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Longhorn Fan
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 Posted - 05/15/2010 : 23:35:19
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| I know that tournament organizers are there to make money but also need to be there for the kids. I am not all about trophies but if you are going to give them out, at least do it right. The Super NIT trophies in Atanta were great. The Super NIT trophies in Tallahassee were terrible. They did not even recognize the name of the tournament that was won. Also, why is it that each team is forced to participate in their respective state tournaments? They do not have to win, just participate. Why is that? Are you telling me three Super NIT Championships is not good enough? Why would they have to participate? Could it be about the money? We were told that even if our team and only one other signed up for it, we would still have to pay the entry and play that team. If it is not about the money, then why would something like this have to happen. When we started this season, our focus was USSSA because we were under the assumption that the best teams would always be playing in the USSSA tournaments and those were the tournaments we were focused on. Evidently USSSA is not treating their customers the way they should be and it is costing them. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2010 : 11:51:57
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You have hit at least a couple of the nails on the head. I for one think these nails are the nails in the usssa coffin in Ga.
We do not play usssa tourneys anymore and are a much happier group for it for a number of reasons that have been listed here many times. I know many other coaches,teams and parents who feel the same way. |
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Titan1
210 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2010 : 17:50:45
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| Usssa is a business and the only thing they care about is money. I have been very disappointed by them this entire year |
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ss7
28 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2010 : 20:34:08
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| Triple Crown tourneys are getting the most hype. That is what it seems like |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:18:16
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| Papa thinks Triple Crown should go down and have a meeting with Mickey Mouse at Disney and see if Mickey would be interested in having a organization put on a real tournament at the complex. I do want to say that Bubba has been the best director that Georgia has ever has but he might be too little too late as far as Georgia is concerned. |
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BTO
97 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 08:25:47
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Triple Crown has no post season climax that attracts anyone to their tournaments. The dates (March-1 April-2, May-1 and June-1)and the venues(ATPP,E.C.,Larry Bell, Jacket,etc..) draw the best teams. Some of the fields TC uses are average at best but he has the field space. The number of fields they a mass for these Triple Crown tournaments is the only way they make it happen. You cant hold 30 teams per age group on 4 fields. The Forsyth County Slugfest and Atlanta Super NIT draw big numbers/big competition early in the year (March Only). It just seems that USSSA can't pool together enough fields other than these two events mentioned. If Triple Crown was playing out of Lavioia or Villa Rica they would not draw anything. They have the Venue's and Dates plain and simple. Tony runs a great tournament but so does Bubba. I have great respect for both of them. They both are first class and always try to get it right.
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Sox
55 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 12:27:13
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| USSSA is just out for Money, In the beginning they came up with a better system than anyone else and everybody fell for, They had a ranking system that rewarded you for just paying and playing, The more you played the more points you got, Nothing more. If you win a berth to the World Series you still have to play in your State tournament, More Money! At AAA and below you have to play in your Sub-State and State tournament, More Money! For what reason other than more money, When you go to the Super NIT, it cost more than 600.00 per player to play, I know other things come with that but the team don't have any say so to take a lower package, We Play AABC, You have to play in the State (225.00), Region (225.00) and if you win both of those you earn a berth to the World Series (Free in Pureto Rico) 20 Round Trip Airline Tickets plus Hotel and Food. At one time USSSA had the Monopoly on youth baseball here in the metro area, and when we thought that going to the USSSA website and seeing our team being rank in the top ten it would mean sonething so we kept on playing and continued to get beat out of our money, I know that the directors of the USSSA tournament were at one time rude and non reponsive and took all of us for granted (Georgia) and we would stand there and take it while making them rich. If you think about the amount of Money in the years past the Super NIT would bring in and the Level of service you would recieve, We must have lost our mines. We are all trying to go to the Super NIT and win, While still paying out another 10,000.00 Plus to USSSA. I still think alot of these other tournament are over priced but the Service is much better and they don't take you for granted, Triple Crown is on the High Side but you don't feel screwed when the tournament is over and they didn't come up with a gimmick to make you want to play, They just try to get it right every weekend. If you compare USSSA Alabama to USSSA Georgia, it's like comparing apples to oranges, USSSA Alabama will give you a 4 game guarantee (Most Tournaments), A free dozen of baseballs and it's any where from 100.00 to 150.00 cheaper that USSSA Georgia. Do I think USSSA Georgia Baseball is Dead, the answer is YES! Thank God! |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 13:16:16
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| Another thing to think about is independent unsanctioned tournaments, our team played Triple Crown this weekend at ATPP and between games or whenever I got a chance I ran down to Larry Bell for the 6-4-3 Invite. We have some very close friends who play for the Bandits and I will say that this was a small tournament but VERY well run. I think 90% of the time teams enter tournaments to play baseball, especially after they have received the berth their team is seeking. I wonder why we don't see more independent tournaments? Is it the points system? This tournament coming up in Winder is sure to be a great tourney but I wonder if any teams would/wouldn't show up if was an unsanctioned event?? Seems to me like if the TD could bring the talent it wouldn't matter to anybody who's label was on the tournament.... |
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Yankeeclipper
10 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 14:08:08
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Is Triple Crown not a business? Are the tournaments for free? Last time I looked, they charge many times more than USSSA!
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Originally posted by Titan1
Usssa is a business and the only thing they care about is money. I have been very disappointed by them this entire year
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DecaturDad
619 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 18:09:21
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Originally posted by Spartan4
Another thing to think about is independent unsanctioned tournaments,
How do you find out about the unsactioned tournaments? Thay are not all listed on this site. |
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BTO
97 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 18:43:50
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| Clipper- I am with you. All of these guys are in it for the money. Everyone needs to quit "just" pointing the finger at USSSA. The almighty dollar is green for all TD's. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 21:44:27
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Spartan4:
There are non-sanctioned events at Dobbs Creek Park and Cumming City Park in Forsyth County all the time. This weekends 11U's are nearly sold out with 11 or 12 teams committed. They are always AA/AAA events because that's what sells. Some of the revenue is plowed back into the facility for improvements. Thanks to the teams that have played tourneys there, the park now has 2 batting cages, 8 soft toss stations, and soon...real dugout covers! We're going uptown..look out East Cobb and ATPP 
Thanks to all the teams that have played there, and that will play there in the future! |
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Titan1
210 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 21:58:21
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Yes Triple crown is a business but they run the best tournaments in Georgia because they always seem to put the teams first. Usssa is the opposite. Its only my opinion you are welcome to yours.
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Originally posted by Yankeeclipper
Is Triple Crown not a business? Are the tournaments for free? Last time I looked, they charge many times more than USSSA!
quote:
Originally posted by Titan1
Usssa is a business and the only thing they care about is money. I have been very disappointed by them this entire year
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6bomber
68 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2010 : 22:56:33
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that's the way to go. cater to the aa/ aaa teams and give them a good experience. a lot of teams in our area have gone
to smaller orgs. we have a couple new orgs putting on tournaments in the area and they can draw 8-10 teams each.
hopefully some teams will make the trip to panama city, whether it's the SIMPLY THE BEST or GRAND SLAM world series
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2010 : 13:40:28
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I agree Triple Crown and Nations puts a better tournament on and they do seem to care more about the kids with some of the rules they have in place. The organization that realizes its more about the kids than their bank accounts will find themselves running to the bank more often than the others. However I dont know thats its Usssa or just some of the tournament directors who work for Usssa.
Out of all the Usssa we have played in many states. I have only found one tournament director that really cares about the kids and really treated the teams that played in his tournaments with respect and appreciation. However he is no longer with Usssa and is now with Nations running a lot of top tournaments in North Florida.
Right now Triple Crown in Georgia is leading the way with the approach they are taking as it relates to teams, players, parents, overall tournament experience and Triple Crown personnel running these events. Its seems based on the many post I have read plus comments by parents and coaches that Usssa is running themselves out of markets. Not only in Georgia but I have friends as far as Texas and Nevada that have said Usssa is not the top dog any more because of some of the same issues that are being faced here in Georgia.
Its a business fact that a company is only as good as the employees it employs. So in my opinion its not always the company that is the problem but the people it employs. So if Usssa wants to keep its market shares I think they need to take a hard look at those individuals it puts in to place. I think for all organizations they need to realize that its not about the tournament directors own personal opinions/feelings or bank accounts. Its about the kids, parents and teams.
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Originally posted by Titan1
Yes Triple crown is a business but they run the best tournaments in Georgia because they always seem to put the teams first. Usssa is the opposite. Its only my opinion you are welcome to yours.
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Originally posted by Yankeeclipper
Is Triple Crown not a business? Are the tournaments for free? Last time I looked, they charge many times more than USSSA!
quote:
Originally posted by Titan1
Usssa is a business and the only thing they care about is money. I have been very disappointed by them this entire year
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hutch
7 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2010 : 14:03:14
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| The USSSA director in Central FL does an AWESOME job. Saunders you are the man! Keep up the great work. |
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strikezone
6 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2010 : 14:37:51
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Very True Hutch! USSSA is alive and well in Central Florida. William is the king of hospitality at his events. |
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docknorman
8 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2010 : 15:35:29
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| It is a business, no doubt....but I have not had a bad experience with USSSA tournaments at all...just my 2 cents. |
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JimShwatz
34 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2010 : 23:09:13
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| One question... where do the wives buy gas? Probably QT! Why- because they are greeted with a "hello" and felt welcome! The same can be said for Tony and Triple Crown! You will go where you feel appreciated! |
Edited by - JimShwatz on 05/27/2010 23:39:45 |
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2010 : 05:02:28
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Tony BY FAR is the best tournament director around these parts.
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Originally posted by JimShwatz
One question... where do the wives buy gas? Probably QT! Why- because they are greeted with a "hello" and felt welcome! The same can be said for Tony and Triple Crown! You will go where you feel appreciated!
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HAWKS8
70 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2010 : 15:55:47
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| I believe USSSA has been consistantly going down hill. That is why you find teams playing the majority if the games with other organizations. You can tell that by the number of points some of the elite teams have with USSSA. I see a lot of teams on the rankings that are nowhere near the position they should be. The reason for that is the better teams do not play a lot of USSSA tournaments. Once in a while when there is nothing else to play and it is close we will jump in one, but for the most part, it is never that well run and DEFINATELY not worth the money. They should stick to AA and below for what they have to offer. Nations, Grand Slam and from what I hear Triple Crown are all much better ran and the TD seem to really care that you have a good experience. For me and my boys that are 11, that is what it is about. Jeff with USSSA scheduled games for teams that were driving an hour at 8:00 AM. All so he could get the championship game in at 4:00. Give me a break. Make the early game a normal time and push the championship time back to 5 or 6. Those are much more acceptable times for people to travel. Getting 11 year olds up at 5:00 to drive to a tournament, play at 8:00 and then if you win, sit around for 4 hours to play the next game is not what I would consider a well run tournament. All the other organizations I play in do not start games till 9 at the earliest. Poor organization. |
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2010 : 20:39:06
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| I would have to say that it seems like TC and Nations Baseball are doing the best job this year. The venues and the scheduling and even the umps seem better. |
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 03:25:17
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I agree with the TC events. I havent been to any of the Nations events yet here in Georgia. The TC event in Pooler this weekend as usual was run very well. I was told TC would put on more tournaments in Southern Georgia if they could get the team commitments. However with the lack of teams in Southern Georgia its hard to attract enough teams.
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Originally posted by Whitlow
I would have to say that it seems like TC and Nations Baseball are doing the best job this year. The venues and the scheduling and even the umps seem better.
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 05/31/2010 : 08:39:57
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In Atlanta, I would rank Nations #1 and Triple Crown a very close second. My only question about Nations would be can they attract quality teams on a consistent basis like Triple Crown does.
The Winder invitational this past weekend was the best tournament so far this year in my opinion. The complex we played in was a 4 leaf clover and at the beginning of the day on Sunday, all 4 fields had great matchups being played simultaneously. Bmoser, you would have been in Heaven !! Sorry you missed it. |
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Coach D
167 Posts |
Posted - 05/31/2010 : 16:53:00
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We havent played but a couple of Nations tournaments however both were the best ran we have attended ,
maybe it was just the umpires we had that w/e but they were the best of any tournament--I also agree that the competition level is not as great, Hopefully the word will get out that they run better tournaments and they will start having a better draw. We have played mostly USSSA tournaments and I have to say they were all pretty fair except for this past w/e in Hidden Valley, I guess its all up to the TD. |
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barsred98
116 Posts |
Posted - 06/01/2010 : 10:54:54
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| The Nations tournaments seem to have much more qualified umpires. Those at USSSA tourney in Fairview this weekend did not know basic baseball rules let alone how to call a strike zone. |
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