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Alter-Ego
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 Posted - 10/08/2009 : 10:41:00
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Cam1,
"Chargers- have one of the best players in the state". That's an interesting statement. Did they acquire someone that did not play on one of the known teams last year? |
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cam1
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 13:04:55
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| No he played with a known team last year and when you play them you will know instantly with whom I refer to. He has never played at East Cobb before. |
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playhard
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 13:25:02
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| The ECB longhorns will be a really good team. By the end of the summer they will be the number two team at ECB 14U. The Stallions will be third or forth team at best out of ECB. Outside of the park Team Gwinnett is looking to be the #2 team after the Astros. I am ready for spring!!!! |
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jay
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Posted - 10/08/2009 : 16:10:03
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I'm sure to regret replying to this  what the heck I've got time to kill  In recent history the EC Warriors did manage to eek out a win against the Chargers and Longhorns. And yes, they did lose a couple key players to some very strong teams (Team Gwinnet in particular); However, they did manage to pick up some very talented players to fill those holes becoming a lot deeper on the mound in the process. We'd play on Saturday more, but like a lot of teams we're also competing with football. 
With any luck the Spring season will kick off with all pitchers healthy (unlike last years beginnings that saw only 2 starting pitchers able to even pick up a ball).
So, promise to forget that I posted this  and they'll promise to continue to sneak up on teams. 
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2009 : 20:15:35
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| how are these teams playing usssa tourneys with no roster on line..nice job usssa |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 09:18:35
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6-4-3,
I would say that should apply to at least one or two players off of all the major teams. (I know you did not make the original reference.) I see a lot of athletic players who have good swings.
Those monster swings will be interesting this year with a lot more ball movement.
Teddy,
Unless it is a Super NIT, the rosters for the fall are not terribly relevant and do not get set until April 1st. |
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jay
177 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 11:26:20
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Not sure if it's the same Titans Baseball... however, if I'm not mistaken, the Warriors take a championship game from the Titans a few weeks back.
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Originally posted by cam1
Here is my stab at the 14u rankings....
1) Astro's NO CONTEST also the best 15u as well....
2) Team Gwinnett A- Could be in a class by themselves as well
3) Stallions- obv have alot of football kids because have'nt been around this fall
The next ones are a big SWAG with no paticular order.
Combat
Team Gwinnett B
Paulding County- If they are still around I have much respect for what they done over the years
Braves
Forsyth Outlaws- are in their 1st tournament this weekend with team Gwinnett
ECB Warriors
Titans Baseball- if you have played them you know they can be very tough,but also unproven
ECB Titans- Have a proven coach that knows his stuff could be a sleeper
Chargers- have one of the best players in the state
All will shake out in the spring but this age group has alot of parody in it. I'm sure there will be lots of suprises but there is very few Elite teams anymore.
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loveforthegame25
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 12:23:44
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| 643 the first game Braves Team G was a good indication of how the two teams would stack up 1s vs 1s. But time will tell for all of us. |
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billbclk
164 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 12:42:19
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Guys, there was a reason we did not vote on 14U teams. IT DOES NOT MATTER. The focus is on getting better for high school, not winning plastic trophies or mythical state championships. At 14U we did not care if the ECB Astros were the best team in the state. It’s easy to be “that” good when all you players could be the best player on another team.
Either drop the ranking nonsense or if we really need to know who the best team in the state is then have the 20+ “registered” USSSA Major teams play a 20 game league schedule followed by a tournament. Invite some At Large AAA teams to give them a shot (or not) and then we will know. But since some of these teams are not completely aligned to high schools it still may not matter.
Bill Clark
Collins Hill Eagles 15U
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goyard
217 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 13:18:26
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playhard .... 4th tier, now that's a ranking put on the Stallions that i would just as soon prefer  I have a kid on that team and i would much rather see them "ranked" lower and play with less Hype & pressure. In the end, they might just surprise ya though - one thing I can say is that they look like they will gel well and will have a good synergy together. Looking greatly forward to this season! Glad there is a wealth of good talent and teams to match up with!! Should prove alot of fun! |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 22:03:37
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Playhard,
I think ECB_Insider got it closer to how things will probably be. The Stallions won't be 3rd best at EC until some of the other teams prove they can show some consistency. I think TG will be good, but I don't think there will be a consistent seperation between them and the rest of the better teams in the state. There are good teams at this age group and I think many will be surprised.
We shall see, but until June gets here, we really won't know any of this. |
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Leftypitcher
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 23:20:10
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Just out of curiosity, how many 2010 14u teams are out there with "Titans" in their name?
1) ECB Titans
2) North Georgia Titans
3) ??? |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2009 : 21:29:30
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Originally posted by billbclk
Guys, there was a reason we did not vote on 14U teams. IT DOES NOT MATTER. The focus is on getting better for high school, not winning plastic trophies or mythical state championships. At 14U we did not care if the ECB Astros were the best team in the state. It’s easy to be “that” good when all you players could be the best player on another team.
Either drop the ranking nonsense or if we really need to know who the best team in the state is then have the 20+ “registered” USSSA Major teams play a 20 game league schedule followed by a tournament. Invite some At Large AAA teams to give them a shot (or not) and then we will know. But since some of these teams are not completely aligned to high schools it still may not matter.
Bill Clark
Collins Hill Eagles 15U
Bill : you hit it dead on, lets stop the nonsense and team promotional posts , worst thing all about it is in my estimation its carried on 99% by parents and coaches.
So who does this indicate this is about in the end?!
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 15:28:29
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6-4-3,
Can you give us the difference (where the players came from) between the two Gwinnett teams? I think everyone is confused on which is which.
Is the team playing this fall the team that played as Team Gwinnett last year?
Which team is Team Gwinnett Mizuno?
Where did the 2nd team's players come from?
How many players, from either team are playing football this fall, and not playing baseball?
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billbclk
164 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 16:47:29
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Coachdan06
Obviously you went to my site. Team promotional posts are just a way of saying good job boys. In the end we are still playing competitive ball. Yes 99% do it (even the teams that win regularly). In that snap shot of time you accomplished something, by all means celebrate it.
But my original point is - there is NO WAY we can rank teams when the teams don't play against each other regularly. Does playing spot tournaments against some teams and not playing other teams tell you who is better?
When the games start to count (varsity baseball) then the rankings mean something.
Bill Clark
Collins Hill Eagles 15U
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playhard
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 10:10:39
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Alter-Ego
Yes the Team Gwinnet fall team is there last year spring team. They just added couple kids from Pro Spot Fitness on there fall team. Team Gwinnett Mizuno without giving names will have 7 players from Team Gwinnett/Mizuno last year team, 5 from Pro Spot Fitness, 1 from vipers Baseball/East Cobb Braves, and 1 from East cobb Warriors. The 2nd team will be made up of players from Team Gwinnett Mizuno, and other player from there try-out. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 11:39:53
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| Thanks playhard. That helps. It was just hard to keep up with who was where. Good luck to both teams. |
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coachdan06
433 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 00:12:19
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Originally posted by billbclk
Coachdan06
Obviously you went to my site. Team promotional posts are just a way of saying good job boys. In the end we are still playing competitive ball. Yes 99% do it (even the teams that win regularly). In that snap shot of time you accomplished something, by all means celebrate it.
But my original point is - there is NO WAY we can rank teams when the teams don't play against each other regularly. Does playing spot tournaments against some teams and not playing other teams tell you who is better?
When the games start to count (varsity baseball) then the rankings mean something.
Bill Clark
Collins Hill Eagles 15U
Bill in reality i havent seen your website its just that we think alike !
Varsity ball is about when it begins to matter indeed |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 10:13:54
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Coachdan and Bill,
But isn't Varsity ball a lot less competitive for most than Summer/Travel Ball? Most I have talked to seem to feel that way. |
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jaguars18
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 11:12:52
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| In order to be a top team you should play top tournaments and beat top teams. You can not just declare a team a good team without some type of evidence. |
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billbclk
164 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 14:59:12
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Good post 6-4-3.
Rankings in general are subjective. After 4 years of travel and trying to keep players from psyching themselves out based on a teams “perceived” ranking; I still think it’s counter productive to rank youth teams without a league schedule and some kind of playoff system. Although high school teams don’t all play each other they at least play a tournament that includes the best four regional teams who accomplished their position based on a season of play.
When we were 11 we beat the then #1 ranked Columbia County Stealth in an elimination game and finished the season 10 – 21. That year (and I had to look it up) we finished rank 16th by USSSA for the “AAA” division ahead of South Gwinnet Storm (good thing we did not have to play them).
Sure the boys got a kick out of the ranking but I don’t want them playing for rankings.
Alter-Ego:
I agree that if you take premier players from various schools to create summer teams that they will be more competitive.
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coachdan06
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Posted - 10/15/2009 : 00:18:25
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Originally posted by 6-4-3
I have to say, in defense of the kids, its a pretty arrogant thing to say that the rankings don't mean anything if your not in high school. If I accept your arguement that its all part of development for the next level, and that ranking the teams don't matter, they really don't matter in high school either, do they? College? Not really. Minor League? Nope. MLB, yes, because they are paid to win. However, look around because the chances of you having one of those MLB prospects at 14u is remote at best. If the kids are playing to be one of the top ranked teams at this age, that may be there only shot a greatness playing ball in their life.
Finally - when we stepped on the field this past weekend, a kid off of another team told his dad "see them, they are #2 in the state". Whether its true or not, don't ever think it doesnt matter to the kids or that the kids dont care.
643 with respect : is this a promotional message?
You slipped in the "2nd team in the state" message
I didnt find that ranking or close in the 14U USSSA pages  and above all that is my problem and observation over the years , that talking all this rankings stuff before varsity baseball is not verifyable or important because the kids all change so fast the field sizes change and until 16 or 17 we really dont know who will be good therefore go to varsity level not the middle school kids
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Columnist
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Posted - 10/16/2009 : 13:02:07
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| I find it humorous that we go through this drill every year with the same basic coaches/parents promoting their teams as top 5, while predicting the demise of the PC Vipers and EC Stallions. Yet every year, those two teams seem to be at top no matter what off-season changes they may have been through. The recruiting season is over, no need to prop up your team anymore. Let the games begin....NEXT SPRING!!! |
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13udad1234
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Posted - 10/17/2009 : 17:48:57
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quote:
Originally posted by cam1
Here is my stab at the 14u rankings....
1) Astro's NO CONTEST also the best 15u as well....
2) Team Gwinnett A- Could be in a class by themselves as well
3) Stallions- obv have alot of football kids because have'nt been around this fall
The next ones are a big SWAG with no paticular order.
Combat
Team Gwinnett B
Paulding County- If they are still around I have much respect for what they done over the years
Braves
Forsyth Outlaws- are in their 1st tournament this weekend with team Gwinnett
ECB Warriors
Titans Baseball- if you have played them you know they can be very tough,but also unproven
ECB Titans- Have a proven coach that knows his stuff could be a sleeper
Chargers- have one of the best players in the state
All will shake out in the spring but this age group has alot of parody in it. I'm sure there will be lots of suprises but there is very few Elite teams anymore.
There is no A or B team gwinnett. They both have very talented players and are fairly even and very good (both top 5)
Astros are not best 15u(ECB astros 15u)
ECB Warriors have improved greatly since last year.
Stallions will be very good. (top 5)
Titans(Not ECB) will sneak up on you
Titans (ECB) have a lot of questions about who will be on the team and who will coach it.
What is an elite team anyway? |
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mammabee
95 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2009 : 10:29:30
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i feel the real answer on all this team gwinnett promotional talk will be answered in the triple crown when they play some established teams
then look next spring when everyone plays with the final roster and without foootballers gone and youll have your final answer
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Originally posted by 13udad1234
quote:
Originally posted by cam1
Here is my stab at the 14u rankings....
1) Astro's NO CONTEST also the best 15u as well....
2) Team Gwinnett A- Could be in a class by themselves as well
3) Stallions- obv have alot of football kids because have'nt been around this fall
The next ones are a big SWAG with no paticular order.
Combat
Team Gwinnett B
Paulding County- If they are still around I have much respect for what they done over the years
Braves
Forsyth Outlaws- are in their 1st tournament this weekend with team Gwinnett
ECB Warriors
Titans Baseball- if you have played them you know they can be very tough,but also unproven
ECB Titans- Have a proven coach that knows his stuff could be a sleeper
Chargers- have one of the best players in the state
All will shake out in the spring but this age group has alot of parody in it. I'm sure there will be lots of suprises but there is very few Elite teams anymore.
There is no A or B team gwinnett. They both have very talented players and are fairly even and very good (both top 5)
Astros are not best 15u(ECB astros 15u)
ECB Warriors have improved greatly since last year.
Stallions will be very good. (top 5)
Titans(Not ECB) will sneak up on you
Titans (ECB) have a lot of questions about who will be on the team and who will coach it.
What is an elite team anyway?
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