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in_the_know
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 Posted - 06/26/2012 : 16:55:43
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Originally posted by greenmonsta
You did not directly answer my question (Should a young player be denied the opportunity to participate most of the summer in those first 5 tournaments because his family just can’t swing the final two?)
I'll answer it.
YES.
The fact is that all of us, our children included, are denied opportunity daily because we don't have the finances to fulfill the desire. To be quite specific to your point, if the final two tournaments of the all-star season require that players attend week long events with out of town travel, then individual families unable to meet that financial commitment should not commit themselves to all-stars and find something else that does fit their financial abilities.
Baseball is a team sport and all on the team must be able to meet the commitment. If three families signed up, knowing that they couldn't afford the trips, and by doing so and now having to drop out they deprive the other 9 or 10 families of being able to continue, then they have done a disservice to the entire team.
It's probably not a popular opinion, but it's reality. There are alot of things I'd like to do but can't because I can't afford it. I'd like to send my kids to the finest private school around. I can afford the first half of the year's tuition, but not the second half. Should they be deprived? YES. I want to join Augusta National. Can't swing the initiation but could handle the dues. Should I be deprived? YES. I'd love to eat at Bone's tonight. I can over the appetizer but not afford the entree. Shouldn't Bone's comp the rest so I won't be deprived?
Come on. Stop with the entitlement mentality. There are a million things that my kids are "deprived" of daily because I can't afford it. It's called the real world. Start getting your kids ready for it.
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seminole tony
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 21:48:28
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This may be a bit off subject but what about sending kids with coaches and families that want and can afford to go? Bunk 4-6 kids in a room, hotels have comp. breakfast. Shouldn't cost that much for 4-5 days per child. Do fund raisers(car washes, beg at the doors at Wally World, etc.). Then save your vacation for one of the World Series.
Panama City was great the last two years for my son(won it both years).
We did Southhaven when he was 8yrs old. Redbird games, Memphis site seeing was fun(Graceland).
If I had to choose...PCB. You can't beat the beach..
All I can say is that it don't get any easier when they get older. Playing everyday for 4-6 weeks straight with only a day off here and there. They call it "Showcase" ball and everyone sees the "Show" except the people that stayed on his "Case".
He loves it and I hate it because I can't be there to watch.
Thank god for GameChanger on line and grandparents. |
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warriorsbaseball
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 23:36:55
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| Well I know we are looking forward to heading down to Valdosta for State and the teams that are going are also. I think its great to go somewhere different and play - kids love going 'out of town' for stuff like this. Enjoy it! |
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greenmonsta
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 07:21:53
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In the know-
I don’t think you will find much entitlement mentality in Rec ball. You can’t afford top private schools but can you afford community college? Rec ball is the community college. You can’t afford Augusta but can you afford the county course? Rec ball is the county course. You can’t afford Bones but can you afford Applebee’s? Rec ball is Applebees. Isn’t that one of the reasons some people move on to travel ball? They don’t want to eat at Applebees anymore and they have the means to go to Bones so they make the switch.
The teams that I have been associated with have always had a parents meeting at the beginning of the season. In that meeting expectations are discussed this includes time and money. Whether or not the team will go to the WS has always been discussed. This year States had to be added to that discussion. I hope that doesn’t have to happen for the majority of the teams in the years to come.
From the DD website-
It was Dizzy Dean’s dream that one day every young person would have the opportunity to play baseball. |
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Coach Pete
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 09:26:32
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So, it looks like the State A tourney teams are pretty settled in terms of who qualified. Shocking that Eastside Titans and Kennesaw A didn't qualify, but that's why they play the games.
District 1 - 4 teams qualify
Whitfield Nitro, Chattanooga Valley, Dade County, Ringold Tigers
District 2 - 3 teams qualify
OP Sharks, PS Indians, OP Stingrays
District 3 - 5 teams qualify
Acworth Orange, Acworth Blue, ECB Bulls, ECB Bulldogs, Canton Stingers
District 4 - 5 teams qualify
Sandy Springs Storm, Sandy Plains Red, NYO Stallions, NYO Mustangs, Buckhead Braves
District 5 - 3 teams qualify
Winston Red, Winston Blue, Boundary Waters
District 6 - 3 teams qualify
Hall County A's, Dawson County Tigers, Hall County Warriors
District 7 - 1 team (automatic)
Valdosta ??? (no idea what their team name is, does anyone know?)
With these 24, qualified, here's my predictions:
District 1 will have 1 team attend, with the rationale that this isn't traditionally the strongest district and a 7 hour drive may not be desirable
District 2 will have a very good showing, all 3 teams attending, and possibly have 2 teams in the final 5
District 3 will have a very good showing, all 5 teams attending, and possibly have 2 teams in the final 5
District 4 will have all 5 teams attending, and possibly 1 team in the final 5
District 5 will have 1 team attend. Judging by comments on this forum, it doesn't sound like Winston will be attending. Prediction that Boundary Waters will attend, but not make the final 5
District 6 will have 1 team attend, but like District 1, traditionally not the strongest District.
This will put the tournament at 17 teams. I don't mean any disrespect to those I said may not attend, just going by some comments in this forum and opinion of success from past state tourneys.
The top teams to attend, in no particular order:
Oregon Park Sharks
Powder Springs Indians
Oregon Park Stingrays
Acworth Orange
Canton Stingers
East Cherokee Bulls
Sandy Springs Storm
The draw will be really important as always, but for these 7, it could mean the difference between leaving on Friday or staying the weekend. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 09:54:30
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Originally posted by greenmonsta
In the know-
I don’t think you will find much entitlement mentality in Rec ball. You can’t afford top private schools but can you afford community college? Rec ball is the community college. You can’t afford Augusta but can you afford the county course? Rec ball is the county course. You can’t afford Bones but can you afford Applebee’s? Rec ball is Applebees. Isn’t that one of the reasons some people move on to travel ball? They don’t want to eat at Applebees anymore and they have the means to go to Bones so they make the switch.
The teams that I have been associated with have always had a parents meeting at the beginning of the season. In that meeting expectations are discussed this includes time and money. Whether or not the team will go to the WS has always been discussed. This year States had to be added to that discussion. I hope that doesn’t have to happen for the majority of the teams in the years to come.
From the DD website-
It was Dizzy Dean’s dream that one day every young person would have the opportunity to play baseball.
You make my point quite nicely. Rec ball is affordable for many. All-Stars may become cost prohibitive. So there you go. Play rec ball and find something else to do if you can't afford the ADDITIONAL cost of all-stars.
Sounds like Dizzy Dean's dream is intact. Don't see where he states that playing baseball includes traveling with an all-star team. |
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greenmonsta
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 10:01:37
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kammansmom
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 10:23:47
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Originally posted by Coach Pete
So, it looks like the State A tourney teams are pretty settled in terms of who qualified. Shocking that Eastside Titans and Kennesaw A didn't qualify, but that's why they play the games.
District 1 - 4 teams qualify
Whitfield Nitro, Chattanooga Valley, Dade County, Ringold Tigers
District 2 - 3 teams qualify
OP Sharks, PS Indians, OP Stingrays
District 3 - 5 teams qualify
Acworth Orange, Acworth Blue, ECB Bulls, ECB Bulldogs, Canton Stingers
District 4 - 5 teams qualify
Sandy Springs Storm, Sandy Plains Red, NYO Stallions, NYO Mustangs, Buckhead Braves
District 5 - 3 teams qualify
Winston Red, Winston Blue, Boundary Waters
District 6 - 3 teams qualify
Hall County A's, Dawson County Tigers, Hall County Warriors
District 7 - 1 team (automatic)
Valdosta ??? (no idea what their team name is, does anyone know?)
With these 24, qualified, here's my predictions:
District 1 will have 1 team attend, with the rationale that this isn't traditionally the strongest district and a 7 hour drive may not be desirable
District 2 will have a very good showing, all 3 teams attending, and possibly have 2 teams in the final 5
District 3 will have a very good showing, all 5 teams attending, and possibly have 2 teams in the final 5
District 4 will have all 5 teams attending, and possibly 1 team in the final 5
District 5 will have 1 team attend. Judging by comments on this forum, it doesn't sound like Winston will be attending. Prediction that Boundary Waters will attend, but not make the final 5
District 6 will have 1 team attend, but like District 1, traditionally not the strongest District.
This will put the tournament at 17 teams. I don't mean any disrespect to those I said may not attend, just going by some comments in this forum and opinion of success from past state tourneys.
The top teams to attend, in no particular order:
Oregon Park Sharks
Powder Springs Indians
Oregon Park Stingrays
Acworth Orange
Canton Stingers
East Cherokee Bulls
Sandy Springs Storm
The draw will be really important as always, but for these 7, it could mean the difference between leaving on Friday or staying the weekend.
We are not from Winston, we are from one of the other teams listed, however, I spoke with a coach from Winston and they are attending state, just not World Series.
I totally agree about the draw...that draw will determine how this all plays out, but that's baseball
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Coach Pete
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 12:44:19
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Good to hear that Winston will be attending the State tourney. Very solid team that placed 3rd last year. However, a bummer for them to skip World Series because of the travel costs. I'll add Winston to my list of teams that are the favorites. I've seen a little bit of Sandy Plains Red play, but seem to be a night and day team, and that just doesn't work in the state A tourney.
I saw an earlier post about how Valdosta will run the table at the tourney. While they did have success as 10 year olds last year, their 8 year olds last year lost on Saturday morning and then on Saturday afternoon, thus making a 7 hour drive for 4 hours of baseball. Judging by the comments on this board, some coaches will be pretty fired up to play the home team. Still wondering what the name of their team is... |
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GAGold
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Posted - 06/27/2012 : 21:16:01
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Originally posted by greenmonsta
No love for Sandy Plains Red?
by the looks of most of these people...only love for Kennesaw, OP, and Acworth...
Sandy Plains will bite one of these in State...THEY ALWAYS DO!!! |
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ReliefPitcher
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 09:47:11
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It is quite obvious that DD is using the 60+ North GA teams as pawns in order to increase their South GA business. It's all about the $$'s...nothing else.
"Dizzy Dean Baseball, Inc. is a non-profit youth Baseball/Softball organization whose mission is to provide a recreation outlet for as many youth as possible."
MANY teams that qualified for 8u "A" State will not be attending due to the location...does that jive with DD's stated mission? Of course not. And now teams that did not qualify based on results at district have been invited....watering down the competition. Is it a true "State Championship" when some of the best teams won't be participating?
Good luck to those who return to DD...they obviously do not have the best interests of the kids in their decision making process.
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Coach Pete
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 12:08:52
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Originally posted by ReliefPitcher
And now teams that did not qualify based on results at district have been invited....watering down the competition. Is it a true "State Championship" when some of the best teams won't be participating?
RP, The draw for states is on Sunday. Unless coaches called DD GA HQ up and said we aren't going to make it, how would they know how many plan to participate and how would you know? How would you know that they are inviting teams that didn't qualify? If they do invite teams that didn't qualify, then enforcing the rule, "If you qualify for State A you must play in it to play in World Series" should be removed. Can't have it both ways. |
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warriorsbaseball
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 12:35:50
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Tournament this weekend in Acworth involving some good teams:
1. Acworth Warriors Orange
2. Acworth Warriors White
3. Kennesaw Generals Red
4. NYO Stallions
5. Sandy Plains Cougars Red
6. East Cherokee Bulls
7. Mt. Paran Blues
8. Hobgood Heat
9. Druid Hills
10. Sandy Springs Storm
I'm also with Gagold and green.....hard to leave sandy plains out of any discussion. I've looked online for any news Valdosta 8u team and haven't found a thing. If anyone knows anything about them feel free to share! |
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CHADSTRO
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 14:27:37
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My guess is the Valdosta team is a USSSA team 8u coach pitch, playing Dizzy Dean. The 2 teams from last summer in the 10U Dizzy Dean state was USSSA teams. That is why both teams lost in the championship on pitching rules? Georgia Batmen 8u AAA coach pitch
http://www.usssa.com/sports/Team3.asp?TeamID=1752833 |
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Coach Pete
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 15:08:31
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If that is the Valdosta team, then our friends over at the Georgia Force will be all sorts of mad. Only way I could see this being ok that they play USSSA tourneys is that there are no other's for them to play, but they aren't supposed to have a team picked or tourney's played in back in March.
Something smells... |
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ReliefPitcher
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 15:35:34
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Pete-
I have been told that invites have been extended to non-qualifying teams due to teams not accepting invites. I do no know the quantity of teams. I know of a team that did not finish in the top 5 of district four tourney that will be going to Valdosta.
I find it interesting that DD found it that important to drag everyone down to Valdosta, and yet not even a mention of the tourney on the internet in local paper, local baseball website or County Parks & Rec website. |
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1337ball
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 17:02:14
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Originally posted by Coach Pete
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Originally posted by ReliefPitcher
And now teams that did not qualify based on results at district have been invited....watering down the competition. Is it a true "State Championship" when some of the best teams won't be participating?
RP, The draw for states is on Sunday. Unless coaches called DD GA HQ up and said we aren't going to make it, how would they know how many plan to participate and how would you know? How would you know that they are inviting teams that didn't qualify? If they do invite teams that didn't qualify, then enforcing the rule, "If you qualify for State A you must play in it to play in World Series" should be removed. Can't have it both ways.
I'm guessing the team/teams opting out of State A aren't going to WS either. That's just a guess. |
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warriorsbaseball
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Posted - 06/28/2012 : 22:40:28
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| Chad u probably are correct about the usssa team - that makes sense. I believe they can play usssa tourneys as long as the team name is different?? (as it is) and the roster differs by a player or two (as it probably does). |
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steviejayw
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 10:19:39
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Originally posted by ReliefPitcher
It is quite obvious that DD is using the 60+ North GA teams as pawns in order to increase their South GA business. It's all about the $$'s...nothing else.
"Dizzy Dean Baseball, Inc. is a non-profit youth Baseball/Softball organization whose mission is to provide a recreation outlet for as many youth as possible."
MANY teams that qualified for 8u "A" State will not be attending due to the location...does that jive with DD's stated mission? Of course not. And now teams that did not qualify based on results at district have been invited....watering down the competition. Is it a true "State Championship" when some of the best teams won't be participating?
Good luck to those who return to DD...they obviously do not have the best interests of the kids in their decision making process.
If DD is trying to make gains in S. GA, what associations do the South GA recs use now? |
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Mike Corbin
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 16:43:41
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| Lots of Dixie Youth and some AABC from what I remember. |
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OldeTymer
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 16:45:56
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Originally posted by GAGold
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Originally posted by greenmonsta
No love for Sandy Plains Red?
by the looks of most of these people...only love for Kennesaw, OP, and Acworth...
Sandy Plains will bite one of these in State...THEY ALWAYS DO!!!
Well, it wont be Kennesaw because they wont be there. Guess OP and Acworth better watch out. |
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OldeTymer
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 16:49:39
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Originally posted by baseballcr8zy
Coach Pete - I do not belive that is why Georgia Force was let go from DD. I heard otherwise from a DD Official. However, maybe we should print that roster and compare to their DD All Star Team just in case...LOL
If there are other teams invited that did not qualify, then why even have district??? Will be interesting to see what happens. I hope Relief was just misinformed for everyone's sake.
From what I heard, Force was dq'd because of a technicality. Paulding Co is it's own organization with all the parks under this umbrella. One park decided to do their own thing and with half of the Force's roster coming out of that park, they couldn't play together anymore because their roster would have been from two different parks.
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OldeTymer
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 16:54:54
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Originally posted by warriorsbaseball
Chad u probably are correct about the usssa team - that makes sense. I believe they can play usssa tourneys as long as the team name is different?? (as it is) and the roster differs by a player or two (as it probably does).
They can play USSSA with the same name and players so long as none of the USSSA touranemtns cause the players to miss a rec game. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 20:39:42
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Originally posted by OldeTymer
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Originally posted by warriorsbaseball
Chad u probably are correct about the usssa team - that makes sense. I believe they can play usssa tourneys as long as the team name is different?? (as it is) and the roster differs by a player or two (as it probably does).
They can play USSSA with the same name and players so long as none of the USSSA touranemtns cause the players to miss a rec game.
What about the rule (section 11:13) which prevents any team from holding a practice prior to May 15. Wouldn't playing that group of players in USSSA during the entire rec season violate that rule? |
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ReliefPitcher
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Posted - 06/29/2012 : 22:30:01
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| I was told by a DD Official that the May 15th rule has been removed because it was "not enforceable." I am not sure what the current rule is, but it is very apparent that some teams are true rec all star teams while some are formed during the winter and practice/play together all spring. In my humble opinion, DD needs to come up with a ruling because some parks (u know who you are) are basically travel teams disguised as all stars. There needs to be a standard in order to keep a level playing field. |
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Georgia Dizzy Dean 8U State Tourney
