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FLABB
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 Posted - 10/10/2011 : 22:01:44
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Well said 11ufan. Every year the gaps close for teams accross the nation. Statistics say that half of the kids on teams we are talking about major/AAA/AA inclusive, will not make the transition to the big field no matter how good the coaching. It is just the reality of baseball.quote:
Originally posted by 11UFAN
I have a feeling this year when the real season begins there will be several non-East Cobb teams (just like many years in the past) that end up on the top of the heap in GA. All of us that have boys playing on an East Cobb team should want this. The better the competition, the better the kids get.
Even though my son plays out of East Cobb I get tired of all the chest banging that goes on from some parents just because their kid is on an East Cobb team. WHO CARES who thinks which team is the best before the season even starts (besides some of you of course)? I hope everyone gets beat by a "lesser" team this year and gets a good dose of reality.
And for GOD's sake let the kids figure it out on the field PLEASE!!
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 22:34:18
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The thread started is about 12U ecb teams so that is why the topic is specific to ecb. as far as the other teams in the state, wills park titans picked up two barrett kids but they will probably register as aaa.
Macon is now registered as AA, Select red should be major this yr after dominating aaa last season and i am not buying sandy plains and gamers blue as a major team either. to me, they are middle of the pack among the aaa teams listed.
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Vipers
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Posted - 10/11/2011 : 06:48:29
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Eastcobbkreskin, as far as improved teams, this Fall, the NIB Vipers have beaten the Shiloh Titans, Wills Park Warriors (twice), Roswell Hornets, Barrett Baseball and the NG Bulldogs, but we don't get any love on your list at 12U AAA???!!  |
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mstimpson
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Posted - 10/11/2011 : 08:58:23
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ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
based on off season pick ups and losses, here is where things have shaken out;
major teams:
braves
rays
astros
longhorn
high aaa teams;
stars
teams select
titans
spartans
warriors
mid level aaa;
dback
black knight
pride
phillies
Why are these four the only "legit" major teams? They are great teams, but just wanted to tap into your great expertise!
coach,
im not tryin to offend anyone but simply givn my own 2 cent on the subject. i look at a legit major team as one who will end up with a good record vs. other major teams next yr, maybe .500 or better would be the mendoza line. can you say a major team is legit if they go 10-25 vs. their peers? By usssa standards they should be categorized as aaa during the season right?
Sure you can be in the game and maybe lose 6-4 but to be taken seriously you need to win some games vs teams who people consider are better then you. also, for those who argue that you cant tell because nobody has played any games, to improve the next yr you have recruit players better then the ones you lost otherwise have you truely gotten better? the team down the street has and their a gunnin for ya, so strap em up and play ball
Thanks for the reply ecbinsider, this spring/summer will be fun. Why would a "legit" major team be "gunnin" for a "high AAA" team? One can see from last year, we are up for playing anyone. Just sayin'IMO, records are great to look at, but there is a respectablity factor that comes into play at some point, like showing respect for the coaches/players/parents across the field and not flipping a roster throughout a season. It seems a few in our age group seem to have lost sight of civility, respect for the game and mentoring young men (See the well stated posts by WGT, FLABB, Chris and 11UFAN on this thread, they get it). As I have mentioned in the past, coaches that have focused on those things have been successful, not from a record standpoint, but from reputation standpoint. That being said, no one will remember a particular team's record a year from now, but a coach's reputation is long lasting and a perceived reflection of character. That being said, I could care less what the "perfect" ranking system of USSSA says. As 11UFAN stated "Let the kids decide it on the field." Again, these are just my opinions and I enjoy reading and from time to time participating in the forum. Agree to disagree, it is all good!
PSA- To those that feel the necessity to bad mouth coaches/players/teams (especially players those were trying to recruit at one point) a word of advice. Be careful to whom you are talking, as you may not know whose ears your comments may land on.
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GODAWGSBASEBALL
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Posted - 10/11/2011 : 08:58:51
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| No doubt East Cobb has great coaches and players and will have top teams in Major and AAA, but I believe some of these other teams from other parks might just give them a run for their money in the upcoming season. It will be interesting to see what happens when the spring season arrives, it's very hard to tell during the fall, not all, but many teams have strong pickups that won't be with them during the spring. I see Select Red, Wills Park Titans, Moccs, Shiloh, Homeplate and the Gamers being very competitive teams for East Cobb in the spring. They all have some great players now matter where they register and rumor has it that the Gamers Red and Gamers Blue have joined forces for the spring season and if that's the truth, they may be the team to look out for. |
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ECBFan
4 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 09:22:14
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Vipers, great effort this Fall. I would also add Chain Baseball (Columbus) and OP Sharks as solid AAA teams to watch.
Insider, agree way too early to move Sandy Plains to Majors. Interested in kreskin's logic here...
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bball99
29 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 09:59:35
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Originally posted by GODAWGSBASEBALL
No doubt East Cobb has great coaches and players and will have top teams in Major and AAA, but I believe some of these other teams from other parks might just give them a run for their money in the upcoming season. It will be interesting to see what happens when the spring season arrives, it's very hard to tell during the fall, not all, but many teams have strong pickups that won't be with them during the spring. I see Select Red, Wills Park Titans, Moccs, Shiloh, Homeplate and the Gamers being very competitive teams for East Cobb in the spring. They all have some great players now matter where they register and rumor has it that the Gamers Red and Gamers Blue have joined forces for the spring season and if that's the truth, they may be the team to look out for.
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 10:24:46
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Vip, sorry for the snub, just an oversight on my part. Vipers are looking good and should get some love, I am sure there are many others out there that I did not include. That is why the question was asked?
ECBFan, As far as the logic on Sandy Plains, they had some strong pick ups from the Yankees(2) and I think one from the Titans?? They were 3 players away from being strong contender last year, maybe more of a hunch, but I like to take a big swing every once in a while.
GoDawg,, that is some scoop, and if true, Gamers Combo team should be a force.
As Mstimp says, Its all good! |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 11:05:14
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From ECBinsider
"Sure you can be in the game and maybe lose 6-4 but to be taken seriously you need to win some games vs teams who people consider are better then you. also, for those who argue that you cant tell because nobody has played any games, to improve the next yr you have recruit players better then the ones you lost otherwise have you truely gotten better?"
Insider,
First of all I do enjoy your posts and you know more than most about this age group but....I have to comment on the above:
You said for a team to get better you have to recruit better players than the ones you lost. That may be one way to do it or, here is a novel approach, coach up the kids you have, put them in the right positions and foster the best environment. I don't know much about most teams but I have a perfect case in point. Wills Park has a core group of kids that have been together forever. I kind of remember them from a few years ago but definitely take them serious now. They were quite the giant killers last year.
My point is: The emphasis on recruiting in travel ball is way, way, way out of control and is detrimental to the game. Hell, the MLB only does a fraction of the recruiting the travel ball world does. Coach them up or coach them out, if every kid doesn't get better by the end of the season what's the point.
Also, losing a game by 6-4 can matter, alot!! If you are on the winning side and are much much better then it is a loss for the winner. If you are on the losing side, you win if its against a really, really, good team. Teams get respect for playing teams tight if they are "better" than they are, not only did they step up and play a better team, they proved to themselves (and everyone else) that they can compete with anyone. |
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ECBFan
4 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 12:04:26
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GoDawg, rumor appears true. Elite Gamers roster on LeagueLineup shows 6 Red, 4 Blue and 1 Buzz Baseball from U-trip rosters.
JMO, West Forsyth will be tough. Heard they recently lost two very close games to ECB Warriors in pitching duels.
Kreskin, that's the spirit! I hope everyone takes their best swing. The Majors division will welcome some fresh contenders. Moccs and others were asking for this last season...  |
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sgates
48 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 14:43:48
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Call us AA for all I care, I guarantee you thats probably the last thing I think of each year, "what are people gonna classify us as?" Bottom line is in 3 seasons, somewhere around 180 games, I believe we have probably lost 4-6 times to AAA/AA teams. I dont care what classificiation a team is, we are only going to play in the biggest and the best tournaments around, always have, always will, and if that means not taking home trophy's, so be it. Im not in this for hardware. In turn, I have lost players because of this, which is fine, some want trophy's and Im ok with that, just different thoughts. If my kids can hit a 80mph fast ball on the outside corner or have less errors than the returning starting junior 3rd baseman when they tryout for their high school team in the coming years, that'll mean something, not pastic sitting in my office downstairs collecting dust.
I am extremely excited about our 2012 team, Ive never had this much speed and this many athletes. Not to mention I now have more baseball knowledge on my staff than Ive ever had. We'll see how we handle all the bigboys come March!
I have learned a lot about real friendships, backstabbing, respect and loyality over the past year, it has made me a better person, coach and dad!
Until February, Good day!
Steve |
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 15:40:29
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Hopefully all of these so called major teams will sign up to play majors when the time comes. Every off season we here that we are a major team and people actually claim this during tryouts but in reality very few teams actually make the jump. As for the Moccs we are better than most of the AAA teams on the average and nowhere near the top of the major division. One thing I can say is that we earned our way to the majors and havent begged to return (yet). A look at our roster will confirm that we grow within and have only picked up players when we were short due to Little League. I figure we must be doing something right since a few of our players are actively recruited by EC teams.(Go figure). Of course that is a whole different topic.
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12u12u
6 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 18:21:45
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| Agreed that Dawgs Will be tough. They have some big power. Picked up some new kids that are big and strong. They have a good mix of mid infield speed kids and big power corner kids. They got the kid from Tampa who is a beast. Plus a few other kids that can flat out pitch. Looking forward to seeing them this season |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2011 : 22:12:41
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sgates, I like it! Call us whatever you want to. Come spring time we will see who really plays in majors.
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Originally posted by sgates
Call us AA for all I care, I guarantee you thats probably the last thing I think of each year, "what are people gonna classify us as?" Bottom line is in 3 seasons, somewhere around 180 games, I believe we have probably lost 4-6 times to AAA/AA teams. I dont care what classificiation a team is, we are only going to play in the biggest and the best tournaments around, always have, always will, and if that means not taking home trophy's, so be it. Im not in this for hardware. In turn, I have lost players because of this, which is fine, some want trophy's and Im ok with that, just different thoughts. If my kids can hit a 80mph fast ball on the outside corner or have less errors than the returning starting junior 3rd baseman when they tryout for their high school team in the coming years, that'll mean something, not pastic sitting in my office downstairs collecting dust.
I am extremely excited about our 2012 team, Ive never had this much speed and this many athletes. Not to mention I now have more baseball knowledge on my staff than Ive ever had. We'll see how we handle all the bigboys come March!
I have learned a lot about real friendships, backstabbing, respect and loyality over the past year, it has made me a better person, coach and dad!
Until February, Good day!
Steve
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JJJ
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2011 : 22:42:47
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Can we just let the kids play and have fun and stop with all the rankings and predictions? These things benefit nobody. Bravesfan is one of several on here that are always talking about there own team. It seems the Longhorns have taken a break from the message board chest pounding. Last year, every post was from the Longhorns or Rays and both turned out to be solid but far from the dominate teams they predicted in fall ball.
The Rays had a .500 record against majors so they were barely a major team let alone a team challenging for the top spot. The Rays were about even with Wills Park and yet Wills Park was AAA team that doesn't come on here talking about how great they are and who they picked up. It's fall ball!
I'm tired of reading these useless post. How about talking about USSSA making us all go out and buy new bats even though the ones we had last year would work just fine. I just lost $300 out of the deal as my sons bat from last year would have worked just fine. It sounds like I need to go out and buy a $300 sticker. I'm very surprised that this isn't a bigger deal in these difficult financial times. I'm hiding the bat from the wife as she would go crazy to see we had to spend more money on travel baseball. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 11:50:24
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Now there's a topic. The largest "spend" you've hidden from your spouse on travel baseball.
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..................... I'm hiding the bat from the wife as she would go crazy to see we had to spend more money on travel baseball.
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Bullpen@
21 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 12:11:46
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| Agreed JJJ. I do enjoy the reads, but the chest pumping and saying how great your team/kid is only seems to apply to this age group. You just don't see it anywhere else. Sure seems the ones with the chest pumping also have the biggest turnover each year. When did this stop being a kids game and turn into a business. By the way I looked up the last few tournament results and am ready to release my top 50 power ranking. |
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 14:02:12
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JJJ,
wow, your post could have been taken to heart by all on this topic, however, in between your "Can we just let the kids play and have fun and stop with all the rankings and predictions?" and "I'm tired of reading these useless post" you proceeded to give your opinion on the Rays and Longhorns last year's season and then went on to compare and contrast the Rays and Wills park and inferring as to whether one should be AAA or Major and quoting winning % so we should not be casting too many stones.
As for the hiding the $300.00 bat, well, I think there will be lots of bat hiding as many dads will continue to put money out for new bat after bat wondering why Johnny is struggling mentally because he is used to having a lot more pop. It will be kind of like my golf club scenario, I can keep buying the new clubs, but it is not the club doing the swinging. I predict that there will be a lot of slightly used bats available by June 2012.
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Originally posted by JJJ
These things benefit nobody. Bravesfan is one of several on here that are always talking about there own team. It seems the Longhorns have taken a break from the message board chest pounding. Last year, every post was from the Longhorns or Rays and both turned out to be solid but far from the dominate teams they predicted in fall ball.
The Rays had a .500 record against majors so they were barely a major team let alone a team challenging for the top spot. The Rays were about even with Wills Park and yet Wills Park was AAA team that doesn't come on here talking about how great they are and who they picked up. It's fall ball!
I'm tired of reading these useless post. How about talking about USSSA making us all go out and buy new bats even though the ones we had last year would work just fine. I just lost $300 out of the deal as my sons bat from last year would have worked just fine. It sounds like I need to go out and buy a $300 sticker. I'm very surprised that this isn't a bigger deal in these difficult financial times. I'm hiding the bat from the wife as she would go crazy to see we had to spend more money on travel baseball.
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 15:06:35
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JJJ,
I agree with your first two sentences. But when you start pounding specific teams right after that you are part of the problem. You're just another guy on here with an axe to grind. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 16:25:12
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Originally posted by 11UFAN
JJJ,
I agree with your first two sentences. But when you start pounding specific teams right after that you are part of the problem. You're just another guy on here with an axe to grind.
Solid.... |
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JJJ
12 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 16:47:13
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11Ufan - you must be new to the board otherwise you would have agreed with the first 5 sentences. I should not have stooped to this level but I think there are a lot of great teams out there. I took shots at the guys that are constantly putting other teams or kids down to help them feel better about their own team - again I shouldn't have done it. It's the same guys/teams doing this every year. I should not have done that but I'm tired of the "we have the best P or 3rd Baseman" or whatever crap these teams are throwing around.
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sportsdad2
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Posted - 10/13/2011 : 16:47:50
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I usually don't reply, but I do enjoy reading this site. I see it as only mindless entertainment. It only matters what happens on the fields, and more importantly what the boys learn in sport and in life from the game of baseball. So we enjoy pounding our chest and talking about who will beat who, or who's team will be better next year. So what. It's like college football, if there was only one league and a clear cut playoff system in college football, the talk radio and fans wouldn't have as much fun saying SEC is better than Big 12 and Big 10 ... etc.
As my wife once said, wasting time on this site is better than all these men spending time on porn sites or getting in trouble in other ways. ( or maybe some are good at multi-tasking) lol
I only take a small percentage of what is said on here as fact. It is entertaining though. This is like our internet Barber Shop conversations like the scenes in Coming to America. Have fun and enjoy. Not sure who is better, Cassius Clay or Rocky Marciano.
But, ......
I am curious who you think will be the top 10 teams at 12 U next year.
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2011 : 22:32:52
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Originally posted by JJJ
11Ufan - you must be new to the board otherwise you would have agreed with the first 5 sentences. I should not have stooped to this level but I think there are a lot of great teams out there. I took shots at the guys that are constantly putting other teams or kids down to help them feel better about their own team - again I shouldn't have done it. It's the same guys/teams doing this every year. I should not have done that but I'm tired of the "we have the best P or 3rd Baseman" or whatever crap these teams are throwing around.
Carry on.
Hey 1 post I'm not new to the board. I Just think we should all try to keep it positive.
Way to man up and say you shouldn't have done it. Don't let a few posters bring you down into the mud with them. If you don't have something positive to say about a team don't say anything at all. Helluva alot of really good teams out there this year and that should make every team and all players better.
12U is the "last" really fun year for the kids. After this year puberty starts kicking in, fields get bigger, some kids go right to the big field and many others will hang up there cleats. Let's all try and show a little respect for the game.
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2011 : 23:16:53
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But, ......
I am curious who you think will be the top 10 teams at 12 U next year.
sportdad2, this is really up for debate since most of the top ten arent playn fall or even practicing. here is my best educated guess at a preseason top 10, please be aware I am not tryn to offend anyone but givn my .02 cent.
Instead of ranking the top ten, let me break it into groups.
EC Braves and Stealth, should be the top 2 teams in the state. correct me if i am wrong but they didnt get to play much against each other last yr.
EC Rays, EC Astros, EC horns, GA Grays, Shiloh all make up the next group. Any of these teams can knock off the one of the top 2 so that is why I put these teams in this group.
Elite Gamers, CC bulldogs, WP Titans & Mocs make up the next group of teams. All these guys are competitive with the 2nd group but would need a perfect game to beat the top 2 teams so that is why they are here.
A couple of teams that could break into the top include, GA Select Red & HP Dogs
Thoughts?
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 10/16/2011 : 23:02:31
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