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Rocky
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 Posted - 02/22/2010 : 08:41:23
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| I agree it's a nice format but when you only have 8 or fewer teams it doesn't make sense to do a Gold and Silver Bracket. The games I watched for 11 and 12's most teams had a good shot at winning at any time. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 09:16:38
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Had a great time this weekend , At the ball park, sunshine, Dont get much better! Great to see all you folks again,Paul, BB Pappa, Coach Troy, Stallion,Longhorn1,Stinger, Barney fife ;-)
Its gonna be a great year of baseball ! |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:05:59
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I thought the tournament was very well run for the most part. I do wish some consideration would have been given to doing a single bracket with only 7 teams participating in the age group we played. Maybe this is something USTBA will consider in the future. I think Triple Crown does single or double brackets dependent on the number of teams, not as a general rule like USTBA does. It just seemed very anticlimactic coming to the ballfield Sunday, playing one game and going home after winning it.
BTW CoachMark, we did play head to head against Webb Bridge and beat them 8 to 3. The head to head wasn't considered because we gave up more runs than the other two teams which was the first criteria following the records. |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:17:07
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| Thanks Coach Mark for the clarification and again my post wasn't meant to bash as we had a great time and you can always count on us to be at one your tournaments. We knew going in what we entered and we know that we just didn't quite get the job done and ultimately have only ourselves to blame but we feel that we played off the charts and would have loved to have played in the gold division but there's always another day. I think it is a good question asking why you would separate a 7 team tournament anyway. I will say if given the choice between separating and not separating after pool play that most teams would probably tell you that they would much rather lose in the gold than to win in the silver. Why not give the teams a choice prior to the pools as to what level they want to compete. It was a great tournament and was a lot of fun to get back on the fields again and I got to see many of my friends and they all commented on what a great job you guys do with the tournament. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:29:50
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| Season: Papa agrees with your post somewhat and I can assure you that the Bandits don't save anything for the next game ever. We play to win every time out and pitched our best pitchers in the pool games of this tournament and tried our best to win so at least the 12U Braves know that they got the best we had to offer and they still won so my hat's off to the Braves. I appreciate and have no problem that some teams like to split and some don't. And I 100% agree that this was a great tournament and we had a great time but being the competitor that I am I couldn't help being disappointed that we fell short of what we came for. Holding the big trophy up like we did is always nice but their is something about that silver thing that didn't set well with the Bandits. I read some of the posts that the Gold was for the parents ego and I totally disagree with this statement. When our kids found out that they would be playing for the silver they were all very disappointed as well they should be as this will build the fire they need to work harder to make sure this doesn't happen again and that is exactly why we are playing up. As much as I love Coach Mark if we are given a chance of a elite tournament that doesn't split and the elite tournament that does we will go with not splitting. |
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baseball37
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:47:11
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Originally posted by Bandit13
I thought the tournament was very well run for the most part. I do wish some consideration would have been given to doing a single bracket with only 7 teams participating in the age group we played. Maybe this is something USTBA will consider in the future. I think Triple Crown does single or double brackets dependent on the number of teams, not as a general rule like USTBA does. It just seemed very anticlimactic coming to the ballfield Sunday, playing one game and going home after winning it.
BTW CoachMark, we did play head to head against Webb Bridge and beat them 8 to 3. The head to head wasn't considered because we gave up more runs than the other two teams which was the first criteria following the records.
With all due respect to you and Papa, it does sound a bit like you are whining and making some excuses. You shouldn't compare USTBA formats to Triple Crown, USSSA, or any other. If they were all identical what fun would that be? Also, Coach Mark explained head to head was thrown out b/c there were 3 teams tied at 1 and 1 and all 3 teams did not play each other. Finally, the fence issue is mute...b/c you played on the exact same field.
I respect the Bandits program, but you come off a bit whiny when your first post after the ECB Braves loss is excuse making.
Good luck the rest of the way. |
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BREAMKING
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 10:51:14
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I would have liked to have seen the bandits play the astros or hobgood. I think the Astros was head and shoulders the best talented team in the 12u division. Had to have been tough for the bandits to miss the upper division. You know it was just one pitch back and they would have been in the other divison. I thought the bandits out played the braves that games. The braves made a bunch of errors and the usually steady bandits played very well that game and usually that results in a win. I thought the weather was great and Sandy Plains puts on a good tournament for all the divisions. I saw a 9yr. old kid in his first kid pitch tournament hit a three run walk off also which was nice to see for that kid. He was smiling ear to ear rounding the bases. Great to have baseball back and it finally felt like baseball season to me. Mark thanks for doing the Iscore webcast that was pretty cool for people following at home. I personally like the split divisions people have to remember it is a business and there are more AA and AAA teams than major teams and they have to make a profit. Kudos to the kennesaw Outlaws for stepping up and playing the big boys and I am sure that will only help you guys as the season progresses. On to next weekend which should be just as entertaining. Sandy Plains is a good place to have tournaments wish they would have more.
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 11:18:14
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Originally posted by baseball37
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Originally posted by Bandit13
I thought the tournament was very well run for the most part. I do wish some consideration would have been given to doing a single bracket with only 7 teams participating in the age group we played. Maybe this is something USTBA will consider in the future. I think Triple Crown does single or double brackets dependent on the number of teams, not as a general rule like USTBA does. It just seemed very anticlimactic coming to the ballfield Sunday, playing one game and going home after winning it.
BTW CoachMark, we did play head to head against Webb Bridge and beat them 8 to 3. The head to head wasn't considered because we gave up more runs than the other two teams which was the first criteria following the records.
With all due respect to you and Papa, it does sound a bit like you are whining and making some excuses. You shouldn't compare USTBA formats to Triple Crown, USSSA, or any other. If they were all identical what fun would that be? Also, Coach Mark explained head to head was thrown out b/c there were 3 teams tied at 1 and 1 and all 3 teams did not play each other. Finally, the fence issue is mute...b/c you played on the exact same field.
I respect the Bandits program, but you come off a bit whiny when your first post after the ECB Braves loss is excuse making.
Good luck the rest of the way.
I must have missed something. I don't remember anyone from our team making excuses for the loss to the Braves. You are reading something else into what we have said. We've given all the credit in the world to the Braves as a strong team and great competitor. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 11:57:03
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| It took a Top 5 12U major team to beat the Bandits???? btw I know 2 of the parents from the Bandits extremely well and I have met all the other parents from this team and I agree 100% with Bandit13....You will never see those kids, parents, or coaches whine about losing to anybody. With 7 teams there isn't any reason at all to do a split bracket. I understand that is the USTBA rule, but if exceptions to that rule are made everybody is happy, except the people wanting the 2nd place trophy |
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funnyhop
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 13:36:15
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Originally posted by Season
We appreciate the tournaments that seperate into two brackets after pool play. Actually we consider this when we sign up for tournaments. This places so much more importance to pool games and takes away the "scrimmage" atmoshere" saving pitchers and etc. If you want to play in the top tier then you have to take the pool games more seriously.
We all were so lucky to have great weather and a well run tournament.
This is so true. If you want to play up in age groups, then you need to win them all in order to win the big enchilada. Stop whining and step up to the plate next time.
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stallion
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:02:01
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Papa, I am thinking this playing up could have some negative effects on the bandits. This was a weak 12u field last weekend and you guys got to play 3 games. This could happen to you often when the fields become stronger. You guys are use to playing more games. Whats your thoughts, do you think playing 3 games in a weekend or playing 5,6 or 7 games on the 11u level will help you guys reach your goals.
I just do not see how this playing up will benefit you guys if you are playing half the games that you are use to playing.
If you look at those Astros teams that play up the entire year at east cobb, they play up to win tournaments, not to be competitive. I do not think you guys can win a Major tournament playing up. So what is the point. IMHO, I think playing up can undermine your boys confidence. Whats your thoughts.
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:16:03
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Originally posted by funnyhop
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Originally posted by Season
We appreciate the tournaments that seperate into two brackets after pool play. Actually we consider this when we sign up for tournaments. This places so much more importance to pool games and takes away the "scrimmage" atmoshere" saving pitchers and etc. If you want to play in the top tier then you have to take the pool games more seriously.
We all were so lucky to have great weather and a well run tournament.
This is so true. If you want to play up in age groups, then you need to win them all in order to win the big enchilada. Stop whining and step up to the plate next time.
All you "glass half-empty" folks choose to see it as whining - well, that's your thing. We aren't whining at all - simply suggesting that a 7 team tournament doesn't make for a good split bracket. Some of you agree and some don't. Show some class and don't resort to accusing us of whining. We realize that if we had played a little better we would have made the top bracket and have said so here on this forum. And in case you didn't notice, we DID step up to the plate and gave our best against every opponent in the tournament and WANTED a chance to play against the Astros. |
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Rocky
290 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 14:36:47
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I agree with Pappa on this one. How does a team you beat Advance and we are talking a pool play game. When you have a Gold and Silver type setup the pool draw can mess you up and it's not really fair to not have the best teams playing in the Gold Bracket. I actually agree with someone above, if you have an elite type team stay away from tournaments that seperate into 2 or even 3 divisions after pool play. It happened in both the 11U and 12U divisions of this tournament. I saw it in last years Dizzy Dean 9U allstar tournament, a team advanced after pool play and the better team that beat them stayed at home on Sunday.
We talk about sportsmanship all the time, I don't think running up a score so you can advance is very sportsmanlike and when you use run differentials that is what you are doing. No easy fix that is for sure, always something that could go wrong. That is why I like the double elimination bracket play with no pool play. The best team can win and the 2nd best team can still be 2nd even if they lose their first game to the best team.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 16:30:03
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| baseball37 and funnyhop: You should make no mistake that the Bandits are not whining. There is no whining in baseball. Let me put it another way so you don't read whining into the equation. We got beat by a great team and you have not seen one thing in my posts that says otherwise. Then let me more blunt in that I think and you can quote me that splitting 7 teams into 2 divisions is stupid and the practice needs to be stopped. Who do you guys play with and if you are under the age of 20 give me a call and we will set up a game and you can experience the character these kids have first hand. It's always the one that want to be anoymous that posts things that are not true. If you have watched these kids play or if you truly know any of their parents then you would not have made such a frivolous insult. One thing about Papa is clear. You all know who I am and I do not hide behind an alias in order to say things out of line. This 11U and 12U Georgia baseball is the best in the nation and I think we should all encourage these kids to be their best. |
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11baseball11
90 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 16:43:20
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Originally posted by stallion
Papa, I am thinking this playing up could have some negative effects on the bandits. This was a weak 12u field last weekend and you guys got to play 3 games. This could happen to you often when the fields become stronger. You guys are use to playing more games. Whats your thoughts, do you think playing 3 games in a weekend or playing 5,6 or 7 games on the 11u level will help you guys reach your goals.
I just do not see how this playing up will benefit you guys if you are playing half the games that you are use to playing.
If you look at those Astros teams that play up the entire year at east cobb, they play up to win tournaments, not to be competitive. I do not think you guys can win a Major tournament playing up. So what is the point. IMHO, I think playing up can undermine your boys confidence. Whats your thoughts.
Stallion, I've said it before " If you don't loose every once in a while you're not pushing hard enough".
The speed of the game is so much faster, and that is where the true benefit comes. If you want to be a NASCAR driver, it doesn't do you any good to practice on a gocart.
I can only assume here, but I would think it would get boring beating the same teams week after week. But beating a team like the Astros or any elite 12u team will boost their confidence more than the same old same. Not jumpin on you, just giving my point of view. We played up this weekend also and got more out of a 6-5 lose in the semifinal than we did from any win all weekend.
As for splitting the brackets, with only 7 teams, it sounds like a waste of time. What can you do with a 3 team bracket?????????????????????????????NOTHING |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 17:03:35
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stallion: I wish that I knew the answer to your question and make no mistake that we put a lot of thought into what you have just brought up. But also make no mistake that the Bandits entered just to be competitive as we did not. We are going into the 12U tournament world believing we can win. You mentioned that the East Cobb program plays up to win but can you can tell me any especially in the lower ages that actually have because I don't know of any that have won playing up but I might be wrong on that.
I guess the answer is really simple. There are some good things and advantages in playing up and there are certainly some bad things that can happen playing up.
The thing that Papa loves about baseball is that anything can happen. I truly believe that we have the chance to win and you will be the first that Papa lets know if we can pull the major upset off. It has truly amazed me as to how much difference a year can make in youth baseball. I truly believe that every one of the East Cobb Braves was capable of going yard on the short 200 fields. They were big, strong, well coached and that is a tough combination to beat. I would like to know how they fared against the Astros as the Astros looked like they could beat a Low "A" pro team.
I didn't think the field was weak at all. I saw some good 12 year old teams with some great kids. Remember that we won 2 of 3 and had the Braves until the very last inning and to give them credit "we didn't give them the game, they took it by playing hard and we can live with that.
I know our kids better than anybody and remember that we have now seen faster pitching, more off speed, kids that are bigger and some that were even faster than us, and some of the best Coaching around that had prepared their teams well and that in the long run should make us a little better and I can promise you that nothing will ever shake these kid's confidence.
I will let you know how it all plays out. |
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blowinsmoke
61 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 19:13:43
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| There was an ol grey haired man that kept saying saturday they would have won if they was playing on a bigger field. I heard someone tell him Welcome to 12u Baseball pop |
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 21:05:31
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| I think we've all beat this horse enough. Let's start a new thread and discuss what might happen at the upcoming TC Spring Frost. The weather forecast is good and there are some good teams in this one too. |
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Marinersfan
57 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 21:29:14
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| Papa: to answer your question, Astros 8-1 over Braves. |
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ecbstix
115 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 22:36:34
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| We played on one of the 11u teams that played up quite a bit last year. We actually won a small tournament at ECB playing 12s and won a small fall tournament as 12s playing 13s. We were competitive in just about all that we played. Just like now (with the Bandits) people talked about why we were doing it. Our way of thinking was if we were playing in our age group we would have good (tough) games against a couple of teams. But if we played up, we would have to fight against even the middle of the road teams. Everybody will have their opinion, but in the end what you want is for the kids to get better. Not have the best record, the most trophies, or ranked the highest. I have no doubt that my son is a better ballplayer for playing up. I applaud anyone who sees the big picture. But that is just my opinion. I got to watch the Bandits play the Braves, they should be proud. Held their own against a tough team and will be even tougher for the 11u's to handle. |
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morgamania
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Posted - 02/22/2010 : 22:51:02
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I just want to say what a wonderful time we had! The best game for us was a fantastic match up between our Georgia Jackets and the 643 Jaguars. The game had everything you could ask for - great pitching, great fielding, and great hitting. A 6 inning battle where a shift in momentum was always on the precipice right through the last pitch of the game with the tying runs on 2nd and 3rd base following a 2 out, 2 strike double steal!
The Jackets stormed out of the gate with a couple of bombs and looked about to blow the game open with the bases loaded. Then the Jags brought in a crafty lefty who shut down the Jackets bats for the next several innings.
This time the Jackets were able to prevail 3-1. Congratulations to Coach Yancey, his assistant coaches, and the players for putting together such a well balanced and fundamentally sound team. Playing against them brings out the best in our boys and I'm certain makes both teams better because of it. I'm looking forward to many more hard fought battles with them this year. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 23:07:45
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| Astros must be awesome. Probably when we see them first hand if we ever make it that far we will be sorry that we found them but it will be a privilege just to have the opportunity to play them. I watched the Astros just a little and I don't think we have much of a shot but as long as there is a shot it couldn't hurt anything to at least try. I looked at the scores and they must have some awesome pitching and defense as it didn't appear that anyone put any runs up on them. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 23:25:49
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| blowinsmoke: If Papa is the pretty grey haired man you are referring to then I would like to set the record straight. What Papa said that if there was 6 more inches of open ground that we might have caught the walk off home run and not lost that Braves game. It is nice to be welcomed so warmly to the 12U world of baseball. Wonder if you took notice that we accepted your gracious welcome by winning 2 out of 3. And I didn't fail to notice that we were playing on the same field they were on and had the same opportunity the 12's had and by the way hit as many or more dingers than they did. What Papa noticed most was the size and strength of the 12's that pushed us to our limit and that is exactly why we played there so we got what we wanted out of the tournament. The Bandits did not invent this playing up thing as the Astros, Chiefs, Shamrocks, Longhorns, Vipers and many other teams used this same strategy to get them ready for bigger and better things in their own division. I hope it does the same for the Bandits as it did for the great teams listed above. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 23:43:36
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CoachMark: I appreciate you comparing the 11U Bandits to Tiger Woods but let's make it clear that the Bandits have never cheated.
And if the Bandits are Tiger then Coach Troy must be Elin and how could you even consider cheating on such a tall handsome prize as Coach Troy. It might be cheating to call Coach Troy tall and handsome but the prize part might apply. Funny thing that you mentioned the beauty pageant thing as our church had a beauty pageant thing where the men dressed up like women and Coach Troy won hands down but we think he might have bribed the judges.
Thank you again Coach Mark for having us at your park. It was a blast but now we must go and get ready for the next test. We have got to find a way to upgrade the 66 we made on the last test. Good luck to you and your guys in the Triple Crown. Go earn your team a bullseye as the bullseye on your back will push you to the next level and then to the next level. Good Luck and Papa is now officially through with the last tournament and looking forward to the upcoming one. The only split that I want to see in the next tournament is a banana split at the concession stand. |
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Titan1
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Posted - 02/23/2010 : 00:46:01
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| The jealousy over the Bandits is over the top. They where the best 10u team in the country and I believe will be the best 11u team in the country also. I pull for them every game and think they do us in Georgia proud with the way they play and the way they carry themselves. If my son played them I would tell everyone what a great little team we had. I think some of you hope they lose but I have a better idea why don't you use that same energy and work on your own teams to make them better so that they will be able to challenge the Bandits next time they play them. Odds are if you had a chance to put your son on a team like this you would and so would I. |
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