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goboys
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 Posted - 08/14/2011 : 21:07:37
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| Just finished our first tryouts for 16U. When do the coaches usually contact players with an offer? Thanks for your help! |
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oldmanmj
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Posted - 08/14/2011 : 22:47:28
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| If you weren't already aproached by coaches at the field, it usually take 3-5 days. If you haven't heard from someone by next weekend, then you probably won't hear from someone. Also understand that many of the teams are going to carry extra players for the fall and then make a cut at the end of fall to make their summer rosters. Hope that the workouts were a good experience for your son. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2011 : 10:38:45
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| I believe the draft is Wed night. You should expect to be contacted before then. If you are not chosen prior to the draft, you will most likely be assigned to a team, needing players, during the draft and contacted right afterwards. Only a small percentage of attendees never get selected for any team. You may not, however, get calls from the team you are wanting. Particularly if you have not had any conversation with the coach ahead of time. Even if that was just during the tryouts. |
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goboys
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 11:24:15
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| Thanks for the information. I did contact two coaches prior to tryouts who said they would look at him. My son said four coaches spoke to him about their teams but no coach approached me during tryouts. Should I follow up with the coaches I had contacted prior to tryouts or is that not proper protical? Many thanks for your help! |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2011 : 13:42:54
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I would start with the team you have the most interest in. Contact them and say "I just wanted to check with you to find out your interest. We have had several other teams contact us and I don't want to commit to any other teams before checking on your interest."
Let the coach tell you if he is interested or not, and if so, where he sees your son fitting into his team structure, how many players he is carrying, and how many are playing the position your son is being considered for.
If that coach is not interested, or you are not interested in them after you talk, then go on to the next team on your list.
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2011 : 15:40:20
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
Only a small percentage of attendees never get selected for any team.
I disagree and I'm not sure where your information is coming from but it's wrong. Many of the kids don't get on teams. It's not rec ball and the coaches arent forced to take whatever player they get assigned. If it was that easy to play at ECB then everyone would. There were over 175 14U kids last year and I guarantee most weren't "put" on a team. The teams at ECB are independent and choose their own players. The ECB program has no say so over them regarding who they put on their team. |
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stepoff
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 15:54:04
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| What are the rules during ECB tryouts? I did not think coaches could approach families or kids during the tryouts. Especially ones that were already listed as being on a team. I thought Shark week was only on TV. |
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imperial
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 16:57:21
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Originally posted by dmb350
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
Only a small percentage of attendees never get selected for any team.
I disagree and I'm not sure where your information is coming from but it's wrong. Many of the kids don't get on teams. It's not rec ball and the coaches arent forced to take whatever player they get assigned. If it was that easy to play at ECB then everyone would. There were over 175 14U kids last year and I guarantee most weren't "put" on a team. The teams at ECB are independent and choose their own players. The ECB program has no say so over them regarding who they put on their team.
Have to agree with DMB350 - last year at 13u there were more kids that didn't make than did. Most teams are looking for 2-3 players at best by the time the try-outs roll around. Been there, done it. |
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loveforthegame25
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 17:55:15
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| Agree with dmb. And if you haven't heard by now you probably won't. And they do not assign kids to teams. That's misinformation |
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Goin Deep
140 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2011 : 19:22:07
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| There is no actual "draft" exactly...The Astros will "select who they want, and then other teams head for the phone booths at breakneck speed. More dont nake it than do. |
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teddy41
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 20:15:20
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| there will be after the tryout, tryouts coming next i am sure. how many astro teams will there be as i have heard between 1 and 4 for older ages |
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coachdan06
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 00:32:28
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from what weve always heared not near everyone wants to play at ecb - some one here said "if it was easy everyone would be at ecb"
not so !
it is good for some maybe and not for others too , it depends where you live what coach you want to play for or not play for and your familys importance on youth baseball as a part of there lifestyle
truth is that theres a lotta real good baseball going on all over town folks ! |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 09:45:10
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Coachdan,
You took my statement out of context. I never said that everyone "wanted" to play at ECB or that there isnt good baseball elsewhere. My son played several seasons at ECB only to leave for better program teams that have repeatedly beat all ECB teams except for the Astros on a regular basis.
My statement was meant only to include those that DO want to play at ECB and go to the tryouts but can't make a team. They wouldn't be there paying to tryout if they didn't want to be on an ECB team and that is who I was talking about.
Someone made the statement that almost every player gets "put" on a team even if no offers are made by the coaches and that is NOT the case at ECB, not by a long shot. So I was mearly stating that if it was as easy as paying and showing up to get on a team at ECB then everyone who wants to play there would pay their $100 and then just like rec ball, welcome to ECB. It's actually the opposite of that since it's a small percentage that do get picked. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 11:56:38
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DBM,
I have been in the draft room and specifically heard Guerry go through the entire list of players and on every one that a team did not have picked, he said "tell me why this kid is not good enough to play on any team here. I need to know what to tell his parents when they call and want to know." He then would say "Hey so-and-so team, you only have 12 players, you need some others. Take this kid."
Whether the coach actually follows up on calling the player or not, I cannot confirm, but I have left seeing very few (the definition of very few can be subjective. I categorize less than 10 out of 150 as very few) that did not have some team they were assigned to.
I have seen a lot of kids that were only interested in one or two teams not get picked by those teams, but get interest from others. They decide to not take the offer from the teams that were interested and do not show as picked by anyone when the draft takes place.
Others make it clear during tryous that they are there only for these one or two teams and all other teams stop being interested. They also show up as not being picked by any team.
What I think we are starting to see over there now is more kids showing up for a particular age group than the park can support. Just doing simple math, if you have 10 teams (once you get past 10 teams in any age group, it is hard to get field time for everyone. This has always been a point of contention.)and 175 kids show up, that is 17.5 kids per team. Most people will argue that 17-18 players is too many for a team, particularly at the younger ages.
So do you expand the teams to 15? If so, is having one field practice slot a week acceptable (use of cages and mounds would be available separately)? I would expect most to say "NO".
Well, do you limit the number of kids at the tryouts? If so, do you only take the first 140? Would that be based on who registers first? Whether they had played at EC before? Or the best 140? |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 12:56:25
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Dr. Old,
You are correct that there have been occasions where Guerry may ask that coaches consider certain players but in the end all teams except the Astros and Titans (at 13/14U and up) are independent contractors and there is no obligation for a coach to take a player.
Fact is, there is no team at ECB that goes into tryouts needing to fill every spot on the roster. Most only need between 1-5 so multiply that by say 10 teams and thats 50 players tops picked from 140+ at tryouts for any one age group. Realistically it's more like 20-30 on average leaving between 75-100+ having simply supported the program with the clinic/tryout payment.
To support my statement consider all the "workouts" posted prior to the ECB tryouts by ECB teams AND the "workouts" still being advertised now that it's done. There would be no need if they were forced to take players by the ECB staff.
I'm done now, believe what you want but I've seen MANY players I know personally from my coaching days that couldn't break into the ECB program thru the tryouts. Again, if it was as easy as paying and showing up then everyone who wanted to play at ECB would but many can't because they aren't good enough or are overlooked. |
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 14:00:03
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| It's a clinic folks....not a tryout. Hence the fundraising aspect...and boy, what a nice chunk of change($15k) to haul in for limited to "no" actual instruction. That's right...it's not about instruction either...it's about the "Quan". |
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jbc
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 14:20:57
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| The original question was for 16u's, and having just gone through 16u tryouts for the 1st time, our experience was more like what DMB said than Old School. We got a call Sat. night with an offer, then on Sun. night, a coach called to give another offer. My son sd. he wanted to play for team that made 1st offer. When I called the 1st coach Sun. night, he sd. "You need to email me too, so I'll have something to show in the draft." When I asked what that meant, he sd. the coaches would meet, not to draft players, but to be certain that everyone either was at least on an "offer list" or a "don't offer" list. He sd. the purpose was to ensure everyone was at least evaluated. When I called the 2d coach to say thanks but no thanks, he sd. he was only looking for 4 players; had 14 on roster already.....Your mileage may vary, bc while my son is good enough to get an offer, he's not Astros/Titans quality, so the two coaches who offered knew they weren't getting in the way of Astros. 2d coach even sd. that's why he could offer on Sun. night, instead of waiting a day or two. He sd. with some boys, he'd have to wait to see whether Astros offered them. Hope this helps. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:13:15
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DMB,
In a slight variation to this, I have seen two different phenomenon I get concerned about:
1) I have seen "Major" level kids get sandwiched out and not picked by any team. (Not a large # of kids, but have seen this the last couple years.)
This seems to happen when a Major player, who is good enough to play on one of the top teams, is not picked by those teams during the tryout. The lower teams assume they will be picked by one of the top teams and do not recruit them. Once the dust settles these players are left without a team at all. Two things seem to cause this, one is when you have a team from the previous year deciding to not move up. This leaves a whole team of kids looking for another team. The other reason for this, I believe, is a by-product of the second phenomenon.
2) Collective Bargaining between coaches merging teams from the previous year. Two teams with 5-6 players merge into one team, but leave behind an entire team worth of players. While you may have other new teams joining the mix, the late announcement of the merger gives little time for the players being squeezed out to evaluate them.
These phenomenon seem to also cause teams to get shuffled year after year because most of the time you end up with a team of good, instructive coaches, and average talented players, or average instructing coaches with above average talent. |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:53:33
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Dr. Oldschool,
I agree completely. I've seen the first scenario play out more than once. Kids who should have been on a top team get passed on then end up with no offers at all. The tryout/clinic is really secondary IMO to getting on a team regardless of which one. Astros, Titans ect… if your kid is good enough he needs to be going the private viewing route to really be seen. Contacting the teams early is key. It is just a fundraiser after all regardless of what they call it. |
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itsaboutbb
164 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 21:45:34
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| Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget. |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 22:57:16
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Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget.
Yep, true. The coach will get a list of all players that didn't pay/attend and the team will get the bill and it will be added to your budget payments or the coach may just have you pay it prior to that. ECB gets that money no matter what. It is separate from the team budget and separate from the player registration cost too. |
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reallycoach
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 08:44:29
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| One other reason major level kids are left behind. Parents. Some parents creat such a distraction that coaches can not focus on the training. This comes back to haunt players at the 12 + age groups as thier parents behavior is exposed. It's sad for the players, but unfair to the other players to take on a distraction knowing there is going to be an issue. |
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AA17Dad
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 09:05:04
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Originally posted by itsaboutbb
Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget.
Yep we have played on 2 EC teams and have never been to a try-out. But we did have to pay the fee once on the team. |
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bmartin1192
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 13:02:37
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| I took my son to the ECB tryouts and he was asked back out by the Astros for a 2nd look, they passed but he got picked up by the Titans. We found out the very next day after the Astros passed on him. But then I had 2 friends of mine also take their kids to the tryouts and they just got a call this past Sunday from a coach of one of the 13u teams. Both were picked upo by the same team. The coach told them he had just got the list of kids still available from ECB. Dont know why it would take ECB 2 weeks to give any of their coaches the available list, but I guess it can take that long... |
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dmb350
135 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 19:35:31
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| Well I would guess that the coach that called was probably waiting on other players to make a decision (happens a lot) and once they passed he went down the "list" looking for other potential candidates. Easier to blame ECB than to tell a player that he wasn't your first choice. Trust me, you've seen it first hand bmartin, if your kid is good enough you'll know pretty quick. The "list" is irrelevant. |
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Goin Deep
140 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 10:14:10
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"All tryout attendees being taken" has never com out of his mouth....I have seen plenty of kids with NO business being out there. Simply overmatched. This is not rec ball where everyone gets a spot. quote:
Originally posted by jongamefan
Sons + wife + I had a good talk about ecb for couple weeks before the "tryouts"
We thought it would be 'get in now this fall that weekend or be out of loop' that was the impression given out on this thread
From north central Gwinnett obviously that is a trek to and from , passed on going over part cuz the gasoline was 50% of the tryout
But : look at tryout notices this morning their are 5 or 6 teams still soliciting for players in their 16 and unders + in my opinion their will be additional teams searching quietly
Why is this : after the huge mass of people running over there in a panic that weekend how could their not be enough to cover all the teams and then a few more : policies were mentioned on this thread about the ecb owner insisting all tryout atendees being taken etc
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