monday mornings. All this rule does is lead to carpel tunnel syndrome.
I need a LIKE button for this post'nn |
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Peanutsr
171 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2012 : 21:20:52
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There is a simple solution.
Don't play USSSA. |
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sward
369 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 00:06:10
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Unfortunately, players in FL, TX, CA, AR tend to play more year-round baseball. Maybe this will help GA catch up. Not saying kids need to quit FB (I was a 2 sport athlete)...just might help keep more guys active in BB during the Fall.
I like the new rules.
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Originally posted by RACGOFAR
The drop down rule makes no sense in the fall when teams often combine rosters since many are playing football. With few exceptions, every team at every level has a bell curve of player talent that usually ranges beyond and below the team's classification. There are tons of AA teams with 1-2 kids that can play AAA/Major, and we all know that there is really not much difference between the top 10 AAA teams and the bottom 10 Major teams in any given age group. Same for AA and AAA. I can see this rule might help in the spring, but not in the fall when the total talent pool that is actually competing is diminished by football. adding 2-3 drop down players may be the only way for some teams to field a fall team.
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 10:34:12
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Originally posted by Peanutsr
There is a simple solution.
Don't play USSSA.
Beat me to it. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 11:19:44
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Originally posted by AllStar
quote:
Originally posted by Peanutsr
There is a simple solution.
Don't play USSSA.
Beat me to it.
That's a really easy comment to make living in and near metro Atlanta. If you live in an outlying area, your tournament choices become much more limited and you find that the bulk of tourneys are USSSA.
In the end, it looks like most of these changes are designed to prevent team jumping as well as lower classified teams from stacking up with higher classified ringers for tournaments. |
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 08/03/2012 : 11:20:35
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| I agree... Easiest thing to do is not play USSSA... The good thing about rule number three is if you get your roster in early, nobody will be able to snake your players and try to keep them if they play a tournament or two. Had a couple kids who didnt play JV last year and picked up with a team to just play a few tourneys til travel got started, the other coach conveniently didnt release them in hopes that he could keep them for the rest of the year. They still came back home and we just avoided USSSA and played in other tournaments. |
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spike
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Posted - 08/03/2012 : 17:12:12
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| Heres an idea OK TO ADD PLAYERS ANY TIME TO HELP IN THE FALL AS LONG AS THEY ARE "DROP UP" PLAYERS INSTEAD OF "DROP DOWN" PLAYERS. You know just to help during football to field a team. Major team can add all AA players they need just to help the kids that are not playing football get some reps in :).... |
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spike
41 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2012 : 13:59:28
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| no takers on my " Drop Up" idea....interesting |
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ramman999
241 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2012 : 14:21:40
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Someone help me with this one..
My son was last rostered at Major level, however we had him released from the roster prior to the spring season, therefore was never on a "frozen" roster last season.
Technically, the last roster he would have appeared "frozen" on was the year prior, which was same team, classified as AAA.
Does this rule revert back to the last time he was frozen on a roster, or the last roster he was on? - Meaning - he can only play AAA or Major, or can play AA through Major..Probably something important to know attending tryouts and what not, no? |
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tomsgal
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Posted - 08/06/2012 : 16:36:53
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| Ramman999 - I'm curious about something... if your son played Major last season and AAA the year before, why would you want him on a AA team for the 2012-13 season? |
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ramman999
241 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2012 : 22:11:10
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Not that I am looking AA or that there is anything wrong with that, but for argument sake say his middle school feeder team is classified as AA.. He can't play for them. That was my point
And besides, the classifications are a joke anyway. A strong AA team is competitive with AAA, as is a strong AAA competitive with Major level teams. |
Edited by - ramman999 on 08/06/2012 22:22:54 |
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tomball
71 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2012 : 12:48:41
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| I agree with those who do not like the rule change(s). I have a relative who was on a major team last year but was far from a major player. The previous team no longer exists and he will have a hard time finding a team to play for that is nearby thus being able to practice and afford. This can hurt the kids as well. I wonder if for instance he plays down to AA thus forcing their team to bump up to AAA, can they still appeal after a few tournaments to go back down? |
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tomsgal
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Posted - 08/07/2012 : 14:36:50
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| Thanks for clarifying! I can see how this new rule change can have an adverse effect on some kids. Now parents have an extra stresser to consider. How will coaches handle this new rule? Will they even take these issues into consideration when forming a team? |
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2seamer
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Posted - 08/26/2012 : 22:36:07
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The third big change could be construed as confusing but in reality it is not. Simply stated, no player at any time can appear on more than one (1)online roster (frozen or unfrozen...it does not matter) in any age division.
Does this mean our children can't be rostered with two teams in two different states? Or is this rule just for GA Utrip? This could be a hardship for parents like me who often travel to two states bringing my homeschooled child in tow. That's the only way he can get enough AB's to make competitive baseball worthwhile. It's tough being the 12th player as it is. LOL |
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ramman999
241 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 08:39:07
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@2 seamer - just means the coaches would each have to add and remove for the weekends he played with that particular team. Most teams pick up players to fill out fall rosters anyway with football - it just means a coach can't leave the player on his roster for the entire fall if the kid isn't playing with them full time
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 18:57:26
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| The new rules arent being enforced or followed yet it looks like, must not be enforcing in fall. There is one 11aa team with 8 drop down players on roster from Major and AAA teams. Was also Major drop down from SP last season pitching in AA tourney is past w/e. |
Edited by - Mad1 on 08/27/2012 19:48:18 |
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spike
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Posted - 08/27/2012 : 20:24:02
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| Ok help my understanding how come no one is interested in drop up players....AAA players with oportunity to play up in the fall may actually find a diamond in the rough... great oportunity for AAA players to step up for parents to see the difference...seems only negative comments are from teams wanting to add drop down players to win or be more competitave in fall to give exhisting parents false sense of goodness to keep current kids. I dont understand if a team just needs players to pick up because of football then pick them up from lower level easy for coaches to let kid go after because "they are not quite ready" Why is there such a debate for lower level teams to add upper level players besides the obvious...needless to say very interesting posts just not sure what the intent is of those who disagree. |
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legends7
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Posted - 08/27/2012 : 21:57:05
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| What about if you have a player who is played up on 10aa team past season and at end of season the player plays one tournament with 9 major team before rule was put in and now the team has to play 11aaa this season. The player has been on that same team since 8cp. Playing up each year. I understand some will say why play aa if he can play major at own age and to answer that the coaching is good and he is learning more than the major team he played on is. |
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Newbie BB Mom
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Posted - 09/20/2012 : 08:44:04
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| I was under the impression that under the new rules if a team had more than 3 players who played on a major-level team last year, the team was automatically classified as a major-level team this year. Is this correct? I've seen at least one new team with a roster of 5 major level players that is classified as AAA. Do I have the rule wrong? |
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spliter
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Posted - 09/20/2012 : 10:00:51
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I know this happened last yr. A team had three kids that played Major that joined a AAA team. USSSA moved them to Major. They appealed to USSSA to be put back in AAA. This was the right thing to do because they were still not a top team in AAA. Several Major teams will tell you that all their players are not Major players they just made the mistake of getting on a Major team. They had a good tryout but never performed. It also can depend on who are the Major players. I think I know the team that you talk about and based on the players they are better off in AAA. Majors is a different animal for the few. Some realize Majors is business and want to go back to fun. USSSA has some wriggle room. A true Major does not want to play AAA.
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Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
I was under the impression that under the new rules if a team had more than 3 players who played on a major-level team last year, the team was automatically classified as a major-level team this year. Is this correct? I've seen at least one new team with a roster of 5 major level players that is classified as AAA. Do I have the rule wrong?
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Newbie BB Mom
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Posted - 09/20/2012 : 12:19:23
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Originally posted by spliter
I know this happened last yr. A team had three kids that played Major that joined a AAA team. USSSA moved them to Major. They appealed to USSSA to be put back in AAA. This was the right thing to do because they were still not a top team in AAA. Several Major teams will tell you that all their players are not Major players they just made the mistake of getting on a Major team. They had a good tryout but never performed. It also can depend on who are the Major players. I think I know the team that you talk about and based on the players they are better off in AAA. Majors is a different animal for the few. Some realize Majors is business and want to go back to fun. USSSA has some wriggle room. A true Major does not want to play AAA.
I'm not trying to point a finger at any team. I totally get that a team with 4 or more kids who played on a major level team last year might still be best classified as a AAA team. And I understand why a team might want to be playing at a level it is most competitive.
I'm just wondering if I understand the new rule that went into effect August 1 correctly. I thought the classification based on "drop down players" was automatic and then the team would need to appeal for reclassification. If I'm getting what you're saying, spliter, the classification is still discretionary rather than automatic? |
Edited by - Newbie BB Mom on 09/20/2012 12:35:57 |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2012 : 14:01:21
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I have noticed this happening with several teams, and also teams with "drop down players" that are not registered correctly according to the new rules. It has not been much of an issue this fall because most tournaments are "open". Hopefully Utrip will get this straight by spring, and make sure all teams are aware of the new rules.
It certainly does not appear that it is "automatic" in the registration process. It will take some time for utrip to review the rosters and make changes. If this is not fixed by spring, it could be a real nightmare for directors dealing with protests against teams/players that are not registered correctly. |
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New Rule Changes for USSSA
