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ecbpappi
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 Posted - 03/22/2011 : 10:16:24
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Question for everyone out there, what are your feelings about pulling a kid from his defensive position during an inning for an error, metal lapse or lack of effort. Is that the right thing to do or should you wait till they come in between innings?? For discussion sake, let's assume this is a pool game.
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moccs
349 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 10:46:49
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| I dont think it would be proper to pull a kid out in the middle of the game and humiliate him in front of everyone.I would wait until the inning was over and speak with the child in the dug out. I would think the parent would have a problem with embarassing the child also or picking their child out especially since at this age many will make errors. An exception would be for attitude or sportsmanship of the player . A lack of effort would make it a closer call but i would error on the side of the effect on the child. |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 10:56:52
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| Only reason to pull in middle of inning might be a serious lack of effort or bad attitude. Beyond that, let them play it out, they know they made a mistake and embarrassing them in the middle of an inning will not help. |
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bball-fan
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 11:00:22
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One error/ mental lapse/ lack of effort occassionally, let it pass. It's going to happen to everyone. If the player has those issues regularly, and it is addressed by the coaches and the player makes no effort to improve, pull him. It's not rec ball, you don't perform, you don't play. Now if the player shows serious disrespect towards coaches/umps/other players, pull him instantly, no warning, no questions.
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bb2210
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 11:43:52
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| IMHO, it depends on the reason - my kid has made defensive errors even while giving it his all so in that case between innings is fine - metal errors made because he is still replaying the play he didnt make or error made because he is still kicking dirt or slapping his glove on his leg from previous error - pull him now or I'm going out there and do it myself :) |
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gloveman
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 11:44:42
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| Know one has to tell a kid they screwed up. They no it, and I bet they will tell you so. They feel horrible every time they let us coaches and parents down. I see no reason to add to that by pulling him in the middle of the inning. That walk of shame can leave a mark. Now, if it because of a lack of effort then that is another story. Coaches will no the deifference, I hope..... |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:02:40
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| Depends on if the player who makes the "mental mistake" is a player who does it often. Sometimes kids just boot a ball or take a lazy route to the ball, other times it is the same kid over and over again. IF that is the case then absolutely pull him in the middle of an inning, hold him accountable for being lazy or making the same mistake multiple times. If it is an honest error where they tried 100% and they aren't the kid who makes a bunch of errors then I wouldn't yank them. JMO but I believe it is easier for most kids to be a great defensive player than a great offensive player. |
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baller
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:04:38
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| absolutely not for an error or mental lapse as that "coaching" can wait until the dugout. However, for a complete lack of effort or a obvious bad attitude, in rare situations I think it may send the right message to the player and his teammates as well. |
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nastycurve
244 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:20:53
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I think everybody can make an error, so, initially, you have to judge the player's effort. If the error was made at full speed and with 100% effort, then you give him another chance. If he has no effort and doesnt care, then you pull him for someone who does care who is currently sitting on your bench.
You also have to look at the good of the overall team and the reason you are out there. If a kid is giving unbelievable effort but its just not happening, maybe its just not his day. As a coach, you are supposed to teach them that they will get a chance to fight another day.
So in all I feel like this:
one error max effort: leave him in
one-two errors, extreme lack of effort: pull him immediately
multiple errors but max effort: judgement call, but i would pull him after the inning |
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:34:12
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| No way would I pull a kid, short of an injury, bad attitude or emotional breakdown. |
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 12:45:00
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| As a parent who's child has been pulled in mid inning it stinks you just feel terible for your kid. In my case it happened at 9u. To this day I still think it was wrong my son was pulled simply for misplayin fly ball in left not effort attitude etc.as a coach there is no way I would do it. Most of the time the coach prob had kid in wrong position anyways. With that bein said I also never ? The coach its his team and his decision. Trust I have a great group of parents but I get second guessed all the time and that's no fun. |
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PATbb
58 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 13:12:54
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| witnessed the following during one of the 11u Major-snit Sunday morning games, following a couple of errors and a mental mistake, a coach called timeout, ran onto the field and proceeded to get in the kid's (second baseman) face...loud and nasty, then he pulls him from the game and pronounces so that all can hear that the boy can remain on the bench the rest of the day...according to one of the parents from the team,,,the boy was this coach's son....probably the worst of the worst of these types of cases....personally, I think the ump should have thrown the coach out of the game and out of the park....sad situation for the boy and I am betting it was a long ride home. |
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reallycoach
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 14:16:05
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| Not unless they have an effort or attitude issue. The effect of most other reasons is the team and player tightening up and increasing the number of errors and creating a moral issue. |
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GetaGrip
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Posted - 03/22/2011 : 18:47:40
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| No Way! Kids learn from mistakes and everyone makes them, including the BIG GUYS! If you want to grown a player/kid teach them to shake- a mistake, learn and move on! |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 20:52:52
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| I think at most levels regardless of effort, if you continue to make errors you will get to know the bench. Unless you can really rake!! The kids know they made a mistake sure, but pulling them can and will send a message, also it could give the coach a shock that just maybe he has kids playing in positions where they just don't belong!! |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2011 : 22:39:24
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| Honestly, the sooner these kids learn they have to EARN there position the better it will be for them in the long run. If you don't have consquences for making multiple errors how will you ever learn to be better. If your taken out of the game then you know what you have to do for the week, before you play again. Players have to learn to be accountable for there positions and team. If your not performing you should be doing more REPS during the week to better yourself. Good example, my son couldn't beat out a throw from right field to 1st. Granted it was a line drive the rgt fielder never had to move to get, and it one hoped right to him, then he made the throw to 1st and beat my son by maybe 1/2 step. Well, after the game my son came to me and said I want to be faster or even the fastest so on Monday can we start working on that. Long story short, Monday & today he put on 5 pound ankle weights and ran bases and sprints with them and worked on his running technique for about 30 minutes in addition to his normal workout. Its amazing what these kids can do when they put there mind to it. |
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catch and throw
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 00:07:01
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| Only reason to pull in middle of inning is attitude or lack of effort.My son made a bad throw at short and sat on his feet with runners on so I yanked him out immediately! I tell him and the rest of the team, you will make mistakes and I ll try to correct it so hopefully you won t do it again , the only time I ll be upset is when you don t hustle.You would be amazed at how far that will go with kids. |
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 07:04:17
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| There's a difference between showing a kid the bench and pulling him mid-inning. S4 & Gwinnett, are you two saying that it's okay to pull a kid mid-inning for multiple errors/poor play? |
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reallycoach
64 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 08:41:48
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| I agree players need to be accountable as do coaches. However, holding someone accountable and embarrassing them is two completly different things. No need to pull a kid in the middle of an inning to hold tham accountable. This is 11 year old ball and they pay a lot of money to be there. So if pulling simply due to errors do it at the end of the inning, bench them and explain to them and the parent why. Also be consistent. Do not bench little johnny for an error unless your willing to bench that star player for the same errors. And the stars do make errors, they all have bad days. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:03:23
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| If a kid makes multiple errors in 1 inning something should be done. I wouldn't want to pull any kid however for the teams sake I think at the very minimum you should move them maybe to another position until the inning is over. Just like you would remove a pitcher during the middle of a inning that has given up to many walks or runs. You o it to the rest of the team that may not of given up any errors. At this age these boys DO start to get frustrated when one of there team mates isn't pulling there weight or position. I don't think it's fair if little johnny is benched and wasn't given the opportunity to go in and play and help out his teammate who may be having a bad day. I really think it's the coachs call they know there players and the situation the best. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:20:40
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| SS, are you saying that if a pitcher gives up 5 runs in a inning you would leave them in? Even if it continues to make the player look bad. I know most of these teams have more than 9 players and sometimes these kids just need a little break to re-group. IMO, there's no difference between a fielder or a pitcher giving up runs. If they're not performing give them a break and bring in someone fresh. Not only will it help the team but it will help the player. By the next inning or game they could play better than anyone on the team. JMO. Thank goodness I'm not the coach that has to make these decisions...lol |
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Nole27
27 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 09:26:02
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Another interesting topic to be sure. I've seen a lot of comments on this board, from some not all, that we should almost treat these kids as adults. Some advocate plunking a kid from time ti time to send a message, pulling them when they make errors, basically treating them as adults. One thing that never gets mentioned on here, and is a HUGE pet peave of mine, is crying in the game. We played a game this weekend where at one point, three players on the other team were crying. If you are one to believe that these are big boys and should be treated as such, then this is totally unacceptable. And don't give me the "he cares so much". As an adult, are you going to cry when you have a tough day, when traffic stinks, when you don't get the promotion, etc? If you are truly preparing them for big boy ball and adulthood, this is the easiest and one of the first things that needs to be fixed. "I just grounded out, boo hoo sniff sniff". Just my $.02 cents.
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:12:06
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| reallycoach, there's nothing more embarrasing than a starter pitcher who gos in a big game and loads up the bases with walks, then gives up multiple runs. Only to be pulled or escorted off the mound by the coach. Its not about the player being embarrased its about making the right decision for the team as a coach. Great coaches make excellent snap decisions that help the team WIN! Its a part of baseball. Sometimes common sense helps win games. |
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sgates
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:51:11
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Originally posted by Nole27
Another interesting topic to be sure. I've seen a lot of comments on this board, from some not all, that we should almost treat these kids as adults. Some advocate plunking a kid from time ti time to send a message, pulling them when they make errors, basically treating them as adults. One thing that never gets mentioned on here, and is a HUGE pet peave of mine, is crying in the game. We played a game this weekend where at one point, three players on the other team were crying. If you are one to believe that these are big boys and should be treated as such, then this is totally unacceptable. And don't give me the "he cares so much". As an adult, are you going to cry when you have a tough day, when traffic stinks, when you don't get the promotion, etc? If you are truly preparing them for big boy ball and adulthood, this is the easiest and one of the first things that needs to be fixed. "I just grounded out, boo hoo sniff sniff". Just my $.02 cents.
Scott Powell
Gamers Red
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SSBuckeye
575 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 12:45:46
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I think the pitcher analogy is like comparing apples to automobiles. Pitchers need to come out of the game for many reasons such as reaching a pitch count, injury, not pitching well, etc. It's customary for most pitchers to be removed mid-inning dozens and dozens of times in their pitching careers. When I played HS and college ball, I never once saw a position player removed from a game for making too many errors. I'm sure Bobby Cox wanted to strangle Brooks Conrad for making 3 errors in a game in last year's playoffs, but he never removed him mid inning. He benched him the next game, which was appropriate. It's just not a customary thing to do, so when it happens, particularly at such a young age, it scars the kids. I don't know a good coach who would do this.
In youth baseball, the coach has to take ownership for placing these kids in positions where they will succeed. So, if a kid is failing at a position, then I/we need to, 1) continue to improve the deficient skills so that he can successfully play the position, or 2) find a more suitable position for him to play.
My $0.02. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 13:02:59
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Good point Nole27, my thoughts on that are as long as a kid doesn't cause a seen with boo hooing ie., gos in the dugout and turns his head down and quietly sheds a tear (and it doesn't effect his play) I could care less. Now if it is on the field causing a situation or in the dugout openly sobbing and whining then that becomes a issue that has to be handled. Thankfully by the coach.
Nole27, I wonder if we saw the same game because I did see some openly crying kids this weekend. |
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