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AA17Dad

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Posted - 06/27/2011 :  20:02:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is the formula used in pool play to set pools and who play's who?

Dr. Old School

314 Posts

Posted - 06/27/2011 :  23:24:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
USSSA points serpentined through the pools.
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G-Man

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Posted - 06/28/2011 :  03:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It should be based on teams Usssa points. Even though thats what it states in Usssa guidelines that is not always the case.


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Originally posted by AA17Dad

What is the formula used in pool play to set pools and who play's who?

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AA17Dad

211 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2011 :  08:26:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I understand that the the USSSA points are used, I just cant figure out the formula.

1st in points 1st seed pool A
2nd in points 1st seed pool B
3rd in points 2nd seed pool A
4th 2nd B
5th 3rd A

and so on, is this the way it is supposed to be?
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in_the_know

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Posted - 06/28/2011 :  09:58:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So assume it like this.

Team A has 12 points
Team B has 11
Team C has 10
Team D has 9
Team E has 8
Team F has 7
Team G has 6
Team H has 5
Team I has 4
Team J has 3
Team K has 2
Team L has 1

Pool A would have
Team A
Team F
Team G
Team L

Pool B would have
Team B
Team E
Team H
Team K

Pool C would have
Team C
Team D
Team I
Team J

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baserunner

115 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2011 :  11:46:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by in_the_know

So assume it like this.

Team A has 12 points
Team B has 11
Team C has 10
Team D has 9
Team E has 8
Team F has 7
Team G has 6
Team H has 5
Team I has 4
Team J has 3
Team K has 2
Team L has 1

Pool A would have
Team A
Team F
Team G
Team L

Pool B would have
Team B
Team E
Team H
Team K

Pool C would have
Team C
Team D
Team I
Team J





What happens if you have teams of different classes in the same tournament? How is it suppose to work then? Can a AAA team with more USSSA points get preferred seeding over a majors team?
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rippit

667 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2011 :  12:39:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by baserunner

quote:
Originally posted by in_the_know

So assume it like this.

Team A has 12 points
Team B has 11
Team C has 10
Team D has 9
Team E has 8
Team F has 7
Team G has 6
Team H has 5
Team I has 4
Team J has 3
Team K has 2
Team L has 1

Pool A would have
Team A
Team F
Team G
Team L

Pool B would have
Team B
Team E
Team H
Team K

Pool C would have
Team C
Team D
Team I
Team J





What happens if you have teams of different classes in the same tournament? How is it suppose to work then? Can a AAA team with more USSSA points get preferred seeding over a majors team?



No...
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coachtony

236 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2011 :  19:43:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rippit

quote:
Originally posted by baserunner

quote:
Originally posted by in_the_know

So assume it like this.

Team A has 12 points
Team B has 11
Team C has 10
Team D has 9
Team E has 8
Team F has 7
Team G has 6
Team H has 5
Team I has 4
Team J has 3
Team K has 2
Team L has 1

Pool A would have
Team A
Team F
Team G
Team L

Pool B would have
Team B
Team E
Team H
Team K

Pool C would have
Team C
Team D
Team I
Team J





What happens if you have teams of different classes in the same tournament? How is it suppose to work then? Can a AAA team with more USSSA points get preferred seeding over a majors team?



No...



I think you are right in theory, but history proves that it is left up to the TD. Some TD's will seed the highest A team below the lowest AA team.....but others will mix them up and simply use points (it is happening in the World Series that we are playing in right this minute). USSSA tournaments plainly state "The exact format (i.e.; number of pools, quantity of teams in each pool, etc.), will be set by the Tournament Director following USSSA Baseball Guidelines." but I am not sure what those guidelines say.

Now, on the other hand, every time I have ever had questions about the pools I have been able to ask the TD and he has ALWAYS had an answer that was legitimate...even if I didn't agree with it, I could see how he arrived at those pools.

But this is just my $.02

--T

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ECB_Insider

54 Posts

Posted - 06/28/2011 :  23:09:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Baserunner,
No, that is not subjective. The rankings require you put the highest AAA team below the lowest Major team, and so forth. Any TD that is not doing that is in violation of USSSA rules.

The only thing that is up to the discression of the TD is the number of pools and pool games they want to offer.

Edited by - ECB_Insider on 06/29/2011 08:25:52
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