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doubleplay11
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 Posted - 04/18/2012 : 09:25:19
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| JMHO but I think 250ft on a waist high fence doesn't take a bomb to get one out at 12. And I would agree that 300ft on a regular size fence is a bomb. Otherwise it just takes a big kid who likes the high stuff to send it out. |
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gatraveler
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 10:01:29
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Originally posted by doubleplay11
JMHO but I think 250ft on a waist high fence doesn't take a bomb to get one out at 12. And I would agree that 300ft on a regular size fence is a bomb. Otherwise it just takes a big kid who likes the high stuff to send it out.
How 'bout I meet you at Mt Bethel, and have a 12YO throw you 25 pitches? I bet you can't hit it out. |
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peashooter
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Posted - 04/18/2012 : 11:50:10
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| GATraveler, that is awesome! At 12U you can't POP UP a ball 260' You strike it well to get it that far. In High School you can hit a 260' popup. By saying a 12U kid can pop it up and hit it 260, you are saying they hit 350' home runs normally. I have seen 12U guys pop it up over 200' fences. |
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doubleplay11
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 06:58:22
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| Half these kids aren't really 12 anymore. A lot are in that "birthdate", are 7th graders, almost 13 and playing down. Enough discussion. P- you like Mt. Bethal. Just think the fences are short and close. Good to hear center is 300. Now if the fence was higher. A big kid that likes the high cheese can take it right out there. |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 10:14:00
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No, I won't let it go. I feel it was an irresponsible comment about the field. Why should I let it go? You didn't even know the dimensions of the field before bashing it. You are bashing a field that is 50' deeper than regulation 12U fields???
I think it is worse to play 12U ball on those huge lower fields a East Cobb, that changes the game a bunch. |
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mstimpson
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 11:27:49
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Originally posted by peashooter
No, I won't let it go. I feel it was an irresponsible comment about the field. Why should I let it go? You didn't even know the dimensions of the field before bashing it. You are bashing a field that is 50' deeper than regulation 12U fields???
I think it is worse to play 12U ball on those huge lower fields a East Cobb, that changes the game a bunch.
Hey peashooter! We may have to agree to disagree on this one ! This is just my opinion, but I love watching the boys play on bigger fields. I've seen 12U kids go deep on the lower fields, as well as hit line drives in the gaps and get triples and not be limited to singles or doubles. Playing on the big fields adds pressure to the defense and forces coaches to use strategy. 200 ft fences, just play your outfield deep and you're good or misplay a ball and suffer no true consequence. It is fun seeing the big fly, but seeing these boys having to make plays and reaping the benefits of a gap shot is more fun to me. |
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Glenn Newton
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 12:28:49
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Originally posted by peashooter
No, I won't let it go. I feel it was an irresponsible comment about the field. Why should I let it go? You didn't even know the dimensions of the field before bashing it. You are bashing a field that is 50' deeper than regulation 12U fields???
I think it is worse to play 12U ball on those huge lower fields a East Cobb, that changes the game a bunch.
"huge lower fields ", that desevres a "Come on Man", those fields are perfect for 12u, unless you dont have players to track fly balls, idk. |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2012 : 14:48:34
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That one field by the EMU's or Ostrich farm, is too big for 12U in my opinion. We always get that field. The others, I agree are good size.
If it was right for the game then big leaguers would have 500' CF and 400' down the lines.
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WGT
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Posted - 04/19/2012 : 16:02:08
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IMO, That field is the perfect size for 12u. It requires coaches to use every kid in the field accordingly and it takes a shot to get one over which is the way it should be. Homeruns shouldn't be easy. Shouldn't it take every bit of power a kid has to hit one?quote:
Originally posted by peashooter
That one field by the EMU's or Ostrich farm, is too big for 12U in my opinion. We always get that field. The others, I agree are good size.
If it was right for the game then big leaguers would have 500' CF and 400' down the lines.
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JABA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 09:10:10
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" Shouldn't it take every bit of power a kid has to hit one?"
Every bit of which kids power? Only the biggest and strongest? This isn't true in the major leagues, why should it be harder for 12 year old kids. It should take a very well hit ball for it to go over the fence, I don't like seeing pop fly home runs either. The one field discussed earlier, 250 down the line and 300 to center, sounds like a perfect field for 12U. Curious, how many home runs do you typically see on that field for 12U? My guess is there may be a couple, but I doubt the ball is flying out of the park every game. |
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WGT
24 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 09:49:33
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JABA,Are you saying 12 yr old kids should be able to hit homeruns as easily as the major league guys?? I bet most pros would tell you hitting a homer isn't easy. They just make it LOOK easy.quote:
Originally posted by JABA
" Shouldn't it take every bit of power a kid has to hit one?"
Every bit of which kids power? Only the biggest and strongest? This isn't true in the major leagues, why should it be harder for 12 year old kids. It should take a very well hit ball for it to go over the fence, I don't like seeing pop fly home runs either. The one field discussed earlier, 250 down the line and 300 to center, sounds like a perfect field for 12U. Curious, how many home runs do you typically see on that field for 12U? My guess is there may be a couple, but I doubt the ball is flying out of the park every game.
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JABA
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 10:05:48
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| What I'm saying is that 1 or 2 home runs in a game is okay, it's part of the game at every level. No, it should not be easy, I never said or implied that. It should take a very well hit ball to clear the fence. I guess I'm struggling with the assumption that hitting a ball over a fence that's probably 275 in the alleys and 300 straight away is "easy" for a 12 year old. In about 20 games so far this year I have seen 8 to 10 balls go 275 plus, that's one every two games. Doesn't sound easy to me........... |
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rakin
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Posted - 04/20/2012 : 10:53:19
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Originally posted by WGT
IMO, That field is the perfect size for 12u. It requires coaches to use every kid in the field accordingly and it takes a shot to get one over which is the way it should be. Homeruns shouldn't be easy. Shouldn't it take every bit of power a kid has to hit one?quote:
Originally posted by peashooter
That one field by the EMU's or Ostrich farm, is too big for 12U in my opinion. We always get that field. The others, I agree are good size.
If it was right for the game then big leaguers would have 500' CF and 400' down the lines.
You are right WGT! I do feel it should be like the big leagues. You should have to square one up, perfect swing, timing, the whole nine to reap the benefits of a homerun. Playing on small fields is like everyone getting a trophy in rec ball! This is travel baseball and should be played on fields that challenge the physical limits of these young gladiators. If you want your son to hit 15-20 bombs a season, go back down to rec. Nobody will fault you, plus it will be fun to run around the outside of the fence to retrieve the ball and sign it for your (opps, excuse me) little Johnny's trophy shelf. Juice boxes and cookies for all! |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 12:01:14
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Originally posted by JABA
What I'm saying is that 1 or 2 home runs in a game is okay, it's part of the game at every level. No, it should not be easy, I never said or implied that. It should take a very well hit ball to clear the fence. I guess I'm struggling with the assumption that hitting a ball over a fence that's probably 275 in the alleys and 300 straight away is "easy" for a 12 year old. In about 20 games so far this year I have seen 8 to 10 balls go 275 plus, that's one every two games. Doesn't sound easy to me...........
Would agree that there are very very few homeruns hit out on this field by 12U teams. I doubt there were any last weekend but I could be wrong. I will also bet you that there were several triples, in the park home runs etc..
This field size is great for 12U, lots of outfield so the outfielders have to really work, kids getting doubles, triples and if you hit one out, no one can call it cheap.
Does anyone know if there were any homeruns hit out of Mt Bethel last weekend? |
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LilBigTown
115 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 12:01:59
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rakin,
either your son has never hit one to sign or you are simply to big for 12u baseball which is it? Might want to let them be kids it wont last long |
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OffSpeed
40 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 12:07:48
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Originally posted by doubleplay11
Half these kids aren't really 12 anymore. A lot are in that "birthdate", are 7th graders, almost 13 and playing down. Enough discussion. P- you like Mt. Bethal. Just think the fences are short and close. Good to hear center is 300. Now if the fence was higher. A big kid that likes the high cheese can take it right out there.
I would take the bet that 100% of these kids are 12 currently. And at the end on May (6 weeks from now) only about 1/12th (8%) are 13.
Enough proven. |
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rakin
32 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2012 : 14:29:45
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Originally posted by LilBigTown
rakin,
either your son has never hit one to sign or you are simply to big for 12u baseball which is it? Might want to let them be kids it wont last long
Believe me! My son has hit plenty on 220-250ft fields. I don't shell out $1500 for morale victories or a false sense that my son has accomplished anything by hitting a 190ft blast. I play travel to have my son understand that this game is not fair, as is life. Plus, he will be 13 and a not a kid anymore next year. If I wanted to make sure he got plenty of at bats and his mandatory innings and be the best on his team, I would be playing rec. He knows that there is always someone better, so he works hard. He wants this, not me. He hates playing in cracker jack boxes and loves being able to flex on the big fields. He can be a kid when we are at home or on vacation, but when he steps between the lines in any sport he plays, he is on a mission ! |
Edited by - rakin on 04/20/2012 14:35:17 |
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