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MAPSTRE
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 Posted - 06/15/2012 : 07:38:57
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What is the penalty in USSSA for an improper online roster entry? I.E. if a kids name is Colton and the online roster lists him as Colt? I would figure it would fall under this rule:
A player shall be eligible to compete in the program as long as he abides by the USSSA Constitution and the Official Rules when his first name, last name (no middle names, nick names, shortened names, slang names, initials, prefixes or suffixes are allowed) and date of birth (in proper format – mm/dd/yyyy) are listed EXACTLY as they appear on his original birth certificate, as a member on an eligible team’s Official Online Roster. Rule 3.03 Comment: Failure to comply with this rule shall result in the offending team including all rostered players at the time of infraction being prohibited from participating in the program. Approved Ruling: The result of a team in violation of this rule shall be immediate forfeiture out of any event. |
Edited by - MAPSTRE on 06/15/2012 07:42:25 |
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mrbama31
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 09:31:46
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You are correct....however this is rarely enforced unless the player is on another roster thus an attempt at deceiving USSSA is being made by a coach/team.
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Originally posted by MAPSTRE
What is the penalty in USSSA for an improper online roster entry? I.E. if a kids name is Colton and the online roster lists him as Colt? I would figure it would fall under this rule:
A player shall be eligible to compete in the program as long as he abides by the USSSA Constitution and the Official Rules when his first name, last name (no middle names, nick names, shortened names, slang names, initials, prefixes or suffixes are allowed) and date of birth (in proper format – mm/dd/yyyy) are listed EXACTLY as they appear on his original birth certificate, as a member on an eligible team’s Official Online Roster. Rule 3.03 Comment: Failure to comply with this rule shall result in the offending team including all rostered players at the time of infraction being prohibited from participating in the program. Approved Ruling: The result of a team in violation of this rule shall be immediate forfeiture out of any event.
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jmac83
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 09:32:51
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| Absent a little extra time and annoyance in verifying rosters, why would anyone want to aggressively enforce this rule, unless an overage player or a kid playing on two USSSA teams in the same age group at once is on the roster? |
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ramman999
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 10:27:15
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Outside of blatantly trying to deceive or trick the system (ie. same kid is "Colton" on one teams roster, while "Colt" on another, playing on both teams at the same time), it would seem the only reason to bring it up would be for sour grapes or to have something in your back pocket in case you lost a game - kind of nit picky and shady if you ask me
My son has been listed with his "official" birth certificate name since he was 7 - first, middle and last name, entered by his then coach...
I honestly don't know if that can be changed now. We've re-registered him when we've changed teams and let the system assign him a new ID number, but ultimately it ended up merging the numbers anyway and reverts back to the same original one. |
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Outtahere
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 10:52:22
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| We see it a lot.. I only recognized it because we have seen some of the kids from previous play. If the kids are legit age I am not going to say anything. But you have to wonder what good it does a kid to play on multiple teams never forming solid relationships with only one team. Overuse of arm, burnout, etc. also come into play here but that's on the parent. I for one have never seen a coach question a kid for this. When would you do it? Before the game or after you lose? |
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Mad1
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 11:05:04
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One thing I learned during the season about player protest is That tournament directors are not gonna do anything unless a official protest is made.
When checking Available pitching before bracket play at a tourney this year, The team we were playing only showed 1 inning pitched in a game the day before. Upon checking with the tournament director for correct innings, we were told it was because they used a non roster player the day before. He gave us the name and we found the same kid and one more un rostered player was in the game against us that day. He knew they were there playing, but told us that was all he could say, except he told them they couldnt use them as pitchers the day before. He said he could not do anything unless we made an official protest to umpire and then to him. He knew they were illegal, but wouldnt do anything unless we made a "official" protest of it.
We just beat em and sent em home.
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field6
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 11:11:03
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| No one said it had to do with a LOSS of a game. The question was asked in this topic and it should be addressed as such. So many folks on this sight assume what they want to fit the answer the way they want. The question was "what is the penalty in USSSA for an improper online roster entry" Why can't we just answer the question and not make assumptions. The rules are put in place and must be adhereed to keep balence. I agree it's kind of nit picky, however why was the rule written? Any team that violates the rule provided or any rule should be held accountable. USSSA states no where that rules can be over looked because they are nit picky. Let's answer the question proposed. |
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jmac83
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 12:30:38
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| Just because U-trip has an insane recordkeeping rule doesn't mean, IMHO, that it must be enforced aggressively and to the letter. The overarching goal of the rules should be fair competition. I fail to see how listing a kid as Jimmy rather than James merits anyone's time and attention, unless it's furthering the cheating scenarios suggested earlier in this thread. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 13:10:58
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The OP knows the rule, he copied it into his question, but just in case:
http://www.gausssabaseball.com/images/uploads/pdffiles/Rule_Book.pdf
Section 3.00 details the rules regarding online rosters and the prescribed penalties.
To offer my opinion further (for what it's worth) to Outtahere, I believe it's up to the parents to ensure their kid's arm is protected and that the kid doesn't get burned out. If the kid is on two rosters and playing for multiple teams in the same weekend, or even same tournament, it isn't happening without the parents knowledge, and shame on them.
As to the "When would you do it? Before the game or after you lose?", it's my opinion that you should do it before the game so that, if a game is played, it's done so with legal players and the outcome can be considered legitimate. Doesn't help the winning team to lose a game on the field and then be awarded a victory administratively.
And for anyone interested, this exact violation has happened to a team this season and suspensions were handed out to player and coaches. Widely written about on this forum.
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21370 |
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mrbama31
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Posted - 06/15/2012 : 13:59:20
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The answer to the question was provided by the post of the question itself. The team is delcared inelligible for the event. Pack it boys we are going home.
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Originally posted by field6
No one said it had to do with a LOSS of a game. The question was asked in this topic and it should be addressed as such. So many folks on this sight assume what they want to fit the answer the way they want. The question was "what is the penalty in USSSA for an improper online roster entry" Why can't we just answer the question and not make assumptions. The rules are put in place and must be adhereed to keep balence. I agree it's kind of nit picky, however why was the rule written? Any team that violates the rule provided or any rule should be held accountable. USSSA states no where that rules can be over looked because they are nit picky. Let's answer the question proposed.
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Peanutsr
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Posted - 06/16/2012 : 07:45:10
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The rule is not just a silly record keeping rule. The rule was put in place because coaches /parents use this tactic as a way to circumvent a player being on a frozen roster and therefore ineligable. Example: You are a triple A team going against a rival you have never beaten. One of the kids on the team is friends with Johnny Stud Pitcher from a major team whose roster is frozen and who is not playing that weekend. Johnny Stud Pitcher could not be added to the roster because his name would be flagged as being on a frozen roster and on a major team. Johnny B. Stud Pitcher Jr.'s name is not, however, on anyone's roster and therefore eligable to pitch against your rival.
It happens more than you think. quote:
Originally posted by jmac83
Just because U-trip has an insane recordkeeping rule doesn't mean, IMHO, that it must be enforced aggressively and to the letter. The overarching goal of the rules should be fair competition. I fail to see how listing a kid as Jimmy rather than James merits anyone's time and attention, unless it's furthering the cheating scenarios suggested earlier in this thread.
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