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coachtony
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 Posted - 03/14/2011 : 00:17:43
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What are your thoughts?
We play two pool games against teams we have never seen before. The Jack City Dodgers and the Buckhead Sand Gnats. The Buckhead team is showing 26 players on the roster which has me both curious and nervous. Looking at the Jack City Web Site it looks like the Dodgers probably get very good coaching but as best as I can tell this is a new team which always makes me nervous. Anyone got a history with either of them?
--T
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mrr
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 09:55:10
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| Dodgers played in the USSSA Battle at the branch this weekend. They are a solid AA team. Unsure how deep their pitching is. Ran into a tough chilidogs team in the qtrs. There were some solid team up there. Collins Hill Eagles Green, Oregon Park Arrows, Coal Mt Black. |
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DCC
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 11:05:27
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| I think this weekend is going to come down to depth of pitching and pitching strategy. AA teams tend to lack the overall pitching depth of AAA/Major teams. From the teams we have played, after you get past the top 3-4 pitchers there is a significant drop off. We lost to a solid Winston Legends team this weekend in the ship'. Most balanced tourney we have played in, 6 of the 7 teams could have won it all as both teams in the finals(Acwoth Orange and Winston) went 0-2 in pool play in very close games. Looking forward to a great AA tourney this weekend, good luck to everyone! |
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moccs
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 11:55:23
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Buckhead not only has a lot of players on their roster they actually bring most to the tournament and play them.
We played them in triple crown last year and they gave us a scare. Force should not have a problem with them. If I were you the two I would be most concerned with is the Sting and Vortex. IMHO they would be a top ten team in the AAA super Nit...Arrows and Bashers appear to be decent aa teams also. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 12:31:26
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Originally posted by mrr
There were some solid team up there. Collins Hill Eagles Green, Oregon Park Arrows, Coal Mt Black.
Online it shows that the Coal Mountain Black team forfeited to the Collins Hill Green team in the semis. Do you know what happened?
--T
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Crushed
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 15:06:45
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| We play the Vortex and Fayette Red Sox. Any info on those teams? |
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mrr
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 15:18:27
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| Coal Mt threw a pitcher too many innings and Collins Hill called them on it. Instead of restarting the inning they forfeited. Too bad...That Collins Hill Team is a great team. |
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 18:15:43
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Originally posted by moccs
Buckhead not only has a lot of players on their roster they actually bring most to the tournament and play them.
We played them in triple crown last year and they gave us a scare. Force should not have a problem with them. If I were you the two I would be most concerned with is the Sting and Vortex. IMHO they would be a top ten team in the AAA super Nit...Arrows and Bashers appear to be decent aa teams also.
I have not seen the Vortex but I have seen the other three and you are correct...they are all very good. We played the Sting and the Bashers this weekend in Conyers...both very tough teams. This weekend it all finally "clicked" for our kids....but whether it will stay "clicked" into the SNIT is anyone's guess ;)
--T
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mrr
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 19:09:58
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| Coach T, whats the scoop on the fayette red socks? |
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 19:52:49
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| Vortex gonna b tough. They just beat major team in lagrainge to win tournement. I talked with parent from major team said no way there aa. |
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 20:15:45
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Originally posted by mrr
Coal Mt threw a pitcher too many innings and Collins Hill called them on it. Instead of restarting the inning they forfeited. Too bad...That Collins Hill Team is a great team.
I am sure it was not intentional, but the rules are the rules. I have never heard of restarting an inning on something like that....it is a forfeit even if it was simply an oversight. I hate it for the kids and the parents and the coach, too.
Of course, this will simply make them more hungry for the next tournament and they will probably come out and kick booty.
--T
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 20:23:07
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Originally posted by Crushed
We play the Vortex and Fayette Red Sox. Any info on those teams?
I have not seen the Vortex but I hear they are VERY good.
I have not seen the Red Sox but I do know their history. Last year they were an All Star team from Tyrone that made it to the USSSA All Star World Series in Mandeville, LA where they won every pool game and every bracket game all week until the championship where they lost twice (double elimination, "if game") so they finished in second place. This year they moved to our park in Fayetteville for league play but I have not seen them yet as our league schedule does not start until this week.
The bottom line is that I suspect that the Red Sox are a very, very good All Star Team but coming from experience I know that the transition from All Star to real Travel Ball takes some teams (mine) longer than others.
--T
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field6
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 20:26:12
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| AA is a great division. Who knows where it will fall. I have seen some stud pitchers in this division. The depth is not there but make no mistake about it. There is some flame throwers in this tourney. Good luck everyone. Can't wait. |
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moccs
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 20:44:04
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| Yeah Vortex is not aa team. They have 3 guys from Stealth and 2 from Southern Sluggers on their roster which are both major teams. They have slipped under the radar not playing too much with usssa> people should see how good they are this weekend. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 23:10:07
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Originally posted by mrr
Coal Mt threw a pitcher too many innings and Collins Hill called them on it. Instead of restarting the inning they forfeited. Too bad...That Collins Hill Team is a great team.
I for one would hate to win a game like that.....I wish the coaches had an option to just restart the inning or let it slide. When nothing is on the line(berth to a big tourney) I would personally want to beat the team on the field as opposed to in the rule book. I think most coaches would agree, winning that way just can't feel like a big win. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 23:31:06
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Originally posted by Spartan4
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Originally posted by mrr
Coal Mt threw a pitcher too many innings and Collins Hill called them on it. Instead of restarting the inning they forfeited. Too bad...That Collins Hill Team is a great team.
I for one would hate to win a game like that.....I wish the coaches had an option to just restart the inning or let it slide. When nothing is on the line(berth to a big tourney) I would personally want to beat the team on the field as opposed to in the rule book. I think most coaches would agree, winning that way just can't feel like a big win.
You are exactly right....without fail every coach would much rather win between the foul lines. That's easy...but, if you were the coach in a big tournament and having to win 4 or 5 games on Sunday to win it all and you have made it to the semis and the other coach makes a mistake that not only allows you to advance to the 'ship BUT ALSO allows you to save your pitching too are you saying that you would tell the TD to just go back and replay the inning and still count your pitches and give them another chance to win the game?? Even if you were winning by 10 runs would you really want a pitcher that is good enough to be pitching in the semis to waste a single out that he could save for the 'ship? It is easy to sit back after the heat of battle and think "what I would have done" but the reality is that every out is golden for pitching in a tournament with 20+ teams in it.
Of course, that is just my $.02.
--T
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 00:20:29
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| Moccs, always some sandbagging somewhere! If it turns out to be true, that sounds a little over the top--- 5 major players on a AA team??????? Geeezzz |
Edited by - Gwinnett on 03/15/2011 08:43:44 |
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JDP12
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 07:33:16
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| My understanding from the umpires is that Coal Mtn was giving the choice of restarting the inning and they just took the forfeit instead. Does not make much sense but it was going to be a late night and they may have been out of pitching. I know we did not finish the game until after 9:30pm. |
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biggin
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 09:44:49
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| To the best of my knowledge restarting inning is not a option. Tryin to figure out why umps would do that maybe they do that in rec ball either way coach of coal mtn did right thing taking forfit. |
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biggin
174 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 10:16:00
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| I can't figure out 2 things. First why would coach and parents want to play aa. Also why usssa would put them there. Iam refering to vortex maybe trophies are that important. |
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Dspal32
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 12:24:03
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Originally posted by moccs
Yeah Vortex is not aa team. They have 3 guys from Stealth and 2 from Southern Sluggers on their roster which are both major teams. They have slipped under the radar not playing too much with usssa> people should see how good they are this weekend.
I have a couple of points of issue on this. The kid from the Southern Sluggers played in 1 or 2 tourneys with them this year but is back playing with the Sluggers full time. He won't be making the trip. Two of the kids that played with us (Stealth) were not on our roster at all last year. Good kids and good ball players but chose to go another direction last year. They played up on a AAA but really didn't play in that many tournaments. Everyone who has ever played the Stealth knows who the other kid is and he is a very good ballplayer who can't hit the starch out of the ball. What is not mentioned is that there are a couple of kids that played with a Single A team on their roster and the rest played Double A. Make no mistake, they will be at the top end of the AA and possibly will be bumped to AAA the next reclassification but they aren't sandbagging. They are playing where they were placed and have been tweeking their lineup with local kids along the way. Great bunch of kids and parents as I have been around them a bunch so don't rush to judgement that they are trying to pull something as that just isn't true. |
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field6
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 13:13:03
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| I am concerned with the talk of the vortex team having all these kids that play for major teams as well. Are we sure? I mean lets be sure we know what we are posting. If they aren't AA...what team would you classify them? Major?? |
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biggin
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 14:02:58
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| Dspal32,I can't find no single a players on there roster. Listen only the coach truly knows what's goin on here if anything maybe he just under estimated his kids. Hopefully he will do the right thing and play up if usssa doesn't move them. Iam sure they are a great group and wish them nothing but the best. |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 14:39:33
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| Dspal32, thank you for the clarification. |
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Dspal32
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 14:51:25
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Originally posted by Dspal32
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Originally posted by moccs
Yeah Vortex is not aa team. They have 3 guys from Stealth and 2 from Southern Sluggers on their roster which are both major teams. They have slipped under the radar not playing too much with usssa> people should see how good they are this weekend.
I have a couple of points of issue on this. The kid from the Southern Sluggers played in 1 or 2 tourneys with them this year but is back playing with the Sluggers full time. He won't be making the trip. Two of the kids that played with us (Stealth) were not on our roster at all last year. Good kids and good ball players but chose to go another direction last year. They played up on a AAA but really didn't play in that many tournaments. Everyone who has ever played the Stealth knows who the other kid is and he is a very good ballplayer who can't hit the starch out of the ball. What is not mentioned is that there are a couple of kids that played with a Single A team on their roster and the rest played Double A. Make no mistake, they will be at the top end of the AA and possibly will be bumped to AAA the next reclassification but they aren't sandbagging. They are playing where they were placed and have been tweeking their lineup with local kids along the way. Great bunch of kids and parents as I have been around them a bunch so don't rush to judgement that they are trying to pull something as that just isn't true.
Whoops. I said can't hit the starch out of the ball. I meant to type can. I'm guessing that is why they have the preview button. |
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SHoward
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 15:42:31
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| In the Coal Mtn. game, here is what happened: Up 5-4 one out in the Btm 6th CM put in a pitcher who had 6 innings already pitched, coach was confused and thought he was allowed 8 inning total for the tournament, not realizing it was only 6 innings max in a day. Kid gets an out, so he went over by 1/3, Umpires and tourney director did ask the other coach if he would like to replay the out/or continue with the DQ. He took the DQ. Game over. CM was the best team on Sunday, should have won that game and probabaly would have won the tourney, they had plenty of other pitching too, that's the ironic thing. |
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