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WestCoastGuru
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 Posted - 09/21/2012 : 09:36:16
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| Just curious to everybody's opinion pertaining to the new rules....does anybody else feel like USSSA is trying to grow the number of teams playing at the major level classification with all the rule changes? Seems some teams classified as Major last season were inclined to play other associations due to bigger field of teams playing grand slam/triple crown....just looking for other thoughts. |
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BatterUp10
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 09:48:09
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Originally posted by WestCoastGuru
Just curious to everybody's opinion pertaining to the new rules....does anybody else feel like USSSA is trying to grow the number of teams playing at the major level classification with all the rule changes? Seems some teams classified as Major last season were inclined to play other associations due to bigger field of teams playing grand slam/triple crown....just looking for other thoughts.
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pickoffmove
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 10:05:42
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| There is a team registered at AAA right now that has 8 players that were Major last season. Looks like the team either changed names or relocated, but obviously still the same team with a few additions. Now from what I could tell though they didn't really fair that well in Major last season but did decent against AAA competition. Shouldn't they be allowed to stay in AAA based on that? Just wondering if it's all about the label or if some thought will be put into it, prior to any reclassifications. |
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Card6
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 12:11:34
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| pick... If they didnt make it to a semi last yr. in a Major then AAA. Sounds like once again a team played up to a level not for them. If they are not able to go back to AAA they will just play open or no Utrip at all. Rules are getting crazy because of the recruiters and trophy hunters. I know of one team that Utrip ask them to be AAA but they register Major with only two Major players. Didnt play a AAA tourney. They took their lumps and became better players for it. If the team your talking about wins their first couple of tourneys by a blowout they have to be moved up and shame on them. They were never true Majors if they want to go back to AAA. The better the competition the better our players will be. Those that are only into W & L thats not what you want to hear. Just because your on a Major team doesnt make you a Major player. Why would you not want to compete at the Major level? They are the ones that will be playing in HS. |
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offspeed4
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 13:46:39
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| If I read the rules correctly, a 12 year old playing up on a 13AAA team cannot also play on a 12 Major team. Is that correct? |
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pickoffmove
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 14:41:51
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| Card6 - Very good points. Most of the kids on my oldest son's HS team were Major players in their youth. You're right. |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2012 : 21:57:25
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C'mon man !!!
There is a USSSA 11open tourney this weekend that has two 11AA teams and five 10u teams playing and it clearly states that they are playing 10u rules, base distances and pitching distances. Thats not an 11 open tourney, thats a 10u tourney letting two 11u teams play down. IMHO, Thats going a bit far to let teams play. |
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11UFAN
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Posted - 09/29/2012 : 14:02:11
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Unless you are in an area where there is nothing but USSSA tourney's all this hand wringing seems a little silly to me. Coaches need to find the best 12/13 kids they can, coach them up and play your classification in the small handful of tourney's where this matters.
My thing is this: If you're team goal is to play in USSSA regional and national tourney's (SNIT's, E32 etc,,) coaches need to follow the rules. If this is not your team goal then don't worry about it. All teams need to do is follow the rules about adding and dropping players so kids don't get screwed and that's it.
There will be only a very small handful of ELITE Major teams in GA where this even matters.
Parity will be even better this year so just play ball and let's do what we need to do this 13U transitional year which is getting these kids ready for 60/90 next year. It's all that really matters for my kid. |
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stepoff
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Posted - 09/29/2012 : 19:49:44
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| Is the rule where if you were a Major team last year and have the same kids on the team this year - you must stay a Major just a Georgia rule? I know of a team in another state who has the same roster but now shows them registered as AAA. And they were a good major team last year. |
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Between the Lines
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Posted - 10/04/2012 : 11:03:30
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| I am a 10AA team and in the process of adding one Major drop down player. I am willing to move to AAA(follow the rules) and feel that we can compete at this level. I just noticed a 10 major team with 8/9 Major players was just reclassified to AAA(only losing to only 2 major teams). This coach chose to add 4 major players from other teams during the fall. I could see a reclass by USSSA if he had 3 or 4 Major kids but 9 kids? So you see how i feel about new rule. |
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deepsouth6
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Posted - 10/04/2012 : 20:18:08
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| What if your a new team with at least 4 or 5 major players but listed as AAA |
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Newbie BB Mom
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 11:24:46
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It looks like the state office is still hammering out the 2013 classifications and reclassification/appeals policies for this year. Last year's policies (still posted on their website) focused on six players as the magic number for downward reclassification purposes. Whatever policies the state office comes up with for this year will need to account for USSSA's new rules regarding three or more "drop down players." Until then, I would cut these teams some slack. They've had to post their online rosters and start playing without any formal guidance from the state office about what to do.
Under USSSA's current rules, the state office has the discretion to reclassify a team at any time during the season. (Rule 2.05) So, for example, if the state office thinks its best, it can reclassify to AAA a team made up entirely of major level players without waiting for a request or for a certain number of sanctioned games against other major level teams.
Perhaps that's what we're seeing -- reclassifications on an ad hoc basis while the state office works out an official reclassification policy? |
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wareagle
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Posted - 10/05/2012 : 13:39:27
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Not really a big deal, especially in the fall, but Utrip needs to clarify and stick to a set of rules. There is a AA team registered to play this weekend that has probably 9 or so major players on the roster. Again this is not a big deal to me because it is an Open tournament. This particular organization has a major and a AA team. Why not just register as the Major team? If The AA(?) team wins over some Major teams then they could be bumped up in class pretty quickly? I have no problems with this team, I am only using them as an example of how unorganized, unenforced, and subjective this classification system currently is.
I am not the most knowledgeable with computers, but it seems as though it would be pretty simple to install a set of parameters, so that when a team registers, the roster history of the players(assuming they are input correctly)could be checked and automatically set a minimum classification to which a team could register???? |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2012 : 16:45:45
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Personally I don't care, even if a team has all major players and plays in all single A/AA tournaments. We are all now at 13, getting ready for 60/90. Competition is going to keep getting better as weaker kids quit the game, kids go through puberty and pitcher only's start appearing.
All the USSSA rules trying to prevent trophy hunters are ridiculous once they get to 13U and older. If a team wants to enter a tourney and outscore everyone 100-0 who cares. They won't be getting any better and those that play them will.
Baseball is not a sprint, it is a marathon. |
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barehandit
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Posted - 10/07/2012 : 12:56:42
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| 11UFAN,great feedback. 9-14 players vs 9-14 players. Only 9 on the field at one time. Prepare, show up, play the game the right way. Teach the game the right way. Develop the kids. I prefer wood bats after 13. You can lose to a team by 100 and still execute every play, learn from every at bat and every situation, whether it ends successfully or not. Adversity builds things too and being beat by a stacked team doesn't make the team that loses a losing team. All kinds of approaches, mindsets, styles in coaching, business and life, Yankees vs A's, Chick Fil A vs Burger King, Microsoft vs Apple. |
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New Rule Changes for USSSA
