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moccs
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 Posted - 03/15/2011 : 16:14:49
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| Its hard to say what division they would be in. My guess would be aaa. I imagine that although they have 5-6 guys on their roster (per the usssa site) that have played for major teams most of those players were not the top players on the team. Vortex haven't played much usssa and probably didnt know which division to sign up for so they chose aa. Most of the kids on the team have played dixie league rec ball for a few years. I wouldn't necessarily think that they are sandbagging. Having said that I still believe they have to be the favorites in the AA Super Nit. BTW- If I am not mistaken they beat the Elite Gamers Blue(major) last weekend in the Lagrange grand slam tournament. |
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BravesFan
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 16:17:26
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| Go out and play the games, rarely do you play in a tournament where all teams are similar in talent. Like the other poster mentioned, the big kid from Stealth can hit but he's not a dominate pitcher or lockdown defensive player. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 17:35:09
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Originally posted by mrr
Coal Mt threw a pitcher too many innings and Collins Hill called them on it. Instead of restarting the inning they forfeited. Too bad...That Collins Hill Team is a great team.
I for one would hate to win a game like that.....I wish the coaches had an option to just restart the inning or let it slide. When nothing is on the line(berth to a big tourney) I would personally want to beat the team on the field as opposed to in the rule book. I think most coaches would agree, winning that way just can't feel like a big win.
You are exactly right....without fail every coach would much rather win between the foul lines. That's easy...but, if you were the coach in a big tournament and having to win 4 or 5 games on Sunday to win it all and you have made it to the semis and the other coach makes a mistake that not only allows you to advance to the 'ship BUT ALSO allows you to save your pitching too are you saying that you would tell the TD to just go back and replay the inning and still count your pitches and give them another chance to win the game?? Even if you were winning by 10 runs would you really want a pitcher that is good enough to be pitching in the semis to waste a single out that he could save for the 'ship? It is easy to sit back after the heat of battle and think "what I would have done" but the reality is that every out is golden for pitching in a tournament with 20+ teams in it.
Of course, that is just my $.02.
--T
I was unaware this game wasn't the championship game. You are absolutely right about saving pitches. It would be hard to swallow a loss or a win in a game that ended like that. Maybe we should get a rematch!! |
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JDP12
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 20:14:37
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In the Coal Mtn. game, here is what happened: Up 5-4 one out in the Btm 6th CM put in a pitcher who had 6 innings already pitched, coach was confused and thought he was allowed 8 inning total for the tournament, not realizing it was only 6 innings max in a day. Kid gets an out, so he went over by 1/3, Umpires and tourney director did ask the other coach if he would like to replay the out/or continue with the DQ. He took the DQ. Game over. CM was the best team on Sunday, should have won that game and probabaly would have won the tourney, they had plenty of other pitching too, that's the ironic thing.
Having two outs to go against Collins Hill and only up one run doesn't mean much with that lineup. Hard to say CM was the best team on Sunday when the game was never finished and as for thinking they probably would have won the whole thing- well Collins Hill is a much better hitting team in my opinion that CM and they only scored 2 runs in the ship. They gave up 3 with their ace (who they saved for the ship) going 5 innings. CM played OP on Saturday and only scored 1 run and didn't face the type of pitching that Collins Hill faced in the ship. |
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biggin
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 20:20:55
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| Bravesfan-i guess accordin to your logic we should just play them all together. Those single a teams should just sign up for major. Hey moccs I might be wrong but I don't think its the coaches decision its up to usssa. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 21:30:30
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Originally posted by SHoward
In the Coal Mtn. game, here is what happened: Up 5-4 one out in the Btm 6th CM put in a pitcher who had 6 innings already pitched, coach was confused and thought he was allowed 8 inning total for the tournament, not realizing it was only 6 innings max in a day. Kid gets an out, so he went over by 1/3, Umpires and tourney director did ask the other coach if he would like to replay the out/or continue with the DQ. He took the DQ. Game over. CM was the best team on Sunday, should have won that game and probabaly would have won the tourney, they had plenty of other pitching too, that's the ironic thing.
Let me say that I would have to believe that the coach feels horrible about the mistake that he made and he would probably do anything to be able to go back and redo it but rules are rules and he broke one so the team has to pay the price. It is the game. It is no different than a kid not tagging up properly and scoring the game tying run on a two-out sac fly. It was just a simple mistake that he left early but he is still out. Out #3. Ball Game Over.
To his benefit, though, I already LOVE the Pitcher that we are talking about and I have never even seen him pitch. I have to believe based on your post that he is just a phenom pitcher!! He had already pitched 6 innings on Sunday (a day that I got the worst sun burn that I have had in 10 years) and when the coach needed just two more outs to make it to the 'ship instead of going to one of the "plenty of other pitchers" that were fresh and on the bench he went back to this pitcher again. I can't wait to get a chance to see this kid pitch.
--T
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coachtony
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 01:11:20
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Originally posted by coachtony
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Originally posted by SHoward
In the Coal Mtn. game, here is what happened: Up 5-4 one out in the Btm 6th CM put in a pitcher who had 6 innings already pitched, coach was confused and thought he was allowed 8 inning total for the tournament, not realizing it was only 6 innings max in a day. Kid gets an out, so he went over by 1/3, Umpires and tourney director did ask the other coach if he would like to replay the out/or continue with the DQ. He took the DQ. Game over. CM was the best team on Sunday, should have won that game and probabaly would have won the tourney, they had plenty of other pitching too, that's the ironic thing.
Let me say that I would have to believe that the coach feels horrible about the mistake that he made and he would probably do anything to be able to go back and redo it but rules are rules and he broke one so the team has to pay the price. It is the game. It is no different than a kid not tagging up properly and scoring the game tying run on a two-out sac fly. It was just a simple mistake that he left early but he is still out. Out #3. Ball Game Over.
To his benefit, though, I already LOVE the Pitcher that we are talking about and I have never even seen him pitch. I have to believe based on your post that he is just a phenom pitcher!! He had already pitched 6 innings on Sunday (a day that I got the worst sun burn that I have had in 10 years) and when the coach needed just two more outs to make it to the 'ship instead of going to one of the "plenty of other pitchers" that were fresh and on the bench he went back to this pitcher again. I can't wait to get a chance to see this kid pitch.
--T
I just re-read this post and I am an idiot with my "two out sac fly" analogy...considering there is no such thing...it sounded great when I was writing it to only go back and re-read it to see that I sound like an idiot. I hope you got the point I was trying to make anyway.
(Wonder how many people have already read this post and replied to it before this one is moderated....its OK, I am a big boy, I will take my jabs, I deserve it)
--T
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BravesFan
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 08:58:40
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Originally posted by biggin
Bravesfan-i guess accordin to your logic we should just play them all together. Those single a teams should just sign up for major. Hey moccs I might be wrong but I don't think its the coaches decision its up to usssa.
What I meant to say is your all classified in the same division, go out and play the games and don't get too concerned with who is on who's roster. Of course I'm not suggesting that AA teams go out and challenge major teams on a weekly basis but from time time they should. It's a no lose situation, they are suppose to beat you but it's not that unccomon for a AA team to upset a major team, jmho.
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bball99
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 14:59:39
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| I have looked over the roster for the Vortex. Sure only a few boys played major last year, but most all of them played 11 year old ball last season and now consider themselves a AA team. That is sandbagging. I saw them play this past weekend and if the Gamers are going to be considered major then so should they. They have slipped under the radar b/c they are a new name. If 10 out of 12 of your roster have played up and on AAA or higher, then you should not rank yourself AA. I don't care who is on your team. This is a very confident team that carries themselves that way. I feel very confident that they will soon be bumped up! Even if they were not the top players on their major team last season, they have still experienced that level of play and there is a HUGE difference in AA and top AAA and major. |
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playball13
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 15:23:35
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Originally posted by BravesFan
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Originally posted by biggin
Bravesfan-i guess accordin to your logic we should just play them all together. Those single a teams should just sign up for major. Hey moccs I might be wrong but I don't think its the coaches decision its up to usssa.
What I meant to say is your all classified in the same division, go out and play the games and don't get too concerned with who is on who's roster. Of course I'm not suggesting that AA teams go out and challenge major teams on a weekly basis but from time time they should. It's a no lose situation, they are suppose to beat you but it's not that unccomon for a AA team to upset a major team, jmho.
EXACTLY!!!! Just let the kids play ball....they are still 11 and 12 year old kids (AA, AAA or Major), they all WILL make mistakes and just may allow a lower ranked team to get a victory. |
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4 seam
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 15:33:26
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Originally posted by BravesFan
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Originally posted by biggin
Bravesfan-i guess accordin to your logic we should just play them all together. Those single a teams should just sign up for major. Hey moccs I might be wrong but I don't think its the coaches decision its up to usssa.
What I meant to say is your all classified in the same division, go out and play the games and don't get too concerned with who is on who's roster. Of course I'm not suggesting that AA teams go out and challenge major teams on a weekly basis but from time time they should. It's a no lose situation, they are suppose to beat you but it's not that unccomon for a AA team to upset a major team, jmho.
You are wrong when you say no lose situation....the tournaments cost $400-$500 dollars to play in and you want as many chances to play as possible. Also, AA teams should choose to play major teams is they want not have to because a coach is sandbagging for trophies!!!
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 17:07:58
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| Bravesfan I think we on same page now. My team plays aaa and firmly believe in playin up in class |
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4 seam
46 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 08:02:20
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Biggin,
Who is your team? |
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field6
72 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2011 : 17:13:47
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| who in this post can name top 10 teams in this tourney. I can't so help. I would like to know and then check the bracket and see if a few of the teams will be facing off. Thanks. |
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DCC
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field6
72 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2011 : 16:48:21
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| Okay seen vortex.....played vortex.....here is what I seen. Pitching above double a baseball. The rest was what I would call normal for double a. Pitching is where they excel. That was obvious. I agree with bball99. Time for them to move up. They will do great. Good team. Our team played them well but made to many mistakes. Can't do that against that team. |
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playball13
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Posted - 03/20/2011 : 21:43:03
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| I guess you ALL are eating your words now, huh?? If the Vortex was questioned, why in the world was the team that beat them not questioned??? CLEARLY a higher playing level than the Vortex hands down...AND I heard a parent on the Vortex state they had a kid that is still 10!!! And won't be 11 til next month, true or not??? I don't know!! BUT, they looked as average AA as the last 2 teams they played |
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field6
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 09:25:15
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| Congratulations to Milton. Great job coaches and players. You are the champs. The tournament was a great one. So many good teams and so many young athletes. It was a awesome weekend. Anyway, not affiliated with Milton, just a dad of kid who loves the game. We wanted to post a congratulations to the champs. Good job. |
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bball99
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 09:57:38
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| So what does everyone think about how the NIT ended up? Any surprises out there? |
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DCC
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 11:39:47
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| Congrats to Milton, they played excellent baseball all weekend and deserved the win. Great group of ballplayers, parents,and coaches. We lost to them in pool play and felt like we gave it away, were confident when we saw we would be playing them in the ship', then they really took it to us with a very strong all around game. Overall I think this was a very balanced division with numerous close games. In our bracked I was impressed with Lake Oconee, HP- Foster, and Marietta Patriots, all good teams who should continue to compete all spring/summer. Also, very well run tournament. Consistent umpires, good facilities, and everything seemed to run very smooth for such a big tournament. Most games started on time (or close to it) which is hard to do with 32 teams and 4 different parks. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 11:42:21
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Kudos Milton Nationals for a great weekend. When the Force lost our first game on Friday we decided that with 31 teams this good it was going to be extremely difficult for a team to go 7-0 but the Nats did it. Congrats. I only regret that I was not able to stay and watch them play.
Honorable mention also goes to the O.P. Arrows who eliminated us yesterday in a 90 minute, 7 inning, 3-2 game. Even though we came out on the losing end, it was a fun game to be in. Very few errors, some terrific pitching, and a few "web gems" thrown in made for a good game. Just like every team I have seen from Oregon Park the coaches, fans, and players were total class.
From my point of view, the NIT was well done from every angle. The fields (MP, GM) were way better than most fields we play on, the officiating was consistent, and Tournament Directors were there and available (even though we never needed them). I give them a solid 9 (and that comes from a 9th place team so it's not like I can be too jaded).
See you guys around the field.
--T
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 11:44:01
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Thanks, field6! It was a great experience for our boys. 7 games in 2 days is quite a tough test given all of the talent in the field.
Andy Young
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Crushed
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 13:22:39
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Andy,
Congrats to your team. Very well run team you have. We enjoyed playing against you Saturday night. You beat us 4-0. We had some chances and didnt execute when it mattered. We look forward to being able to play your team again in the future. |
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tae281
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 14:24:32
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Thanks, field6! It was a great experience for our boys. 7 games in 2 days is quite a tough test given all of the talent in the field.
Andy Young
Nats
Congrats to the Nationals and great job Andy! |
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m72
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Posted - 03/21/2011 : 14:41:11
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| Congrats to the nats but I was actually suprised to see them as I thought they were AAA. Could have sworn it was talked about earlier this year in a post that they were going AAA/major. While I don't think they are major yet they certainly could and possibly should be playing AAA. But congrats to winning the AA division. Actually, I feel both teams that ended up in the ship of AA should be playing AAA. Not taking anything anyway from anyone, just giving my 2cents from what I've seen the past few years from both teams. |
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