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TODDS
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 Posted - 03/16/2012 : 08:34:03
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| Beaux...yes the Easton Stealth has the USSSA stamp and 1.15 BPR rating on itmaking it legal in all tournies. |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2012 : 08:48:57
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Guys, calm down. No need to eject players. Just remove the bats. I remember in the old days they had a ring the put around the bats because of dents. I can't wait for the cries to test the kids for performance enhancement drugs...haha. Just play the game and teach the kids. Trust me in 10 years no one will remember any of these games or kids (Maybe 1-2 kids haha)
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JABA
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Posted - 03/16/2012 : 09:20:38
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| I'm pretty sure that bat has the "approved for USSSA" label on it, which is all it needs this year. Super hot bat with nothing being done to it, which is why the new USSSA bat rules never made sense to me. The most dangerous bats by far in my opinion are the drop 10 composite small barrel bats, and they are pretty much all legal for another two years. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 03/16/2012 : 10:21:58
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If it's 2-1/4, then it is not required to have the NEW USSSA stamp. It is, however, required to have the old USSSA stamp. So if it has the old stamp, it's good. If it doesn't have any USSSA stamp then it doesn't conform to the standard/rule.
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Originally posted by Beaux
Well since it's apparent that the burden falls on the coaches to ensure that the new bat rules be adhered to, I for one will ensure that our team challenges any bat that is suspect. This week we are playing in the NIT, and there are several teams that are well known for bending the rules no matter what the consequences.
Quick question to the group, has the Easton Stealth Speed LSS4XL ever passed the 1.15 rating? This the 2 1/4 size bat, that seems to be the favorite of a couple of these teams.
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Hurricane
351 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2012 : 10:29:02
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| I wish they would BBCOR all the bats. I imagine someone out there has a Easton Stealth Speed LSS4XL with a stamp on it. legal or not. I bet if there was a company where you could send any bat and have it tested and if it passed they would give you the stamp, every bat even the BESR -3 bats would pass. |
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Thedudesdad
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Posted - 03/16/2012 : 12:07:12
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| Beaux- the lss4xl has the old usssa mark on it. It is good until 2014 |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2012 : 16:50:52
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| If they actually changed the bats then all this would be worth it....Heck no I would never say anything to an umpire about a bat I knew had ZERO competitive advantage....If I thought it was shaved or rolled then yes, but to argue that the same exact bat with the same exact paint job my kid swings is legal and another kids isn't because it doesn't have some stupid stamp they came up with to swindle even more money away from parents would be stupid IMO.. I voiced the loudest opinion last year regarding the illegal bats that were clearly hotter than all the others, but we have several Easton Rivals bats that are the SAME EXACT bat as last season, but because everyone got greedy (again) and knew they could use safety as an excuse to get people to buy new bats. Hate to ramble but when I called Easton to get a replacement,(nothing wrong at all with the old bat but it had to have the stamp which automatically makes it safer) two different people one person who was in warranty dept, and the other was an engineer BOTH SAID that the bats were the exact same bats and the stamp was for USSSA play reasons. |
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Hitcoach
26 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2012 : 20:44:13
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If everybody just played with wood bats then this topic would be useless.
As far as the Umps go we ask at the begining of every game if all players are properly equiped to play today. That is to remove any possible blame off of us should a player actually gets hurt. Now as of this year we are also asking if all bats are leagal to play. Also removing any blame off of us.
This is why I usually stick to collage & high school as an umpire. |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 20:25:22
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| Saw a bat removed from game by USSSA official last night in 10AA SNIT. Umpire refused to remove bat and it was taken by official. It had no Utrip stamp and was 1.20 bpr according to official. Returned after game and no penalty to team or player. |
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Beaux
23 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 08:19:22
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Well it's official...This is one of the greatest scam ever pulled off. Over the weekend I witness 3 separate incidents in 2 different tournaments (NIT & Mayhem), not one of the rulings was either consistent or fully understand by the TD and /or officals. Then I was watched a couple of 5'0 95lb to 105lbs hit line drive bomb over 280 ft est., with a bat that as of today is legal, but will not be in 2014.
This make absolutely no sense! |
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bharbin
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Posted - 03/19/2012 : 08:37:13
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I'll say this. I was at the SNIT in Conyers over the weekend and regardless of what anyone says, I saw some HRs that, in my 40+ years of playing, coaching and watching this game, were extremly suspect. When the average 13 yr old HR travels 310-320 I get it; it's the one's that travel 375+ feet that I have issues with. I also saw some hotter that usual ground balls coming off certain bats...
Unfortuantely, it's going to take someone getting hurt from a ball coming of a bat that has been tampered with before much is done. Law suites are surely in order for the individual, and perhaps the team and the host (USSSA, TC, AAU) if this situation arises. I'd like to ask the kid, the coach or any parent if they want their son on the mound or the corners (or even in a drawn in infield) with someone at the plate witha tampered bat...chances are...NO.
The shame is, that the players that go to these measures to gain a competitve edge, spit in the eye of the integrity of the game and the potential harm of kids that are out playing by the rules. |
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toprank
138 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 09:28:53
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| I didn't see any illegal bats this weekend but I heard some strange sounds coming off a few bats, check swing type hits that went warning track or one arm swings that went deep also. |
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ipcuss
58 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 09:36:42
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| Quick question? Is the older model Worth Prodigy black & white legal? We had an ump in the 10u SNIT take a bat out of the game(not a prodigy) and the next batter singled with a black & white worth. We questioned the legallity of that bat and the ump wouldn't even look at it. He just said it is legal and told us to play ball. |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 11:42:07
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Originally posted by ipcuss
Quick question? Is the older model Worth Prodigy black & white legal? We had an ump in the 10u SNIT take a bat out of the game(not a prodigy) and the next batter singled with a black & white worth. We questioned the legallity of that bat and the ump wouldn't even look at it. He just said it is legal and told us to play ball.
If the bat does not have a BPF 1.15 or BBCOR sticker, its an illegal bat this year in USSSA or TC events. True for small barrel or big barrel bats.
If the bat has not sticker, throw it out! |
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Beaux
23 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 13:17:04
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| oldschool--unfortunately it seems to be a little more confussing then that. Apparently for TC the bat is illegal if the sticker is engraved. |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 14:23:28
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Originally posted by Beaux
oldschool--unfortunately it seems to be a little more confussing then that. Apparently for TC the bat is illegal if the sticker is engraved.
Per Tony's post announcing the new bat rules.
Must have a sticker or label.
A sticker that is engraved? Not sure I understand.
None of the bats I've seen are engraved. All I have seen have a sticker or decal or a label. Some appear to be painted on.
http://images.baseballbats.com/images/products/item-ls12-sl12c-3l.jpg
AGE GROUPS OF 13U AND BELOW WILL BE REQUIRED TO USE BATS THAT ARE CERTIFIED WITH THE LABEL "BPF 1.15". ALL OF THE BATS WITHOUT THIS LABEL WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THERE WILL BE NO REGULATION ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WEIGHT AND LENGTH.
14U AGE GROUP WILL BE ALLOWED TO SWING A DROP 5 CERTIFIED LABEL "BPF 1.15" OR A DROP 3 BBCOR BAT. ALL OF THE BATS THAT DO NOT HAVE EITHER LABEL WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.
AGE GROUPS OF 15U AND ABOVE WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TO SWING A DROP 3 WITH THE CERTIFIED "BBCOR" LABEL. ALL BATS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE BBCOR LABEL WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.
ANY BATS WITH THE USSSA STICKER AND MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS AS DESCRIBED ABOVE WILL BE ALLOWED AT ALL OF OUR EVENTS. THESE BAT SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE IN FULL EFFECT FOR THE SPRING 2012 BASEBALL SEASONS.
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SOGAS
143 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 14:57:25
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Some of the Rivals have the engraved usssa thumb print. My understanding in speaking with an easton rep was these bats are legal for play in USSSA. Eastons first run of these bats did not have the thumb print but USSSA allowed them to be engraved by the manufacture. Easton corrected that and all those bats ran after that has the new stamp.
What I am surprised at is how many of the coaches are unaware of the usssa bat rules while participating in a usssa event and was protesting 2 1/4 legal bats because they didn't have the thumb print. What was funny was 1 coach was protesting the easton speed 2 1/4 of another team and the umpire told him that the stealth was legal but the 2 3/4 bat that his kid just hit the homerun with was illegal. No action was taken. |
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Beaux
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Mike Corbin
523 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 16:37:28
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We had a bat ruled as illegal because the USSSA thumbprint/symbol was etched on the bat, which was done by Easton. The label is now supposed to actually be part of the paint job of the bat itself. The mark is supposed to be smooth is what we were told by Tony and TC. The bat was removed from the game and our player was called out. Even with the stamp that was done by the manufacturer.
However, one of our parents contacted Easton today and were told that if we gave them the serial number of the bat. That they would give us a letter stating that bat, providing it actually was, was labeled and certified by them as 1.15 legal.
This is getting crazy! |
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JABA
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 19:46:49
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bharbin: I don't know if it was my grandson that you saw hit the grounder that hit the first baseman's glove and went to the 300' fence or the long home run that he hit against Team Florida. The bat he used was a Easton Omen big barrel and has the stamp and was bought from a reputable bat company on the internet. The bat is in his bag and I can promise has not been tampered with in any way and can be checked by anyone at any tournament. The bat was recommended by one of our pickups from Team Florida and is a very hot bat but not altered.
You said and I quote that "The shame is, that the players that go to these measures to gain a competitve edge, spit in the eye of the integrity of the game and the potential harm of kids that are out playing by the rules.
I cannot speak for all but you can be assured that the only competitive edge this child has is hard work and countless hours in the batting cage. I am not sure if this is the player you were referring to but he meets the description and I can guarantee you that no one in this family has anything but respect for the game and would never do anything to spit in the game's eye.
Feel free to stop by any time and look at this bat. If it is illegal than I will let you me the one to throw it in the garbage can and I will be the new owner of the bat company.
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 20:45:41
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Papa will most likely end up getting testy over the post made by bharbin so before I get bent out of shape I want my friends on this forum's opinion. Is it possible to do what he says he saw legally. Would it be possible for any 13 year old to work almost year round to achieve his dream of playing baseball at a higher level.
I think it disrespect's the game more to make general accusations that you can't prove without at least attempting to make sure that what you are saying is true before you bark so loud.
Most of you have watched the way my grandson's play and know how much passion they have for the game. I think illegal bats should be outlawed and almost witnessed a tragedy at the Triple Crown when a kid hit a hard line drive that almost took our pitchers head off. I go back to bmoser posts about the Gwinnett kids hitting blasts that appeared to be impossible and took great issue with him and the posts until one day I saw one of the blasts and realized that all great things are possible with hard work and if you possess natural baseball gifts beyond measure.
Is it the bat or the batter producing these hits? |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 21:02:35
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Originally posted by SOGAS
Some of the Rivals have the engraved usssa thumb print. My understanding in speaking with an easton rep was these bats are legal for play in USSSA. Eastons first run of these bats did not have the thumb print but USSSA allowed them to be engraved by the manufacture. Easton corrected that and all those bats ran after that has the new stamp.
What I am surprised at is how many of the coaches are unaware of the usssa bat rules while participating in a usssa event and was protesting 2 1/4 legal bats because they didn't have the thumb print. What was funny was 1 coach was protesting the easton speed 2 1/4 of another team and the umpire told him that the stealth was legal but the 2 3/4 bat that his kid just hit the homerun with was illegal. No action was taken.
Per USSSA rule book
For 2012, Small Barrel bats will be required to carry the new USSSA 1.15 Mark that will be easily indentified without the requirement of a close inspection by USSSA officials.
So As I understand all bats must have a BPF 1.15 marking or BBCOR marking. No marking , not approved. I agree the marking that appears to be etched adds confusion but if there is no marking it seems pretty cut and dry.
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SOGAS
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Posted - 03/19/2012 : 21:55:54
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This is what USSSA has done with this BS bat rule and I call it BS not because they are trying to make the game safer but because they've done little more than drastically increased bat sales for bat companies all in the name of safety when truthfully very little was changed to promote safety in the big scheme of things with the new bat rule. Now if everyone had to go to BBCOR or wood then I would agree that safety was their primary concern but when you allow 2 1/4 bats to basically go unchanged when some of those bats is as hot as you can get then safety was not the primary concern. Not to mention some of the big barrel bats being "same bat with a new stamp".
The other problem with the new bat rule is that it just gives some people another excuse for losing rather than give some other kid/team credit for the extra hard work they put in. Now I'm not saying all that complain about illegal bat issues are making excuses because we all know the extent some people will go to just to gain an advantage. But some just throw out the illegal bat excuse just because another team beat the ball to death. |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 22:19:55
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Originally posted by bharbin
I'll say this. I was at the SNIT in Conyers over the weekend and regardless of what anyone says, I saw some HRs that, in my 40+ years of playing, coaching and watching this game, were extremly suspect. When the average 13 yr old HR travels 310-320 I get it; it's the one's that travel 375+ feet that I have issues with. I also saw some hotter that usual ground balls coming off certain bats...
Unfortuantely, it's going to take someone getting hurt from a ball coming of a bat that has been tampered with before much is done. Law suites are surely in order for the individual, and perhaps the team and the host (USSSA, TC, AAU) if this situation arises. I'd like to ask the kid, the coach or any parent if they want their son on the mound or the corners (or even in a drawn in infield) with someone at the plate witha tampered bat...chances are...NO.
The shame is, that the players that go to these measures to gain a competitve edge, spit in the eye of the integrity of the game and the potential harm of kids that are out playing by the rules.
I will say this. If the kid you saw hit the long home run is from the Bandits, he is not your average 13 year old. In fact, he is probably the best 13 year old power hitter in the USA and he doesn't use modified bats. He doesn't need to. If you have issues with the fact that he is that good, well I guess you will just have your issues then. If you are insinuating that he or anyone else from the Bandits is cheating in any way, you are way off base. |
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"Illegal Bats" - What's being done?
