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111 Posts |
 Posted - 11/09/2009 : 12:55:05
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BMOSER - Who are your top 3? Are the 643 DP Cougs not on your list?
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Originally posted by bmoser[/i]
PaPa,
Not sure which Titans team you were speaking of, but the EC Titans are for real. I think they are stronger and deeper than Team Georgia. The Titans had been missing boys due to injury, and I got to see most of their Spring team on the field for the first time, and I was impressed. I've gotta put them in my top 3 for Spring.
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Titan1
210 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 14:17:04
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Not Moser but I will take a stab at a top 5 or so.
#1-Bandits
#2- Sandtown, until someone beats them
#3-Team GA
#4 643DP
#5- Chain Dirt Dawgs, you guys need to come out of your shell and look outside ATL.
Also think that EC Scorpions, EC Titans, Georgia Select Red will all also have a say as to how is the best at the end of the year.
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 14:34:20
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| I don't think that even Moser could pick the top 3 at this stage. It might be easier to take the top 10. There will still be changes made before spring comes and then here we go again. |
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Rocky
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 14:46:24
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I gave up predicting tournaments but I will still give my opinion on where teams stand in a ranking list. Because I have seen so much parity this fall season, I will make it easy for everyone most will come down to pitching match ups.
1. Bandits
2. Team GA
3. 6-4-3 Cougars
3. ECB Scorps
3. ECB Titans
3. Sandtown Redsox
3. ECB Astros
3. GA Jackets
3. 6-4-3 Jags
3. ECB Stars
3. Holly Springs
3. Team under the radar-possibly Gwinnett or Augusta
3. GA Select Red
3. New Team that hasn't even formed yet.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 15:07:11
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Baseball:
IMHO...the power pitching and hitting of the Bandits, Sandtown, EC Titans, and Team GA will be too much for the Cougars to handle. Finesse will win out from time-to-time, but all 4 of these teams have so many players who can can go yard on 225' fields, and throw 60+ with accuracy, that it takes a perfect game to overcome all that firepower. 6-4-3C is one of only 2 capable of playing a perfect defensive game, but for now: Bandits, Sandtown, EC Titans, Team GA. 1 or 2 more will likely join this group, but it will be due to roster moves between now and Spring.
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justin case
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 15:39:34
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bmoser you are putting to much emphasis on last weekend results.
I think the only two teams that were close to having a full roster were the titans and scorpions.
The jackets were missing several of their studs.
The chilidogs were missing several of their studs.
The duluth wildcats had some sharon spring kids
I saw several astros and stars on at least four teams.
Matter of fact those pitchers you saw on kennesaw, I am thinking one was an astro and the other a star.
I know the titans even had a star on their team.
I also saw a star on the scorpions.
The chilidogs had an alpharetta A and and hollyspring kid on their team.
Now maybe some of these kids have switched teams.
So as you see this was a mix bag or a bunch of mutts. You cant judge anything by this weekend.
I am pretty sure the same bag of tricks were going on in gwinnett.
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Baseball
111 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 16:07:43
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BMOSER - whats your feedback on this? Baseballpapa thinks its not possible to pick a top 3 at this point. Do you see 3 teams clearly ahead of the rest of the pack or are these other teams mentioned not being given a fair evaluation?
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Originally posted by baseballpapa[/i]
I don't think that even Moser could pick the top 3 at this stage. It might be easier to take the top 10. There will still be changes made before spring comes and then here we go again.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 16:25:14
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That's because the rosters continue to change. After the Forsyth Slugfest in early March, the roster moves will slow down a lot and the picture will become clearer, but the real #1,#2,#3 wont be revealed until the 11u season ends.
I want to share a tip with all my Georgia youth baseball friends... the game you are watching is also the game you are not really seeing.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
I don't think that even Moser could pick the top 3 at this stage. It might be easier to take the top 10. There will still be changes made before spring comes and then here we go again.
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Shut Out
512 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 17:39:08
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| I saw a lot of patched together teams once again at the USTBA so knowing how they will perform in the spring compared to these fall patched up team is tough to predict. I did see one of the ex 643 kids playing on the chili dogs team. Is he on their team for the spring or was he just helping to fill out the roster for this tournament? |
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bbfan31
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 19:04:31
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Originally posted by bmoser
Down South Team GA ran the table, and only GA Select Red gave them a close game (5-4). Team GA beat Elite Gamers Red in the finals (9-1).
Team GA may have ran the table, but they had to do it with the Bandits pitcher to beat GA Select Red, not once but twice this weekend, they had to bring in the Bandits Pitcher to win the game. Could they have done it without the Bandits pitcher, I wonder. They had to bring him in when Ga Select was winning and the Ga Select Pitching and Defense was shutting down the Team GA in the bracket game. They went down 1-2-3 in multiple innings, with some awesome defensive plays by Ga Select. |
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skeeter
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 19:21:05
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I saw several games in Social Circle this weekend and can tell you that the GA Rage were a good team. I saw them beat OTC (TC semi-finalist) GA Rage were a mixture from several teams (probably thrown together for this tournament). Other teams who were there are: Team GA, GA Rage, OTC, GA Titans, HOCO, GA Select...
I also saw the Team GA game vs GA Select on Sunday (and Team GA didn't run the the table here). This was a really good 11U baseball game. Team GA was down 5-4 going in the bottom of the 4th. They scored 2 with 2 outs to take the lead. Top of the 5th GA Select had a runner on 3b, but couldn't get him in. On a side note...Team GA picked up a a stud pitcher from another team...this stud threw the final 3 innings against the Select and was as good as always. If Team GA didn't have this player this weekend, would they have beaten the Select? We'll see once spring comes around.
Team GA was never really challenged by the Gamers Red. The Gamers are going to challenge some good teams. It will be good to see them in the mix. Team GA is definately top 5 in State!
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Originally posted by bmoser
There were 2 tourneys, one South and one in Marietta.
Down South Team GA ran the table, and only GA Select Red gave them a close game (5-4). Team GA beat Elite Gamers Red in the finals (9-1). A new team popped up that did well, GA Rage??? info?
In Marietta, I left after seeing EC Titans beat Kennesaw (Titans had no problems with Outlaws power lefty or righty). Kennesaw committed too many errors, walks, passed balls. They were rusty.
The Jackets beat the Scorpions 6-4 in the other semi. The Scorpions outhit the Jackets 4/3 and hit a 3-run blast to go ahead 4-1, but the Scorpions committed 2 big errors, issued 6BB's, & had 6PB's where runners advanced. Jackets catcher was game MVP: threw out 2 stealing and had a key hit/2rbi's.
The Scorpions successfully worked the clock w/ an intentionally fast strike out in the bottom of the 4th to gain an extra inning,(I'd have changed pitchers after the 2nd intentional whiff to block their ploy) then made a whistling noise during the Jackets pitcher's wind up drawing a warning from the umps while screams of "Bush league" rang out.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
I haven't heard anything about this weekend's tournaments. Did Team Georgia and Scorpions get to hook up or did someone spoil what was supposed to be the championship game. How did it come out.
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bmoser
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 07:44:10
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skeeter: thanks for info on the Rage. Their roster is now on usssa's site. I'm surprised to see that many good players still available to form a strong team at this point in time when most rosters are settled. Kudos to the Rage Coach/es.
By "run the table", I meant Team GA won all their games. I didn't mean they blew everyone off the field. I heard about the come-from- behind game from a close source. GA Select-Red has gotten the toughest draws of the Fall season, and are growing from it.
Justin Case: point taken (too much emphasis on wknd), but I did speak to a Jackets Coach and 2 Chilidog families about their respective rosters for that tourney, and I knew every fill-in for Duluth (GA Select Blue, SS Blue, GA Academy, Norcross). I try very hard to get my facts straight. My opinions are derived from verified information, "seeing" ~150 games/yr, keeping stats, and reading posts. I don't assess teams after seeing them once or twice. I've found it takes 3 complete games to see all a teams pitchers/catchers, and see every player field a ball. I look at head-to-head, and common opponents.
I'm way out on a limb putting the Titans so high after seeing only 3 games. In the tourneys I've attended, the Titans edged out the Scorpions in cum by a very small margin. the other EC teams had some very impressive players, but were not polished teams yet.
I was disappointed I could not be in Social Circle and Sandy Plains both. I needed to see the Rage (new team) and Elite-Red (nice trend line). If it were Spring, I might have chartered that Yellow helicopter.
Best game I saw in SP was the Jackets-Scorpions (I missed Scorpions4 Titans3 pool game) Sounds like GA Select Red vs Team GA was the best game in Social Circle.
Time to look for some tourneys in FLA...10BB, you guys doing usssa Disney for T'giving?
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Edited by - bmoser on 11/10/2009 09:00:34 |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 08:42:35
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Papa will pick the top 3 for you but not now. I will wait until next summer when you see who really plays for who. I can promise you one thing and that is that the Bandits have the exact same team as we finished Cooperstown with. We lost a player and will play with 11 but all 11 finished Dreams Park with us and this is where we will start. I will also tell you that if the Bandits continue to work hard this winter and play like they did at the Triple Crown Fall State that they will be a handful to handle. But then again the thing that keeps all of us coming back to the baseball field is that no game is ever won until after it is played. All the stats are gone now, All the home runs can't be used again, All the great pitching efforts of the past counts for nothing now and you had better be faster because the bases are farther away. Papa's advice to all is to work hard this winter on yourself. Get in the cage and fine tune your swing and work on your pitching mechanics. Work down to the little things and this is where you will find the W's live.
Competition is a good thing. We should all feel lucky that there are so many teams being talked about. The key to winning against the best is preparation. Are you ready to do the little things to win a tight ball game. It doesn't just happen, you have to make it happen. |
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10 BB
264 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 09:49:47
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bmoser; the Bombers are through for the season but there is a team from our area going. This team has worked hard over the years to be a major team and top contender and I believe they will make some noise in 2010.
Teams in Florida to watch out for in 2010
Bay Bombers- picked up two Georgia boys from Stixx
MBA Pride- combined three very good teams (powerhouse)
USA Boltz- good pitching and great SS
Mizuno Edge- looked real good at St Augustine Fall National
Pembroke Lake Bulldogs- very fundemental
Gulf Coast Lightning- always tuff
Lynn Haven Longhorns- this is the team to make some noise (2009 Dizzy Dean WS Champions) |
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bmoser
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 10:25:23
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Papa,
Great post. Not picking top 3 until Spring is wise. I'm betting on the EC Titans recruiting prowess to continue. By waiting, you eliminate that variable.
Also, since I began keeping stats, I've learned that it really is the small things that can determine close games. I recall watching 6-4-3 beat the EC Scorpions 2-1 in the Forsyth Slugfest semi's last March. That was one tight game. I'd love to review that score book. Can 6-4-3 or Scorpions remind me how 6-4-3's 2nd run evolved? Didn't the Scorpions have the tying run on 3rd at game's end? How was the final out recorded? There's some buried treasure on that score sheet.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 12:35:30
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10BB, I'll take your list with me if I go.
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TAZ980002
831 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 14:31:44
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Originally posted by bbfan31
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Originally posted by bmoser
Down South Team GA ran the table, and only GA Select Red gave them a close game (5-4). Team GA beat Elite Gamers Red in the finals (9-1).
Team GA may have ran the table, but they had to do it with the Bandits pitcher to beat GA Select Red, not once but twice this weekend, they had to bring in the Bandits Pitcher to win the game. Could they have done it without the Bandits pitcher, I wonder. They had to bring him in when Ga Select was winning and the Ga Select Pitching and Defense was shutting down the Team GA in the bracket game. They went down 1-2-3 in multiple innings, with some awesome defensive plays by Ga Select.
JMHO, but I think that Team GA could have pulled this game out without the Bandit pitcher. Team GA had plenty of pitching left including their top 2 hurlers.
The Team GA coaches were kind enough to allow my son to play with them last weekend and give him some time on the mound to work on some things we have been trying to correct.
With that said, GA Select DID play an awesome game on defense. The right fielder made 2 outstanding plays, one of them a diving catch on a hard hit line drive and another great catch that turned into a DP at first base. Sward's 10u team that we saw a bunch last year was very disciplined and fundamentally sound, just as the Red 11u team is this year. I haven't seen the Blue team play yet but I expect that they are just as well coached. |
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rynoboots
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Posted - 11/10/2009 : 16:12:27
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| i know that three of the players on the georgia rage are on the georgia select navy team. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 18:32:28
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| I think that you always see a lot of players willing to play for other teams in the fall. What you are seeing might be a player that didn't play football and was just itching to play again or a player wanting to play but his team couldn't because of football. I see nothing wrong with these players finding a good team to play with. It is just important that they play somewhere. The teams will all shake out early next Spring and then we can get back to predicting. Until then, it is most likely a guessing game. |
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Titan1
210 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2009 : 20:01:46
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Moser I am not sure who they are. I have never seen them play.
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Titan1:
Who is the Georgia Rage? They are playing in a USSSA NIT in Social Circle this weekend, yet are not registered w/ USSSA (or if they are the tourney Director has not yet entered them into the system). They beat OTC and Hoco yesterday handily. I'm guessing a throw together team of some strong players who wanted to take advantage for the fine weather.
In the USTBA Fall States, I'm seeing Titans or Scorpions vs Team GA in the finals.
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bobo
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 07:10:42
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| Has anyone got any information about Chilidog teamss? I know in spring they had 2 teams (red and black team) and both were pretty good. I was wondering if they still together or what might happen to those kids ,some were pretty good. |
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baseballpapa
1520 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 09:02:53
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| bobo: You are wrong in that most of the Chili Dogs are not pretty good, they are very good. I understand that come spring that we might see some changes for the better in this team and that is true then we are all in trouble. |
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Titan1
210 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2009 : 13:32:02
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| Chilidogs are playing this weekend in Lagrange. Hopefully will be the first time we get to play them. |
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NewarkEagles
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 16:46:02
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The USTBA Fall State was a well run and fun tournament for the kids. The weather couldn't have been better! Indeed the most compelling games were the ones between the Titans-Scorpions and Georgia Jackets-Scorpions.
On the game with the Jackets and ECB Scorpions you can call it gamesmanship, "bush league", or whatever. It’s nothing new. I've known coach Steve for a long time and have a lot of respect for him. That's not really his style and he can't control everyone. Those maneuvers like the intentional strike out have been used by coaches and teams for years. I've seen much worse. It's just a shame that our games are ruled by the clock but that's a fact of life in tournament play. (Jackets lost one pool play game trying as fast as they could to get the home team out in the bottom half of the inning. Struck out the first two and then time expired. To their credit the Kennesaw Outlaws did not stall and played it straight.) Perhaps semi-final as well as final games should not have time limits. Tournaments can consider 4 inning pool play games with no time limit. (How many times do pool play games ever go 6 innings?)
The Jackets decided to take the high road and let the game be decided by the kids - not the coaches, parents, whistles, or the clock. This is the kind of integrity that is embedded in their team philosophy. It won't win them every game but it will prepare them for the tougher choices in life down the road.
The Jackets had to play the "play in" game vs SP Wildcats at 11 followed immediately by the battle with ECB Scorpions at 1. They ran outta gas a little vs Titans that evening committing some costly errors that prevented the game from remaining close. The Titans avenged a tough loss to the Jackets from the TC fall state a few weeks back. Titans almost had a walk off win in that game but the HR ball was just foul and the Jackets held on for the victory propelling them on where they defeated the ECB Jaguars but lost to the Bandits in the final four.
The tournament was well run and the kids were all excited about the coming spring. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of great games among these teams next year. Fall baseball is a bit of an enigma with so many kids playing football, etc many of the teams have to get rental players in order to field a team. I saw PrimeTime-Chili Dogs in the TC tournament. The Jackets were using their combined rosters from their gold and white teams. Many of their veteran players have not played this fall.
Back on topic my sleeper team to watch is the Midway Dirty Dawgs. I've seen them go toe to toe with the Bandits before. They play small ball, manufacture runs, and are fundamentally sound. From what I understand they are returning the whole roster from last year. Watch out for those Dirty Dawgs! |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 11/11/2009 : 23:48:54
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Thank you so much Newark Eagle for some well thought out insight. I do agree that Coach Steve of the Scorpions is a class act and I feel sure that he was coaching as hard as he could coach and probably was not even aware of the other distractions. I believe Coach Steve has done 100 times more good than bad for the game of baseball and I appreciate him and his organization. He gives the Bandits a reason to work hard because we know that he is working his butt off to beat ours.
Boy, We could talk forever about time limits and whether they are useful or not. Without them some games could drag on forever and teams could get humilated when things are not going there way but most of us me included will never be fans of a time limit. I don't believe Mr. Doubleday had any time limit in mind when he invented the game of baseball. As for the manuevers and tricks I feel that it is our responsibility to give these kids every opportunity that they can have to win the game. If any of this makes the other team mad then I will tip my hat and say "Sorry" but at the end of the day it is our job to look out after our own kids but we fully expect you to do the same. We should all play by the rules and if a time limit is part of the rules then the time limit should be followed unless agreed otherwise by all involved. I think the time limit gives a reason for the other team to stall and can create a problem but without more fields I suppose we will always have a time limit. Probably should start a new thread on the time limit thing and maybe the directors would read and come up with a solution that we could live with.
And you hit the nail on the head with your Midway pick. Papa was also there for the game you talked about and will admit that my Bandits had their hands full that night and used every trick we could to pull the rabbit out of the hat to win this one. One of the toughest games we have played since we started kid pitch.
The Bandits are excited and believe it or not are already in the cages trying to keep our edge. I warn you all that if you plan on playing elite 11U in 2010 that you had better get your act together and work hard this winter. My Momma used to tell me that the early bird will get the worm and I always listen to my Momma. |
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