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baseballpapa
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 Posted - 02/25/2010 : 09:03:10
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| bturner: WH has a minor arm thing and we will not take any chances. He might could go a couple of innings this week but we probably will not take that chance. Coach Troy is super protective of these arms and we have had our share of trouble so we will be careful. |
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sharkball
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Posted - 02/26/2010 : 13:17:54
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| What does anyone know about Georgia Academy - Red? They appear to be a mixture od several teams |
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ecbstars
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 01:11:01
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Moser:
Great stuff!!! I was a big Dennis Miller fan. Awsome references! He did not last because most of his stuff was over people's heads (many times me included). Keep up the good work. If we are ever at the same venue please say hello. Maybe 13's dad can introduce us. By the way JC great number, my son wore it after me ever since 8's. No phobia here! |
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G-Man
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 03:19:07
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
bmoser: I don't if I am feeling better or worse. This thing is loaded but I do feel better in that I think we will be better prepared this year than we were last year when the Glory came in with their big guns blazing.
What do you think about us getting the Astros right out of the gate in the Triple Crown. Probably as good a time as any in my opinion but it would not have hurt my feelings to wait. I think that we will be more mentally ready because of these 12U tournaments we have entered.
I really just wish we could get all of our pitchers well. WH can't pitch this weekend and TC couldn't pitch last. I think we will be all right once they all get ready.
This week will our toughest week in a long time and I can't wait to see how the kids react to the hype.
Papa I wish I could tell you that MBA is just like Glory's big guns last year but I cant. MBA is much better than Glory was last year from top to bottom. MBA is made up of the top quarter Glory players, Top quarter RBI Hawks and some 11u Major kids from last years Bobcats. They are deep in pitching, have power, solid defensively but much slower speed wise than last years Glory.
Since that tournament up north in early fall where the Bombers beat MBA they have lost some dead weight and added some fire power. Even as good as their 11u Major team is, their 12u Major team I hate to admit but they may be the best 12u Major team in the country. Its either them or Leon Medical Center. Whereas I dont 100% believe that is the case with their 11u Major team.
MBA 11u Major team is just filled with big kids. Most likely their players all turn 12 May 1st LOL. Their team however has holes and weaknesses whereas Glorys team last year didnt have those paticular holes. Most teams believe they have to throw their flame thrower against MBA, which isnt the case. By doing so all teams play right in to their hand.
In Florida every Major team can handle the HEAT. Thats why we see a steady diet of curveballs and off speed pitching with the HEAT being used as a setup pitch down here. Teams that have used this philosophy against MBA has held their run totals down. Defensively they are solid but are some times forced to play their big bats in defensive positions that can hinder them defensively.
Last years Glory team had speed over this years MBA team, but MBA this year has more power than last years Glory and no easy outs in their top 9 batting order. Also on a side note with the new additions to MBA's roster. They have a deeper pitching rotation than Glory did or they had in early fall. Hope this helps. As I mentioned in another thread if you would like specifics we will be at the Slugfest in Atlanta this weekend. I just personally think MBA should be knocked down a peg or two  |
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stinger
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 10:33:51
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Originally posted by G-Man
Papa I wish I could tell you that MBA is just like Glory's big guns last year but I cant. MBA is much better than Glory was last year from top to bottom. MBA is made up of the top quarter Glory players, Top quarter RBI Hawks and some 11u Major kids from last years Bobcats. They are deep in pitching, have power, solid defensively but much slower speed wise than last years Glory.
Since that tournament up north in early fall where the Bombers beat MBA they have lost some dead weight and added some fire power. Even as good as their 11u Major team is, their 12u Major team I hate to admit but they may be the best 12u Major team in the country. Its either them or Leon Medical Center. Whereas I dont 100% believe that is the case with their 11u Major team.
MBA 11u Major team is just filled with big kids. Most likely their players all turn 12 May 1st LOL. Their team however has holes and weaknesses whereas Glorys team last year didnt have those paticular holes. Most teams believe they have to throw their flame thrower against MBA, which isnt the case. By doing so all teams play right in to their hand.
In Florida every Major team can handle the HEAT. Thats why we see a steady diet of curveballs and off speed pitching with the HEAT being used as a setup pitch down here. Teams that have used this philosophy against MBA has held their run totals down. Defensively they are solid but are some times forced to play their big bats in defensive positions that can hinder them defensively.
Last years Glory team had speed over this years MBA team, but MBA this year has more power than last years Glory and no easy outs in their top 9 batting order. Also on a side note with the new additions to MBA's roster. They have a deeper pitching rotation than Glory did or they had in early fall. Hope this helps. As I mentioned in another thread if you would like specifics we will be at the Slugfest in Atlanta this weekend. I just personally think MBA should be knocked down a peg or two
G-Man - this is a nice post and welcome aboard, but let's not refer to 11 YOs as "dead weight" in the future. I'm sure you didn't really mean it that way, but if you were one of the kids that were dropped (or their parent) from a team, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that term being used. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 11:27:11
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GMan: Good to have you on board. You will find this a much more subdued forum than you are used to. Most of us use the forum as a tool to encourage the kids and to speak of positive type things although if there is a problem you have to speak out in order to get the problem fixed.
The scouting report on MBA Pride is right on target from what I have been hearing from 10BB and we pretty know what to expect from them at the Super NIT. Problem is with this type team knowing what they do well and stopping what they do well is two different subjects. We feel that if our pitching can hold up that we will be able to at least compete with them and really just hope that we are better prepared than we were for the Glory last year. Once we played the Glory we changed our game plan completely and as you know avenged our loss in Cooperstown.
I think at this age that there are many good teams that you can't throw the heat by. The difference with this group is that you will not get away with throwing just off speed and junk either. They must now learn to become pitchers and not throwers. They have to know how to get a good hitter off balance and how to set the batter up for his out pitch.
Should be a good match up if we can make it that far because as you know there are about 10 other teams in the same category as the Bandits and the Pride in this Super NIT. I still can't believe that USSSA only gives Georgia one Super NIT and if they don't change that soon we are going to run them out of Georgia.
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 13:51:15
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Originally posted by G-Man
Papa I wish I could tell you that MBA is just like Glory's big guns last year but I cant. MBA is much better than Glory was last year from top to bottom. MBA is made up of the top quarter Glory players, Top quarter RBI Hawks and some 11u Major kids from last years Bobcats. They are deep in pitching, have power, solid defensively but much slower speed wise than last years Glory.
Since that tournament up north in early fall where the Bombers beat MBA they have lost some dead weight and added some fire power. Even as good as their 11u Major team is, their 12u Major team I hate to admit but they may be the best 12u Major team in the country. Its either them or Leon Medical Center. Whereas I dont 100% believe that is the case with their 11u Major team.
MBA 11u Major team is just filled with big kids. Most likely their players all turn 12 May 1st LOL. Their team however has holes and weaknesses whereas Glorys team last year didnt have those paticular holes. Most teams believe they have to throw their flame thrower against MBA, which isnt the case. By doing so all teams play right in to their hand.
In Florida every Major team can handle the HEAT. Thats why we see a steady diet of curveballs and off speed pitching with the HEAT being used as a setup pitch down here. Teams that have used this philosophy against MBA has held their run totals down. Defensively they are solid but are some times forced to play their big bats in defensive positions that can hinder them defensively.
Last years Glory team had speed over this years MBA team, but MBA this year has more power than last years Glory and no easy outs in their top 9 batting order. Also on a side note with the new additions to MBA's roster. They have a deeper pitching rotation than Glory did or they had in early fall. Hope this helps. As I mentioned in another thread if you would like specifics we will be at the Slugfest in Atlanta this weekend. I just personally think MBA should be knocked down a peg or two
G-Man - this is a nice post and welcome aboard, but let's not refer to 11 YOs as "dead weight" in the future. I'm sure you didn't really mean it that way, but if you were one of the kids that were dropped (or their parent) from a team, I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate that term being used.
Stinger you are 100% correct and I stand corrected. It was late and that is a term I shouldnt have used. I should have just said they made some adjustments to their roster. Also thank you for the welcome to the board. |
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strikezone
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 14:12:11
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MBA 11's have been playing in the 12u recently with a lot of success. My understanding is that the only 11u events that they will be competing in are the Super NIT's that they have on their schedule.
The Bullets and Bolts also play up on a regular basis.
http://www.usssa.com/sports/TournamentSeedingReport.asp?TournID=605606
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 16:43:24
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Originally posted by strikezone
MBA 11's have been playing in the 12u recently with a lot of success. My understanding is that the only 11u events that they will be competing in are the Super NIT's that they have on their schedule.
The Bullets and Bolts also play up on a regular basis.
http://www.usssa.com/sports/TournamentSeedingReport.asp?TournID=605606
They have played in one 12u tournament this year and did well. However they are playing in the Battle on I-4 that is loaded with some very good 12u Major teams on March 12th before the Super NIT. This will be a good test of their team depending on their pool play schedule. Im not sure why they are not playing in more local 11u major tournaments. I know they have had some very close games against some of the 11u major teams here locally and some major blow outs as well. |
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baseballdoc
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:30:38
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Since we played on Mizuno Glory last year and are currently on MBA's 11u team, I can compare them better than anyone else. There really is no comparison! MBA has the two best [and only] pitchers that Mizuno Glory had last year. In addition, we have added one of the front line pitchers from the CF Bocats who had always been "playing up". The remaining four pitchers could be top pitchers for most major teams. Our current team has extremely more power than Glory did! Glory's number 3 and 4 hitters are now with MBA. We have consistant HR power from the 2nd batter through the 9th batter! Defensively, we are as good, if not better than Glory. Speed is nearly the same. We are also better coached, have a better attitude, and have rapidly developed good chemistry.
The question is: can we handle the Georgia Bandits? Only time will tell. I proposed a playoff between the two teams because a single game would not prove anything. I respect the Bandits and know they have a great team.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
bmoser: I don't if I am feeling better or worse. This thing is loaded but I do feel better in that I think we will be better prepared this year than we were last year when the Glory came in with their big guns blazing.
What do you think about us getting the Astros right out of the gate in the Triple Crown. Probably as good a time as any in my opinion but it would not have hurt my feelings to wait. I think that we will be more mentally ready because of these 12U tournaments we have entered.
I really just wish we could get all of our pitchers well. WH can't pitch this weekend and TC couldn't pitch last. I think we will be all right once they all get ready.
This week will our toughest week in a long time and I can't wait to see how the kids react to the hype.
Papa I wish I could tell you that MBA is just like Glory's big guns last year but I cant. MBA is much better than Glory was last year from top to bottom. MBA is made up of the top quarter Glory players, Top quarter RBI Hawks and some 11u Major kids from last years Bobcats. They are deep in pitching, have power, solid defensively but much slower speed wise than last years Glory.
Since that tournament up north in early fall where the Bombers beat MBA they have lost some dead weight and added some fire power. Even as good as their 11u Major team is, their 12u Major team I hate to admit but they may be the best 12u Major team in the country. Its either them or Leon Medical Center. Whereas I dont 100% believe that is the case with their 11u Major team.
MBA 11u Major team is just filled with big kids. Most likely their players all turn 12 May 1st LOL. Their team however has holes and weaknesses whereas Glorys team last year didnt have those paticular holes. Most teams believe they have to throw their flame thrower against MBA, which isnt the case. By doing so all teams play right in to their hand.
In Florida every Major team can handle the HEAT. Thats why we see a steady diet of curveballs and off speed pitching with the HEAT being used as a setup pitch down here. Teams that have used this philosophy against MBA has held their run totals down. Defensively they are solid but are some times forced to play their big bats in defensive positions that can hinder them defensively.
Last years Glory team had speed over this years MBA team, but MBA this year has more power than last years Glory and no easy outs in their top 9 batting order. Also on a side note with the new additions to MBA's roster. They have a deeper pitching rotation than Glory did or they had in early fall. Hope this helps. As I mentioned in another thread if you would like specifics we will be at the Slugfest in Atlanta this weekend. I just personally think MBA should be knocked down a peg or two
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 20:06:12
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G-Man and baseballdoc,
Welcome! Of the top 11u teams in Florida, which are "home grown" versus Regionally constructed? By home grown, I mean the core of the team attends same school, or played out of the same local Rec park, by Regionally constructed I mean recruited from outside a 20 minute ride to their practice field, most don't attend same school, and most never played Rec/All Stars with, or against, each other.
Also, what are the top 3 tourney orgs down there? Up here its USSSA and Triple Crown with no clear cut 3rd.
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2010 : 00:09:07
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Originally posted by bmoser
G-Man and baseballdoc,
Welcome! Of the top 11u teams in Florida, which are "home grown" versus Regionally constructed? By home grown, I mean the core of the team attends same school, or played out of the same local Rec park, by Regionally constructed I mean recruited from outside a 20 minute ride to their practice field, most don't attend same school, and most never played Rec/All Stars with, or against, each other.
Also, what are the top 3 tourney orgs down there? Up here its USSSA and Triple Crown with no clear cut 3rd.
The only home grown top 11u major team I can personally think of that is home grown is Tampa Boltz. I believe a majority of their kids play in the same league and go to school together. In my opinion and based on what I know of MBA they are more regionally grown. Of the top 12u major teams here in Florida most are regionally grown.
As for the top Org here in Florida right now its Usssa even though Nations is trying to make a big push in to the state. I know in North Florida the guy who use to run all the Usssa events up there has parted ways with Usssa and is now running top events for Nations. Triple Crown doesnt hold many events here during the year. Down in South Florida you have a lot of private held tournaments with no real organization behind them.
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baseballdoc
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 09:37:17
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bmoser:
I guess it all depends on your definition of "homegrown": What percentage of players on the roster have to attend the same school and/or play at the same park? If your answer is > 90%, then none of the top 11 teams in Florida meet that definition. I would ask: how many of the top 11 teams in Georgia are "homegrown" utilizing your definition? With the competition as it currently is, it becomes extremely difficult, if not impossible, to compete solely with a "homegrown" team. A team could be very competitive with a "homegrown" nucleus of players only if they add players from the surrounding area. An example is MBA Pride: of the 11 players on the roster, 6 could be considered to be "homegrown" and a 7th played with the original team [CF Bobcats]. Of the remaining 4 players, two live within 100 miles and the other 2 live within 30 miles. We do not "borrow" players for tournaments except once during the Fall for a single tournament when we did not have sufficient players. Last year, Mizuno Glory had players from Miami, Jacksonville, Orlando, Kissimmee, Haynes City, Naples, and Tampa. I don't see anything wrong with having players from other cities or towns as long as they are permanent players on the roster who practice and play together as a team.
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Originally posted by bmoser
G-Man and baseballdoc,
Welcome! Of the top 11u teams in Florida, which are "home grown" versus Regionally constructed? By home grown, I mean the core of the team attends same school, or played out of the same local Rec park, by Regionally constructed I mean recruited from outside a 20 minute ride to their practice field, most don't attend same school, and most never played Rec/All Stars with, or against, each other.
Also, what are the top 3 tourney orgs down there? Up here its USSSA and Triple Crown with no clear cut 3rd.
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therealist
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 11:06:05
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| Is there a top tier major team still in the country that can meet home grown criteria? That is the one thing I respected most about the Bandits accomplishments before the addition of the Gwinnett kids. Don't get me wrong I still have great respect for the Bandits and what they continue to accomplish. However, in order to compete against the countries best I think you have to pull from a regional area. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:04:17
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I agree with the doc. It's elite travel ball and you should build the best team that you can build as long as they are with you permanent. 8 of the 10 Bandits are home grown with 2 being from Metro Atlanta. I do totally disagree with borrowing players like San Diego did in the 9U Disney tournament. They were from California but their top 2 players in my book were homegrown Florida boys. Nothing was proved for San Diego except they knew that their California team was not capable of winning without help.
All of you know that Papa has been on both sides of this fence as my older grandson played with the Chiefs that used some of the former Florida Fire kids. Although they were all great kids and Papa enjoyed them so much it was a logistical nightmare keeping the schedules of all involved on track and the final results was that it just didn't work well. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:40:37
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Thanks, that's what I was looking for. In Georgia, our teams are built from a smaller radius. ~10% from a single High School cluster. I don't know of one 11u Georgia team that is anything like Mizuno Glory's '09 team you describe below that was made up of players Statewide. I only know of 2 GA 11u teams out of ~200 that have players who drive more than 45 minutes to their teams home field. Even with these two teams, I'm talking 3 boys collectively. Heck, on my sons team, only 2 of us drive more than 20 minutes to our home field...guess that's why we're AAA.
I'm not saying either way is better, I just wanted to shed light on the contrast.
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Originally posted by baseballdoc
bmoser:
I guess it all depends on your definition of "homegrown": What percentage of players on the roster have to attend the same school and/or play at the same park? If your answer is > 90%, then none of the top 11 teams in Florida meet that definition. I would ask: how many of the top 11 teams in Georgia are "homegrown" utilizing your definition? With the competition as it currently is, it becomes extremely difficult, if not impossible, to compete solely with a "homegrown" team. A team could be very competitive with a "homegrown" nucleus of players only if they add players from the surrounding area. An example is MBA Pride: of the 11 players on the roster, 6 could be considered to be "homegrown" and a 7th played with the original team [CF Bobcats]. Of the remaining 4 players, two live within 100 miles and the other 2 live within 30 miles. We do not "borrow" players for tournaments except once during the Fall for a single tournament when we did not have sufficient players. Last year, Mizuno Glory had players from Miami, Jacksonville, Orlando, Kissimmee, Haynes City, Naples, and Tampa. I don't see anything wrong with having players from other cities or towns as long as they are permanent players on the roster who practice and play together as a team.
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Originally posted by bmoser
G-Man and baseballdoc,
Welcome! Of the top 11u teams in Florida, which are "home grown" versus Regionally constructed? By home grown, I mean the core of the team attends same school, or played out of the same local Rec park, by Regionally constructed I mean recruited from outside a 20 minute ride to their practice field, most don't attend same school, and most never played Rec/All Stars with, or against, each other.
Also, what are the top 3 tourney orgs down there? Up here its USSSA and Triple Crown with no clear cut 3rd.
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10 BB
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 15:59:29
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| Whats amazing is that the player that baseballdoc is referring to as borrowed in the Triple Crown Fall National Championship for MBA is the same player that the Bandits borrowed in the Triple Crown Fall State Championship. It's a small world!! |
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stinger
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 11:04:38
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Originally posted by bmoser
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. In Georgia, our teams are built from a smaller radius. ~10% from a single High School cluster. I don't know of one 11u Georgia team that is anything like Mizuno Glory's '09 team you describe below that was made up of players Statewide. I only know of 2 GA 11u teams out of ~200 that have players who drive more than 45 minutes to their teams home field. Even with these two teams, I'm talking 3 boys collectively. Heck, on my sons team, only 2 of us drive more than 20 minutes to our home field...guess that's why we're AAA.
I'm not saying either way is better, I just wanted to shed light on the contrast.
Where are the kids from Team GA from? I have no idea if this is true but I heard that they were pulling from all across the state. Does anyone know? |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 13:35:10
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Sunshine
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 17:23:24
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| You GA boys getting nervous yet? Ready or not them FL teams are comming to town. I can hear the war drums starting to beat. FL VS GA.... Who will come out on top? |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 19:18:30
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| Papa heard that 2 of their kids used to play for Manuel and Coach Vega and these are the two that I am most scared of. |
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Scoremore
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 20:58:19
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| The Lynn Haven Longhorns from FLN are a "home grown" team, 9 of their 11 players are from the same area and most of them have played together since 7U ball. The other two live about 45 minutes away. I'm not sure about the other teams who borrow or recruit from different states/areas. It seems they are always looking for the next best thing. Recruitment is everything but I can't see team unity building from that. Being able to practice together and having a place to call "home" without looking over your shoulder makes all the difference in the world. |
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baseballdoc
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Posted - 03/04/2010 : 21:29:48
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G-man:
My son played a whole season with Tampa Boltz at 9u. As you know, Jacksonville is at least a 3-hour drive from Tampa. Since that time they have added kids from Brooksville and Clearwater. Although many of the players are from the Tampa area, they really do not meet the definition of "homegrown" The Boltz loves to win and they would get a player from Japan if it were possible.
baseballdoc
The only home grown top 11u major team I can personally think of that is home grown is Tampa Boltz. I believe a majority of their kids play in the same league and go to school together. In my opinion and based on what I know of MBA they are more regionally grown. Of the top 12u major teams here in Florida most are regionally grown.
As for the top Org here in Florida right now its Usssa even though Nations is trying to make a big push in to the state. I know in North Florida the guy who use to run all the Usssa events up there has parted ways with Usssa and is now running top events for Nations. Triple Crown doesnt hold many events here during the year. Down in South Florida you have a lot of private held tournaments with no real organization behind them.
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 07:13:36
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Scoremore,
Welcome, and thanks for telling us about the Longhorns. Your teams profile is consistent with most of our ATL Metro area teams. Our population density helps a lot. I suppose your cross town rivals are the Bay Bombers? Any others from the Panhandle that can hang at the 11U Major level? |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/05/2010 : 07:31:43
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If they practice in Monroe, they can all get there in 20-30 minutes, so still a pretty tight recruiting footprint.
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Team GA is comprised of kids from near Athens, Covington, Conyers and Snellville/Loganville.
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