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Alter-Ego
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 Posted - 10/26/2009 : 22:14:37
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lovebball,
How is it poor sportsmanship that no one has much to say. I know most of the teams playing in the 14U division and most all did not have all their players there and healthy. It's the freakin fall. Who cares who wins what. With all the rain, everyone should be glad they were actually able to get out and play. I don't say this to diminish the EC Titan's win, because the boys should be proud of their accomplishment, but the fall is time to start players getting used to each other and to work on things you won't be able to in the spring. |
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rebelthirty
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 23:17:43
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| I watched the Sunday games at Mt Bethel and thought the Titans played well. They were down early to the New York team but scored 12 unanswered runs to overpower them. The Charlotte team made small erros the Chargers took advantage of and dispatched them in the round of eight. The Titans and Stallions played a good close game with the Shamrocks coming out on top. In the Titans Chargers game the Titans jumped out to an early 8-0 lead after three innings but the Chargers fought back but lost 9-7. This is not the same Chargers team from last year and even without their best hitter being out injured represented themselves well. Congrats to the Titans they certainly accomplished a lot winning four games on Sunday. |
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mammabee
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 23:30:36
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Yes and that makes a good point Ego : 10% at full pool has got to be a good estemate it is almost Halloween ya know !
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Actually, with all the rain, football, and injuries all you can get out of the fall are players getting work and teams hopefully working on a few things they won't be able to in spring/summer. 10% of the teams are playing at full capacity anyway.
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lovebball
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 15:05:49
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Alter-ego, you began your statement by saying who cares and then said not to diminish the Titans win. Which is it?
And below is your 1st statement on this topic and I think you were right.
Posted - 09/29/2009 : 11:11:10
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I can't even begin to figure out the rankings even yet. The problem is, too many teams are still looking to solidify their rosters. Others have too many that are playing football to see what they might be like next spring.
The only thing I have been able to see is that there are some teams that should be a lot better when the season ends than when it starts. I see teams with kids who are athletic but not extensively coached up to now and if their current coaches do their jobs, they will be much better players at the end of the season. Time will only tell, though. In some cases it may take the patience of Job.
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 20:34:42
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"It also should be noted that the Combat loss was the first loss to a 14U team (Major or otherwise) this fall. "
Didn't Combat go over to South Carolina and play in the Super NIT over there, this fall? Placing 10th going 1-2 (losing to one Major team and one AAA team). |
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dkbball62
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 21:31:49
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Okay, this is getting pretty pathetic, guys. What it boils down to is it's too early for anyone to rank any of the teams, regardless of how they perform in games or tournaments during the fall. Most don't have all their players they will have for the Spring and/or some of their players are in and out of fall baseball because of fall or winter commitments to other sports.
It's pretty obvious by who is saying what on this thread that it's mostly coaches and/or parents from the teams stroking their own feathers about their players or son's respective teams. That's all fine and dandy but don't try to spin it like what you're saying is really based on fact or statistics because you don't have either at this early stage of the season. RELAX, stop trying to do so much posturing and let your boys just enjoy the casual enjoyment of getting to know their teammates for this upcoming Spring, get in some conditioning and other training they won't have the time or opportunity to do in the Spring, and look in the mirror and realize it's not all about you, it's about your boys who probably don't even know you're out here making these absurd statements about which team is better than which team.  |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 23:48:35
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Originally posted by 6-4-3
Yes, congratulations to the Titans, however:
1) No, the Titans are not #2 behind the Astros based on this win. They lost to the Charlotte Stealth (5-4) and ECB Combat (6-0) in pool play. Yes, they won, but they lost more games in this Tourney (2) than TG did all Fall (1). (see below)
2) The TG - Combat semifinal game where the Combat won 4-1 was was probably the worst game TG played defensively and offensively this season, hands down. No excuses. TG made 3 errors that cost them at least 3 of those runs. They suffered a letdown in that game and this will happen from time to time. Combat pitched very well in that game also to close it out so so kudos to them.
It also should be noted that the Combat loss was the first loss to a 14U team (Major or otherwise) this fall. I believe it was 12 or 13-1? And this includes victories over the Titans, Braves (2), Combat, and batting 12 and rotating players in and out to different positions each inning or 2 to gain some experience which is straight up Fall educational baseball.
If any other team can match that accomplishment, please let me know.
643 : a loss is a loss Sir.
To give reasons or excuses why you lost and then compare to other teams is what i hope you would not teach to the kids you coach.
exiting as a good loser is as important as winning the game itself !
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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2009 : 09:47:14
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| 643 Mr. TG. I was wondering how long it was going to take you to chime in |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2009 : 15:29:27
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Sorry 6-4-3, I got confused on which team you were referring.
As for the 13U Astros, they definately have some really good pitching depth. They were missing a few, if I am not mistaken. I think they have 4 leftys that are really good. They don't have the same size as last year, but pitching can definately be the equalizer. |
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13udad1234
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Posted - 10/28/2009 : 16:11:02
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Originally posted by 6-4-3
Yes, congratulations to the Titans, however:
1) No, the Titans are not #2 behind the Astros based on this win. They lost to the Charlotte Stealth (5-4) and ECB Combat (6-0) in pool play. Yes, they won, but they lost more games in this Tourney (2) than TG did all Fall (1). (see below)
2) The TG - Combat semifinal game where the Combat won 4-1 was was probably the worst game TG played defensively and offensively this season, hands down. No excuses. TG made 3 errors that cost them at least 3 of those runs. They suffered a letdown in that game and this will happen from time to time. Combat pitched very well in that game also to close it out so so kudos to them.
It also should be noted that the Combat loss was the first loss to a 14U team (Major or otherwise) this fall. I believe it was 12 or 13-1? And this includes victories over the Titans, Braves (2), Combat, and batting 12 and rotating players in and out to different positions each inning or 2 to gain some experience which is straight up Fall educational baseball.
If any other team can match that accomplishment, please let me know.
The pool play losses don't really matter. Titans and a lot of other teams didn't play 100% during pool play. TG players have been playing together in the GGBL for over 3 years. They didn't need to mesh in the fall like the Titans.
Anybody know what happened to the warhawks? |
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playhard
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Posted - 10/29/2009 : 09:41:50
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| Guys spring will be here soon!!!! Then we all will have another six pages to talk about the same teams LOL. One team no one is talking about is the ECB longhorns. They looks like on paper to be a very good team. TG will be ok in the spring,they will have three more Major's pitchers, and couple more power hitters. Let the kids enjoy the game of baseball. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/29/2009 : 13:31:13
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Mike,
Yes, they played 2 scrimmage games. I assumed 643 was referring to tournament games, not scrimmage games.  |
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JCB
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Posted - 10/29/2009 : 17:09:40
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Pool games matter to the boys playing them and some of them are reading these posts. As the age progresses and certainly by 15u, some tournaments just have games without pool games leading to elimination games. I know we have watched some of the teams in older age groups at ECB play tournaments without anything other than scheduled games. The BCS, rained out a few weeks ago, and scheduled to be played next week is an example and the 14u previously had just scheduled games. These boys have to get in the mind set of playing their best at all times to learn how to win and earn playing time. Good life lessons.
As to the Titans, they played better Sunday night and won; better not only than the Combat that night, but also better than they played on Saturday night against the Combat. On the other hand, the Combat played better Saturday night than they did Sunday night. What does that really all mean - just what it is. The Titans won the Championship Game and should be congratulated for that win. I can assure you that not one Titan was OK with losing Saturday night and Saturday afternoon because they expected to win 4 games Sunday.
Furthermore, it is slippery slope if a team is savig pitchers for the Championship Game - losing Q-finals or S-finals with your horse not pitching all weekend does not help that pitcher/player develope. The Titans pitchers/players performed to win each game, but pitched better on Sunday, hit better on Sunday and played better than their opponents on Sunday - and guess what - they won!
Does all this mean they are best?? They were this past weekend over the field entered and that is what matters when playing to win the tournament format that all 10 teams entered. |
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gasbag
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Posted - 10/30/2009 : 10:13:21
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Fella's, I think we're forgetting in the fall that many Coaches try kids at new positions and try to force some into some specific situations for the experience. Not to always win, but to capture the experience that a specific situation may provide. That's not to say they are not playing to win. I just believe winning may be secondary in the fall, especially in pool play.
I really liked what I saw from the ball players ! There is some very talented kids and I can't wait for spring to get here.
One thing that kind of bothered me...some coaches insisting on playing fall ball by the "Marquis of Queensberry Rules". If fall ball is about garnering experience, I'd think that SOME of the coaches would be a little less intense concerning rules vs. getting the experience. Don't get me wrong, winning is OK, but when emphasis on the rules cheats kids out of playing ball, I'm not a big supporter of that. Seems like they are more worried about their Coaching egos than getting the players they Coach, the experience. Wonder what kind of a message we're sending our kids regarding fall ball, relaxed atmosphere, working on fundamentals and let's not worry about winning...then they see the Coach pulling out all the stops and winning at all costs attitude ? |
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JCB
88 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2009 : 11:08:43
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| Who or which team is Mikewells? |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/30/2009 : 16:44:19
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No 6-4-3, I don't agree with that at all. Those that are playing football on Sat are typically not in physical shape to play on Sat. To punish them by not letting them play on Sunday, because they could not make it out on Sat, is wrong to me. They are trying to work in when they can. I also don't think it is wrong for a team to pick up a player or two, even during the weekend, to complete a tournament. It is the fall and if they have to forfeit, it hurts both teams.
I just could not bring myself to complain about it for fear people thought I was more interested in winning than getting the games in. |
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13udad1234
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Posted - 10/30/2009 : 17:37:30
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Originally posted by JCB
Pool games matter to the boys playing them and some of them are reading these posts. As the age progresses and certainly by 15u, some tournaments just have games without pool games leading to elimination games. I know we have watched some of the teams in older age groups at ECB play tournaments without anything other than scheduled games. The BCS, rained out a few weeks ago, and scheduled to be played next week is an example and the 14u previously had just scheduled games. These boys have to get in the mind set of playing their best at all times to learn how to win and earn playing time. Good life lessons.
As to the Titans, they played better Sunday night and won; better not only than the Combat that night, but also better than they played on Saturday night against the Combat. On the other hand, the Combat played better Saturday night than they did Sunday night. What does that really all mean - just what it is. The Titans won the Championship Game and should be congratulated for that win. I can assure you that not one Titan was OK with losing Saturday night and Saturday afternoon because they expected to win 4 games Sunday.
Furthermore, it is slippery slope if a team is savig pitchers for the Championship Game - losing Q-finals or S-finals with your horse not pitching all weekend does not help that pitcher/player develope. The Titans pitchers/players performed to win each game, but pitched better on Sunday, hit better on Sunday and played better than their opponents on Sunday - and guess what - they won!
Does all this mean they are best?? They were this past weekend over the field entered and that is what matters when playing to win the tournament format that all 10 teams entered.
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Originally posted by 6-4-3
JCB - That was a great post. Your pitching analysis is exactly part of whats wrong with Travel ball and thats holding back pitchers for one game.
The other problem is teams adding players on Sunday who weren't there on Saturday, or even on their roster when the season starts, and this includes football players. I say that if they don't play at least an out or inning on Saturday, don't even show up on Sunday.
Does anyone else agree with this?
It's not like the Titans brought in a kid to pitch one game. He was out of town did not get back to Atlanta until Sunday night. The Tians were glad to have him there and EVERY PLAYER on the Titans was there at the beginning of the fall. |
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loveforthegame25
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Posted - 10/31/2009 : 10:17:20
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| If the kid is on the team he is on the team, whether its saturday sunday full moon or half moon. 643 that doesnt make any sense. Good job Titans. |
Edited by - loveforthegame25 on 10/31/2009 19:33:24 |
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coachdan06
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Posted - 10/31/2009 : 23:07:49
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Originally posted by 6-4-3
JCB - That was a great post. Your pitching analysis is exactly part of whats wrong with Travel ball and thats holding back pitchers for one game.
The other problem is teams adding players on Sunday who weren't there on Saturday, or even on their roster when the season starts, and this includes football players. I say that if they don't play at least an out or inning on Saturday, don't even show up on Sunday.
Does anyone else agree with this?
interesting question.
if he misses due to football or unavoidable family reasons then whats the issue anyways
if he misses for lack of interest or playing on another team or most worse if a coach picks him up for the day and there are those low level types out there who do this then no he should not play ! |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 10:04:15
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6,
I agree that players should not do the "Yea, I just don't want to come..." thing, but players do get banged up playing football and can't get there, many times, on Sat to play that 1 inning you require for them to come play on Sunday.
Maybe it is a team thing, age group thing, or personal thing.
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2009 : 15:05:26
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| So 6, if a player does not come out and practice and play in the fall, even if it is a little bit because he is playing football, should he be able to come in when spring gets there and expect to start practicing and playing? To me, it would be worse for a player to not come out at all in the fall and expect to jump in come spring than for one to play part time in the fall. |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 00:21:43
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[quote]Originally posted by 6-4-3
Coachdan - completely agree with you,
However, to me, anything other than sickness, family emergencies or the like is not a valid reason to miss any games on Saturday. To me, it is a lack of interest in baseball and more so having a sense of entitlement, and in some cases arrogance, that they should play even though he didnt show up with the rest of the team on Saturday in pool play.
643 :
you have to accept that in many instances the football players are your best athletes.
so how is it a lack of interest in baseball or arrogance or entitlement because they also are good at football and have a committtment to those games in the fall after practicing with that all week ??
what you suggest is all baseball or no baseball , and with that I do not agree
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Alter-Ego
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 10:44:37
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6,
I would say the football coach would in the spring, which is comparable to fall baseball. He knows that baseball is in full swing in the spring and whatever time he can get the player is a bonus. As a matter of fact, I know some will because I have seen it happen. Especially if it is a QB or RB. |
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mikewells
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 10:46:49
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Dan-O6 dont forget hoops our guys are strong athletes too and there is some overlap with the baseball fall teams.
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Originally posted by coachdan06
[quote]Originally posted by 6-4-3
Coachdan - completely agree with you,
However, to me, anything other than sickness, family emergencies or the like is not a valid reason to miss any games on Saturday. To me, it is a lack of interest in baseball and more so having a sense of entitlement, and in some cases arrogance, that they should play even though he didnt show up with the rest of the team on Saturday in pool play.
643 :
you have to accept that in many instances the football players are your best athletes.
so how is it a lack of interest in baseball or arrogance or entitlement because they also are good at football and have a committtment to those games in the fall after practicing with that all week ??
what you suggest is all baseball or no baseball , and with that I do not agree
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gasbag
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Posted - 11/03/2009 : 20:42:57
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Interesting discussion...lots of judgements involving other teams and coaches. Every team, every coach every player and circumstance can be different. Blanket judgements castigating teams is a dis-service.
Every player and every coach and parent on our entire team knows the other sports the various players on our team are involved in. We show up in the fall to get some needed reps and work in a relaxed atmosphere. We don't play to win in the fall but rather play for experience and hope we are presented with a variety of situations. Rarely in the fall have we had 100% of our entire squad at any one given time. If we cannot assemble enough players on our permanant 2010 roster, we simply don't enter a tournament. If we have enough, we'll enter...simple as that.
It appears the goal of our team is to prepare our lads for the 2010 spring / summer season as best we can. Those that don't agree with our philosophy...fine, you run your team as you see fit in a fashion that works for you and your athletes ( assuming it's done within the rules ). This seems to work for our team, coaches and parents.
Don't hate us because we're beautiful ( LOL )! |
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