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Catch3dad
90 Posts |
 Posted - 10/06/2011 : 10:39:05
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2012 - east cobb 12 u teams
who's on first? Whats on 2nd? I don't knows on 3rd?
Any info or updated are welcome.
Braves -- trying to keep last years team together?
Phillies -- some of last years EC National?
Black Knights -- some players from last years Shaw Park Jackets team?
Astros - new team / paid coach / major
Diamondback -- last years Diamondback and some players from Sandy Plains wildcats?
Longhorns -- trying to keep core from last years team together?
Select -- core from last years Titans team?
Titans -- new team--
Warriors -- moved . same team as West Cobb Warriors?
Pride -- core from last years Yankees team - paid coach with no son on team?
Stars -- small core from last years Stars team?
Spartans -- core from last years Spartans team?
Team Reebok - new team- D O A?
Rays - - same basic team as last season?
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Edited by - Catch3dad on 07/23/2011 16:52:16
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sportsdad2
17 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2011 : 13:51:46
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2011 : 15:55:28
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| Reebok is DOA, also saw someone posting for an ec blue jays team too? Many many changes with most team, probably wont be till spring till it gets sorted and we know who has what. Hearing the braves had roster minimal changes but all other teams turned over 6 players or more. correct me if i am wrong but that is what the grapevine is yielding. |
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M. Bare
26 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2011 : 17:43:44
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| Braves trying to keep last year's team together? They've added several strong players and will still be the team to beat at East Cobb. Warriors are last year's West Cobb Warriors. Longhorn's did lose some good players but also have some strong pick ups. Pride only has 2 or 3 ex-Yanks, hardly the core team and Spartans only kept 4. The Astros are the big ? at 12u. |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2011 : 20:21:17
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Originally posted by M. Bare
Braves trying to keep last year's team together? They've added several strong players and will still be the team to beat at East Cobb. Warriors are last year's West Cobb Warriors. Longhorn's did lose some good players but also have some strong pick ups. Pride only has 2 or 3 ex-Yanks, hardly the core team and Spartans only kept 4. The Astros are the big ? at 12u.
Pride has at least 4 players from last years Yankees. |
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 09:27:11
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Major-Elite
Braves --come on, they don't have to try too hard to stay together, they will be the team to beat
Rays --clear number 2 of ECB, will give Braves a good run on occasion
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Longhorns -- new paid coach? lost 3 strong players, have struggled a bit this fall, depends on how new gel with old, not hearing much "horn tooting on the board this year" (get it, horn tooting:>)) chemistry is key
Spartans -- looks like a big improvement, a few good pick ups from Raptors & Titans added to a strong core, watch out
Stars -- will be a fast team, picked up 3-4 Yankees and Yankee coach, a 1-2 Longhorns, not sure how much of the core has left to go elsewhere, need a few big bats, won't know until hunting season is over
Astros - biggest unknown, starting from scratch, takes time to gel, still have not seen posted roster, 1 last years 12u ECB Astro, a Raptor or two, a Star or two, maybe an out of towner or two???
Select -- lost some key players, one to braves, another moved away, not sure yet what the pick ups are? team chemistry is the key
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Pride -- not sure how much of Yankee core they got
Titans -- new team-one kid from last years12u ECB Astros & 1 from last years 12u GA Jackets white, 3 Spartans & Spartan coach??
Phillies -- Nationals core with some good pick ups and getting plenty of game time this fall
Just do not have any info on these four so not sure where they would fall
Diamondback -- ??
Warriors -- ??
Black Knights -- ??
BlueJays --????? |
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Catch3dad
90 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 10:13:07
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Originally posted by eastcobbkreskin
Major-Elite
Braves --come on, they don't have to try too hard to stay together, they will be the team to beat -- any losses to Astros team??[
Rays --clear number 2 of ECB, will give Braves a good run on occasion - may be better than - .500 record vs. Majors last year . not sure I agree with clear number 2 at EC
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Longhorns -- new paid coach? lost 3 strong players, have struggled a bit this fall, depends on how new gel with old, not hearing much "horn tooting on the board this year" (get it, horn tooting:>)) chemistry is key - beat all the big boys at least once last season. Elite 32 team last year. Would rate them higher. new players are key
Spartans -- looks like a big improvement, a few good pick ups from Raptors & Titans added to a strong core, watch out - played better late last season but with players from other teams that are not with them this year. Maybe improved but don't think this high. Not sure they are a Major yet
Stars -- will be a fast team, picked up 3-4 Yankees and Yankee coach, a 1-2 Longhorns, not sure how much of the core has left to go elsewhere, need a few big bats, won't know until hunting season is over ?? are they even practicing yet?
Astros - biggest unknown, starting from scratch, takes time to gel, still have not seen posted roster, 1 last years 12u ECB Astro, a Raptor or two, a Star or two, maybe an out of towner or two??? -- everyones wondering but may have issues if not very good very fast, big target on their back with Astros name on the front 
Select -- lost some key players, one to braves, another moved away, not sure yet what the pick ups are? team chemistry is the key - last years Titans, always a very pesky team. seem like alot of turnover, were still looking for key pieces later most teams were already set
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Pride -- not sure how much of Yankee core they got - at least 4 Yankees from last year. Like the Pride approach, actual paid coach with no kid on team. will run the team in game not just help out at a practice or two. will not be out coached during the games.
Titans -- new team-one kid from last years12u ECB Astros & 1 from last years 12u GA Jackets white, 3 Spartans & Spartan coach?? - don't know much about them. Like the Titans program,
Phillies -- Nationals core with some good pick ups and getting plenty of game time this fall - Maybe strong that last years Nationals. would rank them a lower AAA team.
Just do not have any info on these four so not sure where they would fall
Diamondback -- ?? - changes from last years team but they didn't win many games. aa/aaa level?
Warriors -- ?? - Added East Cobb to their name - same basic team as West GA warriors team ?
Black Knights -- ?? - AA/AAA teamBlueJays --????? - heard nothing
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ECBFan
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 11:34:27
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Diamondbacks -- 4 returning players + 4 players from SP Wildcats.
Spartans -- 3 returning players? Solid coaching and strong pickups. Maybe mid-AAA out of gate?
Warriors -- 5 returning players from West Cobb. Added some pop and pitching depth. Strong showing in Fall AAA tourneys.
Blue Jays -- Probably not ECB team. Blue Jays Baseball Academy in Hiram.
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 15:22:34
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ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
based on off season pick ups and losses, here is where things have shaken out;
major teams:
braves
rays
astros
longhorn
high aaa teams;
stars
teams select
titans
spartans
warriors
mid level aaa;
dback
black knight
pride
phillies |
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oldschooldad
203 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 16:19:03
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Originally posted by ecbinsider
ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
based on off season pick ups and losses, here is where things have shaken out;
major teams:
braves
rays
astros
longhorn
high aaa teams;
stars
teams select
titans
spartans
warriors
mid level aaa;
dback
black knight
pride
phillies
No dog in this fight but how did you make your picks? Many teams have not played any games and some have not practiced together yet. |
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 16:52:47
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Insider, lets just say there will be 7 that will play Major tournaments, last year the Stars and Select played majors and were not that successful, but I don't see them backing down from playing in Major tournaments. The Longhorns are a different team than last years, they have pitching but they will struggle with the bats. The Spartans have upgraded significantly from last years team and will give the Stars, Select, and the Longhorns all they can handle. Until we see a roster, I am not sold the Astros will be winning many Major games. Braves still #1, Rays are #2
Remember last year ECB Majors: 1. Braves 2. Longhorns 3. Rays 4. Stars 5. Titans 6. Yankees
How many major players does it take to play Majors? Playing majors is one thing. Winning major tournaments is something totally different. In order to win in the majors, Managing parent and player expectations and Team chemistry is just as important as having major ball players. Some of the teams mentioned above have great team chemistry and some of the other teams tend to need to have a team meeting each and every time the team does not perform up to the expectation of the parents. Most teams can only survive so many of these post tournament unplanned team get togethers.
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Originally posted by ecbinsider
ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 17:15:38
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| Looks like 9 of them are in the Triple Crown Fall Championship. So I guess we will see where everyone stacks up.. |
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ecbpappi
244 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 20:41:43
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kreskin,
you seem very high on the spartans, didn't they get play up in alpharetta a few weeks ago?? Is it based on that performance that you are raving about? They might end up being a good team but you have to learn to crawl before you can walk, the big boys will register as majors and play a true major schedule. Entering a few triple crown tournaments doesn't count because there are more aa/aaa teams then majors.
As far as the longhorns, I think they will be fine with the bats but need to tighten up the handles. I heard they picked up the big hitter from the raptors and one of the better sticks from the stars. |
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ONE WAY
48 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2011 : 21:43:57
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The major teams will be based on PITCHING if you do not have enough you will no win on the 12u major level. The big tournaments will have at least 30team in them, so if u lack PITCHING you will not compete at this level. Their will be 12u team popping up from every were come spring so just sit back and let the chips fall were they fall.
Oh ya for those that want to pick top teams look at the record of the top team u are picking and the teams they did not beat and they will not be the top team |
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M. Bare
26 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 07:23:58
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Thought Spartans lost both their games up in Alpharetta but it is only fall, certainly on paper have a very seasoned group of players, ultimately coaching will be the deciding factor in success.
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 09:37:14
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Pappi,
On the horns: Didn't they struggle so far here in the fall? From what I've seen and heard, the horns are missing team speed and have too many corner men and not enough middle infielders nor speedy outfielders? You can only have so many 3rd baseman on a team. At least in the major games, along with their great pitching, the horns will need a couple of confident closers so they can win a lot of low scoring close games. What do you mean by "tightening up the handle"???
One way is right on about the pitching, and I would agree that is where the Spartans will have to prove themselves, however, they are on the way up and a few of the teams that were on top are beginning to fade.
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ecbpappi
244 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 15:47:36
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Spartans did go 0-2 and got shut out in one game but kreskin believes they are ready for the big time, I am more of a wait and see kind of guy. They have improved but also lost some good players, all teams have.
as far as the horns, sounds like you've got them all figured out. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/08/2011 : 20:07:17
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Sounds like kreskin is a disenfranchised dad? Maybe from the Longhorns at some point? I wouldn't be counting anyone out until we get a few Spring tourney's under our belt. I don't waste any time keeping up with teams pick-up's and drop's but I do know the horns got some big bats. That kid from the Raptors is a BEAST.
I know this is an East Cobb thread but there are also a bunch of really good teams that aren't affiliated with that organization. Expect a bunch of them to crack the top five/ten this year just like every other year. |
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sportsman
37 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 10:20:58
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The Spartans are my surprise team next season. I think they will be the clear #5 team. I also like the Titans to make some noise.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Astros. I hear that they don't play fall ball so some on this board will rank them lower because of it. Come spring, the Astros will battle with the Rays for the 3rd spot at East Cobb. From what I have heard, the Astros have the better pitching between those two teams so I would give a slight edge in that direction.
I think the Horns are the clear number two team as they have been better pitching and hitting than anyone besides the Braves. I'm also hearing good things about the Select team.
Why didn't all of the parents take their son out for the Astros try-out this summer? There were many on here posting that if they would put together a dream team at 12U they would take their son out for that team. The Astros are a paid coached team without a dad managing, which was exactly what they were asking for. What happened? |
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mstimpson
57 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 12:42:58
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Originally posted by ecbinsider
ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
based on off season pick ups and losses, here is where things have shaken out;
major teams:
braves
rays
astros
longhorn
high aaa teams;
stars
teams select
titans
spartans
warriors
mid level aaa;
dback
black knight
pride
phillies
Why are these four the only "legit" major teams? They are great teams, but just wanted to tap into your great expertise! |
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BravesFan
533 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 13:14:00
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to be honest, I don't think there will be a clear #1 team at east cobb next yr. I see too much parity among the top 3-4 teams and what you will see is teams winning some and losing some games. You saw it last yr with the braves, they lost more games then in previous yrs but does that mean their not good? Nope, it just means other teams are getting good too and closing the gap in talent plus in any one game you never know what can happen.
I am curious to see all the new teams play with their full rosters, football is still king in the fall so too much is being made of 1-2 fall tournament results. If the fall is any judge for the spring then the Rays would be king of the hill but the smarter folks know this is a marathon and not a sprint.
Sure the Rays beat the Rebels (braves) but the players the Rebels picked up to play are not better then the braves who werent playin so there needs to an * next to that one. Rays might have the Braves killer on their staff tha wasn't there last yr, we shall see |
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sportsman
37 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 15:32:36
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How do you label anyone the king when most teams aren't even playing? From what I've heard, the Braves, Astros and Stars aren't playing fall ball so I'm not sure what any of this means. Is this the same guy that was talking about the Rays at this time last year? Didn't he say that they had the best 4 players in the state at SS, 2nd, CF and C or did I miss something? How did that work out?
There was the annual player shuffle but I don't see a lot changing from last year other than the Astros have joined the circus. The Horns were clearly the only team at ECB that could beat the top major teams so any other talk is non-sense at this point.
If anyone is going to challenge for the top spot, it will be the Horns, maybe the Astros. |
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WGT
24 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 17:13:34
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Bravesfan, Be careful who you call "not as good". Some of these kids read these posts and may take your statement personally. Besides, do you know the non-braves kids. I don't think so because they don't know you. Are you basing your statement on the tourny the Rays beat the Rebels in? I wouldn't put too much stock in that because the Rebels are a team who just got together to have fun. They aren't committed in any way to win the tournys they enter.Sure they want to, but they are not in a win at all cost mentality like some of the teams already are. I know these kids on this team and am sure they could play for any East Cobb team out there. A bit early to be bashing players isn't it?
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 20:02:50
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Originally posted by mstimpson
quote:
Originally posted by ecbinsider
ECKreskin, are you saying there will be 7 major caliber teams out of east cobb next year? last year there there were only 4 legit major teams, Braves, Rays, Longhorns & Titans so I just dont see where picking up players from other aa or aaa teams makes them major/elite.
based on off season pick ups and losses, here is where things have shaken out;
major teams:
braves
rays
astros
longhorn
high aaa teams;
stars
teams select
titans
spartans
warriors
mid level aaa;
dback
black knight
pride
phillies
Why are these four the only "legit" major teams? They are great teams, but just wanted to tap into your great expertise!
coach,
im not tryin to offend anyone but simply givn my own 2 cent on the subject. i look at a legit major team as one who will end up with a good record vs. other major teams next yr, maybe .500 or better would be the mendoza line. can you say a major team is legit if they go 10-25 vs. their peers? By usssa standards they should be categorized as aaa during the season right?
Sure you can be in the game and maybe lose 6-4 but to be taken seriously you need to win some games vs teams who people consider are better then you. also, for those who argue that you cant tell because nobody has played any games, to improve the next yr you have recruit players better then the ones you lost otherwise have you truely gotten better? the team down the street has and their a gunnin for ya, so strap em up and play ball
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 21:13:10
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I have a feeling this year when the real season begins there will be several non-East Cobb teams (just like many years in the past) that end up on the top of the heap in GA. All of us that have boys playing on an East Cobb team should want this. The better the competition, the better the kids get.
Even though my son plays out of East Cobb I get tired of all the chest banging that goes on from some parents just because their kid is on an East Cobb team. WHO CARES who thinks which team is the best before the season even starts (besides some of you of course)? I hope everyone gets beat by a "lesser" team this year and gets a good dose of reality.
And for GOD's sake let the kids figure it out on the field PLEASE!! |
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eastcobbkreskin
143 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 21:48:06
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Ok, how about the 12U non-ECB teams - who has improved? who is Major? any surprise teams? this may just prove if this forum is mainly ECBers or not.
Major-
Bombers, Wills Park Titans, GA Grays
Mid Major-
Mid ga Moccs, GA Select Red, Gamers Blue, Macon Cards, Southern Sluggers, Sandy Plains Wildcats, Columbia County Bulldogs, Shiloh Titans
High -AAA- (no particular order) 643, Gamers Red, Milton Nationals, Roswell Hornets, Hobgood Thrashers, HP Chilidogs, Midway Mavs, SFCB Barrett, Patriot Baseball, Alpharetta A's, Buckhead Braves, Wills Park Warriors, Vortex, Parkview Panthers, MGBA Monarchs
Any of these high AAA teams need to be moved up? Gamers Red? Monarchs |
Edited by - eastcobbkreskin on 10/10/2011 21:57:09 |
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