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whos your daddy
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 Posted - 04/05/2012 : 16:00:23
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| When does a coach cross the line when it come to getting on or correcting a player. |
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BangTheBox
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 17:01:43
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At this age foul language or laying a hand in malice on a player.
Also add on field actions to this. We have had a rash of outbursts among coaches and suspesnsions. Some skippers need a good dose of reality and North FL baseball needs an enema with the way many coaches and parent$ behave.
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Originally posted by whos your daddy
When does a coach cross the line when it come to getting on or correcting a player.
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in_the_know
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 18:45:16
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| Too many answers to list. Language, tone, action, etc. |
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unosmom
17 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 19:31:31
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| Yeah we saw one this weekend in gulf shores, he's from a well known academy and makes all the coaches from this same academy look bad. When does their hand get slapped? You always here about the irate parents what about the out of control coaches? |
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BballNut
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 20:03:03
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| When you have to ask, he has probably already crossed the line. There's a school of thought that it should be expected since it's what happens when the boys get older. I disagree. The PG-13 rule should be applied. Using profanity to discipline or correct is unacceptable. Screaming in anger is unacceptable. Fingers in face is unacceptable, and the list goes on. At 12, coaches should be examples - NO EXCEPTIONS! The coach who disagrees should not be coaching. |
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whos your daddy
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 20:59:39
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| This past weekend I saw a coach that was so far out of line that it was very said. He went off so bad on this 12yr old child that if it was my son I would still be in jail in AL. for my actions. Their was no era, strikeout or anything this kid could have done for the actions of this coach. I was on the other field and when I heard him I came over and ask what the .... was going on. The parents from both side could here this coach. The said part about it he went back at the kid 3times. This was very uncalled for and I fell something needs to be done. We are talking about a so called man going at a child.If anyone has more info on what took place PLEASE reply. |
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BangTheBox
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Posted - 04/05/2012 : 22:47:46
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Speaking from the North Florida perspective since we are really south Georgia anyway here it is in b/w.
Parent apathy has gotten out of hand and it is mostly due to winning. If said team is winning then it is overlooked but if said team is not then it becomes an issue. This is backwards thinking. I can tell you this, we have a few teams in our area that have abrasive "I do not give a sh&@ type coaches that incorporate cursing and talk about adult topics in front of the players (some as low as 11u). This is from both teams who win and do not win. Those coaches will be displaced at the next level oddly enough (you know who you are)!
I agree once the 13 year olds are settled in and in it for the long haul then the PG-13 rule can come to the forefront. For the love of Pete at least let the kids enjoy one more year before it becomes a chore if they continue to the next level.
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bestplayinbaseball
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Posted - 04/06/2012 : 16:00:39
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If "those" coaches only could see themselves through the eyes of the multitudes of family, friends, and fans. If they could hear the conversations on the ride home that we have with our kids. "Does his behavior earn your respect?" "Were his actions in line with the right way to play the game?" "Would you play for him again?" "Did you learn anything when he yanked you, yelled at you, or did the same to a teammate!" "Would you march right into the mouth of a cannon for him?" We know who all "those" coaches are, in every age bracket. Many have been around travelball for too many years, with winning teams, but rarely more than a handful of players stay long. Some of us have played for him, once. Maybe we played for him twice becuase we were on a "winning" team. Hence the large turnover in travelball players. Seriously, some out of shape, non hustling, 3B coach, who doesn't own his own coaching errors (running a kid into an out, yelling go, go, go, get back, get back (indecieveness is not a trait of a leader) repositioning players and the ball goes where the kids were 2 seconds before) dogging a young man for a physical or mental error (which are part of the game.) That "same" coach that will trash talk a boy, his own team perhaps and yank him for an error, that he himself couldn't have made. Sure, it's easy to embarrass a young man, but watch out, that young man will soon be a man on his own. He'll soon be 6ft +, 200lbs +and might not feel the pressure to honor his parents teachings to respect his elder, his coach. He might just be the man that actually turns around and says "do 't talk to me that way, talk to me as a man.........not the coward that yells and demeans others. Not the coach that led me in prayer before a game but didn't serve one word he offered up in prayer.
Harry Truman said "men make history, not the other way around. In periods where there is no leadership.....society stands still. Progress occurs when courageous, skillfull leaders seize the opportunity to change things for the better." The top teams ineach age bracket are constantly on the chase by the teams below them. Those lesser "wannabe" teams seem to get to the "ship" or semi's only to fall victim to themselves. That is not on the kids! That's on their leader!
Great leaders in the history of time and baseball ( Reagan, McArthur, Torre, Cox, Lincoln, LaRussa, etc). Even in the face of defeat their armies, teams, populus believe in their leader and the leader believes in them. |
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nscuda01
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Posted - 04/06/2012 : 20:25:38
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| We had one of our coaches cross the argument line with another coach (see my previous posts) and it was a wake up call for him. Too much of the competitive culture is misplaced in bad sportsmanship. |
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bestplayinbaseball
67 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 23:31:41
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Originally posted by nscuda01
We had one of our coaches cross the argument line with another coach (see my previous posts) and it was a wake up call for him. Too much of the competitive culture is misplaced in bad sportsmanship.
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nscuda01
47 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2012 : 20:39:19
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Bestplayinbaseball I agree with you. Sometimes you do not have to say anything at all. To add to what I said we lose sight that competition should serve to develop parents, players and coaches alike.
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Originally posted by bestplayinbaseball
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Originally posted by nscuda01
We had one of our coaches cross the argument line with another coach (see my previous posts) and it was a wake up call for him. Too much of the competitive culture is misplaced in bad sportsmanship.
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2012 : 19:20:05
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| best: you had me until you put Bobby Cox up as a great leader... |
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resumetoproveit
85 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2012 : 09:10:31
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Originally posted by peashooter
best: you had me until you put Bobby Cox up as a great leader...
Speaking of great leaders Google Wally Backman ejection. I believe the incident happened in Albany as well. There are many at our level that have crossed this line when you look at things at scale. |
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Glenn Newton
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Posted - 04/09/2012 : 09:21:37
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Originally posted by peashooter
best: you had me until you put Bobby Cox up as a great leader...
pea: you never had me, majority of Cox's players would run through a brick wall for him, there's always a "bitter" one or two for whatever reasons, but World Series Rings dont measure a great leader, that is done by the owners pocket book. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 04/09/2012 : 09:32:40
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| We just finished one of those seasons in a different sport. I think if my son did not enjoy the sport so much, he would have quit for good. We were talking about the upcoming season, and when i asked if he wanted to play again his response to me was: "Remember last year when I had a great coach?" This was not baseball, but bad coaches really can affect our kids. |
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BangTheBox
121 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2012 : 10:12:45
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| Given the past holiday weekend. Can you imagine how fresh it would feel to return to the days of pure baseball coaching? Almost as good as me this morning with the sports page! |
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gatraveler
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Posted - 04/09/2012 : 13:03:20
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Speaking of great leaders Google Wally Backman ejection. I believe the incident happened in Albany as well. There are many at our level that have crossed this line when you look at things at scale.
Amazingly, Backman is highly thought of by the Mets. He's managing their AAA team in Buffalo. |
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BangTheBox
121 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2012 : 14:13:05
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At the pro level if you watched the tirade I do not have a problem with it. It is with the coaches at the youth (not 13 and beyond) that cross the line at that level. Now I am not saying they yell and curse like ole Wally did and does. He is a winner and so are many coaches in our age group both good and bad. I respect the ones that do it with style and grace not the ones that act like gangsters when they are really pranksters.
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Originally posted by gatraveler
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Speaking of great leaders Google Wally Backman ejection. I believe the incident happened in Albany as well. There are many at our level that have crossed this line when you look at things at scale.
Amazingly, Backman is highly thought of by the Mets. He's managing their AAA team in Buffalo.
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resumetoproveit
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Posted - 04/09/2012 : 21:48:51
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I know Bobby Cox personally and he does not curse as much as Wally Backman. Well I take that back. I took my own advice today and watched a bunch more vids and had to close my office door as they were definately NSFW. I had to put in the ear buds. Good stuff.
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Originally posted by gatraveler
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Speaking of great leaders Google Wally Backman ejection. I believe the incident happened in Albany as well. There are many at our level that have crossed this line when you look at things at scale.
Amazingly, Backman is highly thought of by the Mets. He's managing their AAA team in Buffalo.
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rippit
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Posted - 04/10/2012 : 08:23:48
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If a coach cussed out my kid, he shouldn't be surprised when my kid cusses him back. 
Seriously though, we are familiar with a trio of coaches who make complete fools if themselves every week. For the most part they are decent to their own players until one messed up and then the insults start to fly. They even argue with each other on the field. The parents are all making comments under their breath. Some have left the team only to home back again which I don't understand. It's those parents who allow this kind of junk to go on. |
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