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HOME RUN HITTER
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 Posted - 03/09/2010 : 14:25:14
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This post is not about who's ball is bigger. It is about some good things that
happened at the slugfest. My family had a GREAT weekend at the slugfest (11AAA)
with good umpires. Thank you for the post Moser!! It brought a smile to my son's
face when I told him someone posted about his home run (slow,fast or change up). |
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bbfan31
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 15:39:56
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
This is turning into a My ball is bigger than your ball thing. Papa is not a big home run hitter guy as some can hit the ball a long way against weak pitching but do they have the swing to hit a great pitcher. I want to teach my grandsons how to swing the bat, how to work a count to their favor, how to recognize a change up and how to get their hands to the ball at the right time and then the homers will come but their batting average will not suffer while they are trying to see how far they can hit it. Homers are fun to watch but championships are won with pitching and defense.
amen to that. It's more impressive to see a player hitting over .500 with line drives to the gaps than a big kid who has a big loopy swing, hits a bomb against weaker pitching, but strikes out against top pitching. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 15:40:41
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PaPa,
Pitching and defense wins most of the time, and certainly over the long haul, but not all the time, especially in a short time span like a tourney. If 1 teams bats get hot, those bats can offset a lot of walks and errors. The Slugfest's 11U AAA was a great example. I think Duluth will tell you that they played less than stellar defense, and issued way too many walks but their bats got hot at the rigt time and the homers they hit were huge |
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 16:24:29
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Originally posted by Season
Slugfest 11U AAA fences were 250' and two players on the Wildcats Gwinnett team hit homers and a third Wildcat player came 10' short from going deep
I think the fences were more like 220' to 230' but not 250' |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 21:51:26
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| Whitlow: The 12U major was playing on fields that were 225' and there were a ton of home runs hit and the Bandits hit as many as anyone and Homerunhitter I did not mean to take anything away from the home runs as they are always special especially when your child hits them. I have a T-shirt that says "MY GRANDSON HIT A HOME RUN IN COOPERSTOWN" I may have my wife bury me in this shirt and place the home run ball in the box with me. And of course my man moser is right on as usual, sometimes the walk off homer comes in handy for that big win. But guys we just keep reminding each other of why we keep coming back and that's you never know what will happen in this game next. But I will stick by my point that I was trying to make and that is "Pitching and defense wins championships." |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/09/2010 : 22:23:09
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Aside from the seconds immediately following a winning game, I think the joy of celebrating a homer is right up there as one of those special events where the overwhelming joy just seems to spill out all over the field and stands. Its especially fun if its the boys first home run. The double play, a spectacular catch, stealing home, close play at the plate are all so special. I wish every boy got to experience the home run at least once. I was surprised to see so many at Slugfest in the cold weather. The roar of the crowd is unmistakable when a homer goes out. Thanks for sharing your stories.
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2010 : 17:13:28
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I have not heard of shaving but bat rolling is just helping to accelerate the breakin period isnt it? Its not modifying the bat in any way, Is it against any rules ?quote:
Originally posted by Bandit13
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Originally posted by Rocky
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Originally posted by Scoremore
Just one question....do the USSSA tournaments have a device to "check" for altered bats if questioned? More and more are popping up and I know for a fact, one big named major team pulls them out when they're behind. I always wanted to protest but tournaments do not have any way of checking these bats. 200-225 ft homers are believable but 295'? Everyone on our team has hit at least 200+ and a few can easily hit over 225...with unaltered bats.
How can a bat be altered at the 11U age group, Just wondering? Are we talking about shaving a bat or something?
I don't have any first hand experience with this but I've heard that bats can be taken to a machine shop to be "shaved" or "rolled". The shaved process is supposed to make the walls of the bat thinner and the rolled process is supposed to help you break the composite bat in without hitting it hundreds of times. Either way, I don't like the lesson being taught to the player ...
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 00:07:58
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| No bat rolling is not against the rules, but it will probably decrease the life of the bat. They discovered the composite bats increased th batted ball speed after breakin and now they roll the bats before testing them. So I think a lot of the newer composites will not be as hot because they are being testing more accurately. According the prof at the Physics and Acoustics of baseball and softball bats website the suggested method is to use a bat hammer. Shaving a bat is definitely illegal and could be dangerous. I would hope this is not being done in youth sports, but I have heard it is done in mens softball. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 08:28:36
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Im curious,, Does anyone know about this bat rolling thing?I dont know anyone that has used it. If it does not modify the bat , is it illegle? Does it even work ? somebody out here must know something about it ??quote:
Originally posted by BBall123
I have not heard of shaving but bat rolling is just helping to accelerate the breakin period isnt it? Its not modifying the bat in any way, Is it against any rules ?quote:
Originally posted by Bandit13
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Originally posted by Rocky
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Originally posted by Scoremore
Just one question....do the USSSA tournaments have a device to "check" for altered bats if questioned? More and more are popping up and I know for a fact, one big named major team pulls them out when they're behind. I always wanted to protest but tournaments do not have any way of checking these bats. 200-225 ft homers are believable but 295'? Everyone on our team has hit at least 200+ and a few can easily hit over 225...with unaltered bats.
How can a bat be altered at the 11U age group, Just wondering? Are we talking about shaving a bat or something?
I don't have any first hand experience with this but I've heard that bats can be taken to a machine shop to be "shaved" or "rolled". The shaved process is supposed to make the walls of the bat thinner and the rolled process is supposed to help you break the composite bat in without hitting it hundreds of times. Either way, I don't like the lesson being taught to the player ...
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 14:02:38
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| Papa tried shaving the Chain Saw's bat and kept damaging my razor. Now I am not getting that clean close shave with my razor. |
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bturner
231 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 15:23:15
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I will tell you yes it does work. Is it legal? I have no idea but would think it is because the bat is not altered in any way.
A kid at the field had a Triton that was done and the ball was jumping off of it.
He told me a some sporting good store had a roller. He said that but the bat inside and through compression it breaks the inner walls.quote:
Originally posted by BBall123
Im curious,, Does anyone know about this bat rolling thing?I dont know anyone that has used it. If it does not modify the bat , is it illegle? Does it even work ? somebody out here must know something about it ??quote:
Originally posted by BBall123
I have not heard of shaving but bat rolling is just helping to accelerate the breakin period isnt it? Its not modifying the bat in any way, Is it against any rules ?quote:
Originally posted by Bandit13
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Originally posted by Rocky
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Originally posted by Scoremore
Just one question....do the USSSA tournaments have a device to "check" for altered bats if questioned? More and more are popping up and I know for a fact, one big named major team pulls them out when they're behind. I always wanted to protest but tournaments do not have any way of checking these bats. 200-225 ft homers are believable but 295'? Everyone on our team has hit at least 200+ and a few can easily hit over 225...with unaltered bats.
How can a bat be altered at the 11U age group, Just wondering? Are we talking about shaving a bat or something?
I don't have any first hand experience with this but I've heard that bats can be taken to a machine shop to be "shaved" or "rolled". The shaved process is supposed to make the walls of the bat thinner and the rolled process is supposed to help you break the composite bat in without hitting it hundreds of times. Either way, I don't like the lesson being taught to the player ...
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 16:00:46
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Yes, it works. Softball players have been doing it for years. Typically a composite bat doesn't reach it's maximum "pop" until it is broken in. They tends to take about 150+ balls hit from about 35+ mph pitching (you'll hear various numbers, but these are in the ballpark). It has been found that "rolling" (which is exactly how it sounds, the bat barrel is rolled between other barrels in a machine under pressure) provides the same effect without having to hit balls. You can find various places that will do this for around $30 for you. In addition to the shortcut of breaking the bat in, rolling also ensures that the barrel is broken in evenly whereas hitting balls doesn't guarantee this.
As to the legality, read the link below.
http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1873010
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Scoremore
18 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2010 : 19:26:13
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| But shaving a bat is NOT legal and when you know of a team that uses them it is discouraging that there is nothing in place to catch them. We are getting to the age that someone can really get hurt, no matter how good the fielder is, these ball fly. I’ve even seen a quarter of a swing jump to the outfield with ease. Put that bat in a bigger, stronger, full swing and someone could get hurt. Hearing of 300ft homeruns by an 11 yr old really makes you wonder how many out there are using them….. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 08:33:53
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Wow ! Thats some great info. I had no idea. Ok What "is" shaving? you would think that this would leave obvious visible signs that it has been done to a bat ?quote:
Originally posted by Scoremore
But shaving a bat is NOT legal and when you know of a team that uses them it is discouraging that there is nothing in place to catch them. We are getting to the age that someone can really get hurt, no matter how good the fielder is, these ball fly. I’ve even seen a quarter of a swing jump to the outfield with ease. Put that bat in a bigger, stronger, full swing and someone could get hurt. Hearing of 300ft homeruns by an 11 yr old really makes you wonder how many out there are using them…..
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bulldogbaseball100
59 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 09:31:41
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| I was also told that you can create much more pop if you take off the end cap, stuff the bat with racket balls and glue the end cap back on. I'm assuming my leg was being pulled? |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 11:28:22
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| Back in Papa's day there was a softball that was produced that we called the Hot Dot. If the softball had this dot on it the ball would jump off the bat and I have seen softballs hit by men that couldn't come close to a home run without the ball. I understand that there was a third baseman in Texas that was killed due to this very ball. The ball was outlawed never to be used again. We should not ever allow anything that would put any of these kids in danger and we should not have to ask that we police this ourselves. If you know this is being done just stop it now so no one gets hurt. |
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 12:24:07
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Originally posted by Scoremore
But shaving a bat is NOT legal and when you know of a team that uses them it is discouraging that there is nothing in place to catch them. We are getting to the age that someone can really get hurt, no matter how good the fielder is, these ball fly. I’ve even seen a quarter of a swing jump to the outfield with ease. Put that bat in a bigger, stronger, full swing and someone could get hurt. Hearing of 300ft homeruns by an 11 yr old really makes you wonder how many out there are using them…..
I can't speak for the others but the one kid that hit six is for real and doesn't need any special bat to do it and he is capable and probably has hit it 300 ft. There were several that went well beyond the fences at the slugfest. He is treat to watch, but scary to play against at times because of the velocity the balls come off his bat. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 15:17:26
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| What is shaving ? |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 20:27:02
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| BBall123: That is where you get up in the morning, put shaving cream on your face and use a razor to remove the shaving cream. But I do remember getting in trouble back in my playing games as I was accused of something called shaving points. I didn't even know that I had done it as I thought that I was just having a bad game. |
Edited by - baseballpapa on 03/15/2010 08:59:31 |
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Scoremore
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Posted - 03/14/2010 : 22:27:08
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Shaving is not done to the outside of the bat, but inside making the walls lighter. It can be done in any machine shop lathe. Then they add to the end cap to match the weight. You would have to cut open the bat or remove the end cap to see if a bat was shaved. Here is a website link explaining...
http://www.worldshottestbats.com/batShaving.php
What will the fence distance be at the Atlanta Super NIT? |
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Whitlow
211 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 08:58:58
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Originally posted by BBall123
What is shaving ?
It is taking an aluminum bat and shaving down the inside to make it thinner and lighter. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 09:15:23
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Now that right there is cheating ! quote:
Originally posted by Whitlow
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Originally posted by BBall123
What is shaving ?
It is taking an aluminum bat and shaving down the inside to make it thinner and lighter.
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ecbstars
62 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 10:07:50
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| Papa-I completely agree. There have also been incidents where some one did get hurt and the bat was snached to see if it was altered. Legal troubles I am sure followed. This kind of thing really freaks me out for the safety of all the kids. BTW I still have a couple of Dudley t-4000's my dad ran across from his days on the circuit. Sound familiar? |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 12:20:31
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| Dudley T-4000 and the Hot Dot sound like the same ball to me and I am sure that your Dad had some real stories about that ball. I will tell you that we were playing a nationally ranked team at Dellinger Park in Cartersville. I was pitching and their #3 hitter hit a line shot back at me that I didn't even see but threw my glove up in a defensive position. The ball went into the glove but took the glove off my hand and the glove and ball landed between the mound and 2nd base with the ball still in the glove. "You make the call" I will tell you this and that was the last pitch that I ever threw using this ball. It could have killed or at least hurt me bad. Papa is much to pretty to get his face messed up. Oh by the way the score in that game was 56 to 42 and it was not in Papa's favor. The game ruined by ERA and I was never looked at by a major team again. How easy they forget. So when I say that we should not ever compromise the safety of these children it comes from some experience. |
Edited by - baseballpapa on 03/15/2010 13:14:55 |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 14:19:12
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| I would have no problem going back to wooden bats. Part of the problem with these new bats is they are hotter than bats 10 years ago, and those were hotter than bats 10 years before that. |
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