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G-Man
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 Posted - 03/11/2011 : 02:03:54
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You mentioned pitcher's? Please correct me if I am wrong but wasnt it just AA who shut them down for the most part in pool and the championship?
I also mean no disrespect to TF but they did not have the road through the brackets that MBA did. I believe if the two teams would have switched brackets that TF would not have been able to save AA for MBA. No offense every team MBA faced threw their aces which were Major caliber pitchers that would be in the starting rotation for any high level Major team in the country playing in the Elite 32 including TF's.
The team TF beat 10-5 was a low level AAA team last year and this year. The other is a team put together from a rec league. My point is, TF would not have been able to save their better pitching if they were in the other bracket.
Longhornfan you are correct. When you have a pitcher at this age who can throw a nice curve ball for strikes you cant just sit fastball. However at this pitching distance its almost impossible for kids this age to really pick up that spin unless its a hanging curve ball.
Also hitters can sit certain pitches on 2-0 3-0 and 3-2 counts without being embarassed. With a 2-0 count unless that pitcher has Major League baseball control. 99% of the time its a fastball. At 3-0 count 99.99% of the time its fastball. At a 3-2 count depending on whos on base, what base is open, the score, the hitter and who is on deck and in the hole will decide what should and should not be thrown. This can also apply to the other counts above. Whether its MLB or youth baseball my hitters are sitting fastball on 2 of those counts and sitting fastball on the other and adjusting to foul off any off speed pitch unless its hung and then its time to go yard.
In the Major Leagues and college do you know what pitches are hit the hardest and become tap measure homeruns? Its curve balls. This pitch is meant to be used to keep hitters off balance and to change their visual focus level. They are very rarely used as strike out pitches or pitches to be thrown as strikes.
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Originally posted by Longhorn Fan
Are you kidding me? Team Florida can hang with any team in the country. They just proved that this weekend. Also, good solid pitching will always beat good solid hitting at this age level. Their pitchers hit their spots well and have been trained over the last few years that they have to be able to throw any pitch in any count and to trust their control. Their is nobody in the country that can hit like the MBA Pride, but yet the pitchers of the Florida team shut them down completely in not just the championship game but also in pool play. No hitter can sit back on a 2-0 count, 3-0 count, or 3-2 count and look fastball every time because if they do they might get embarassed. No disrespect to the MBA Pride, they are a very good team. They just need to learn work the counts better and play a little more small ball. Cannot pound it out every time.
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 08:12:31
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In Papa's baseball book for Dummies I read almost the exact words that Longhorn Fan just wrote. Now Papa is going to tell you to "Read my Lips" Great pitching will win over great hitting the majority of the time. But let's define great pitching. To be a great pitcher should these 12U kids be throwing in the high 70's or is it enough at this age to hit their spots and to change speeds at will and still throw strikes. There is so much that goes into being a great pitcher that is overlooked at this age. These kids are getting professional instruction earlier and earlier in their careers and it is showing up in these big games. All it takes to shut any team down is one great pitching performance and that is why due to already having been down this 12U path that I say that all of us will get beat more than we have been accustomed this year. After I am gone you guys will think that I was Nostradamus (The guy that could see the future for you North Georgia Boys).
Team Florida has combined 2 great teams in this age division into one and before they combined both of these teams not only held their own they both were at the top of the 12U division heap so I don't think it is a wise statement to state that Team Florida can't hang with anyone. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 09:18:09
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That's an easy one, 7U and 8U Coach pitch!
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I can't think of an age where I would take hitting over pitching???
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 14:31:07
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Longhorn Fan:
There is no doubt that Team Florida's pitcher(s) had the MBA batters completely fooled and out of synch. That is what it takes to be a great pitcher. In their the first matchup on Saturday from what I could see during the poor webcast, the big boy from MBA had the same recipe for Team Florida. Apparently they had no one else who could do the same on Sunday. Team Florida is going to give a lot of team fits. Since age 12u is the age of the pitcher, there should be practically no undefeated teams or teams with less than 5 losses by the time the Elite 32 comes around.
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Originally posted by Longhorn Fan
Are you kidding me? Team Florida can hang with any team in the country. They just proved that this weekend. Also, good solid pitching will always beat good solid hitting at this age level. Their pitchers hit their spots well and have been trained over the last few years that they have to be able to throw any pitch in any count and to trust their control. Their is nobody in the country that can hit like the MBA Pride, but yet the pitchers of the Florida team shut them down completely in not just the championship game but also in pool play. No hitter can sit back on a 2-0 count, 3-0 count, or 3-2 count and look fastball every time because if they do they might get embarassed. No disrespect to the MBA Pride, they are a very good team. They just need to learn work the counts better and play a little more small ball. Cannot pound it out every time.
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 14:35:35
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G-man:
In your expert opinion, which team will win the Super NIT in Miami? Are you heading that way? Does anyone know whether or not those games will be webcast? I really enjoy watching them even more than professional baseball.
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Originally posted by G-Man
I have to disagree a little. Six of those teams in the Miami **** could come up to Atlanta and win that SNIT if the brackets lined up just right.
The Atlanta SNIT will be a crap shoot. Too many factors revolve around how the brackets will line up. There will be some spoilers in pool play which will shake up bracket play for 1 or 2 of the tournament favorites. However based on the field sizes I am going to say Bandits and Sandtown will face eachother in Championship.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
bmoser:
There is no doubt that the competition in this week's super nit in Miami is not quite at the level of the one in Georgia starting next week. If MBA wins the super nit in Miami which is not a given, the runner up will get a berth to the elite 32. Unfortunately in Atlanta only one of the teams will earn this honor. Not fair is it?
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Originally posted by bmoser
mlbscout:
On Feb 7th, I posted the following on this forum...
Check out the USSSA tourney in Miami that begins tomorrow (Tuesday 2-8). MBA is traveling South to see if they can take down West Pines Cobras and the Pembroke Lakes Bulldogs. Last year, MBA went 3-4 in USSSA play vs. these two teams. I'm not sure how they did outside USSSA, does anyone else out there
MBA ran the table in this event, and seem to be trending well this year (3-0) vs. these two teams as compared to last year. Do your S FLA buds see this trend reversing? Seems like MBA is vulnerable right now. Why don't the Miami teams travel a bit more? What is their track record outside S FLA? What is their record at the Elite 32? I need to look at the past 3 years to see if they played in it.
One thing about MBA, they travel to find the best. I was shocked to read they pulled out of the ATL SNIT. Not like them at all.
I'd love to see the top 4 from FLA take on the top 4 from GA.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 01:03:03
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Originally posted by bmoser
That's an easy one, 7U and 8U Coach pitch!
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I can't think of an age where I would take hitting over pitching???
Well played sir...........well played!! |
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Tball
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 19:35:05
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| You can talk all you want.... just watched Sandtown, better hope you don't get them! |
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DBL PLAY
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 21:49:16
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| Looks as if MBA is no longer in disarray by winning the South Florida Super NIT and winning each game by at least 7 runs!!! I wonder if those same dads coached them this weekend? |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 23:01:32
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I thought that the West Pines Cobras would surprise down in Miami. It turns out that neither of the top teams form the area survived the 1st round. Pembroke Lakes Bulldogs lost to the Orlando Warriors. West Pines Cobras were also eliminated early. I was wrong with my prediction regarding MBA. Unfortunately none of the games appeared to have been webcast.
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Originally posted by DBL PLAY
Looks as if MBA is no longer in disarray by winning the South Florida Super NIT and winning each game by at least 7 runs!!! I wonder if those same dads coached them this weekend?
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 23:30:20
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| If anybody thought one bad tourney by MBA was gonna put them in "dissarray" or make them stumble they need to GET SERIOUS!!! They are the real deal, the beat teams they are supposed to and only lose to extremely good teams. Overlooking them would be flat out ignorant....They are talented enough to beat most teams with the moms coaching!! |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 08:59:03
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| Was the competition as strong in South Florida. Even a AAA team could win all of their games if they pick the right tournaments. I know absolutely nothing about the teams from South Florida and mean this only as a way to gather information. I do know MBA and know them well and find it hard to believe that given they have the same kids with the same Coaches that they have fallen apart all of a sudden. They are 12 year old kids and subject to having a bad day just like all the rest of us. I am sure that they have a plan in place to get back to their peak at the right time and I will make a prediction that we have not heard the last of the 12U MBA Pride. |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 12:08:45
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From what I have read and heard through the years, the quality of baseball in southern Florida is higher than in most parts of the state. The Tampa area has also been known for years to have quality travel teams. No one has said that MBA is falling apart or that they may break up. What has been insinuated is that other teams are catching up with them and there is less of a separation between them and several other teams. Team Florida and Bad Boys seem to be the only teams in Florida to hand them losses therefore the other teams which can compete and will compete with MBA are mostly from Georgia, California, North Carolina, and Texas.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Was the competition as strong in South Florida. Even a AAA team could win all of their games if they pick the right tournaments. I know absolutely nothing about the teams from South Florida and mean this only as a way to gather information. I do know MBA and know them well and find it hard to believe that given they have the same kids with the same Coaches that they have fallen apart all of a sudden. They are 12 year old kids and subject to having a bad day just like all the rest of us. I am sure that they have a plan in place to get back to their peak at the right time and I will make a prediction that we have not heard the last of the 12U MBA Pride.
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 12:14:13
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Sorry for just responding but just got back from a baseball tournament in South Carolina. So I have already seen the outcome of that SNIT in Miami. But I can play smart and say MBA will win it LOL 
I also have to agree with a post I saw. I dont think anyone really wants to face Sandtown right now. However I will still say its going to be Bandits and Sandtown in Championship because of both teams power, speed and the number of shutdown type pitchers those teams have. However you might even see a darkhorse get to the championship if the brackets line up just right after pool play.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
G-man:
In your expert opinion, which team will win the Super NIT in Miami? Are you heading that way? Does anyone know whether or not those games will be webcast? I really enjoy watching them even more than professional baseball.
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Originally posted by G-Man
I have to disagree a little. Six of those teams in the Miami **** could come up to Atlanta and win that SNIT if the brackets lined up just right.
The Atlanta SNIT will be a crap shoot. Too many factors revolve around how the brackets will line up. There will be some spoilers in pool play which will shake up bracket play for 1 or 2 of the tournament favorites. However based on the field sizes I am going to say Bandits and Sandtown will face eachother in Championship.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
bmoser:
There is no doubt that the competition in this week's super nit in Miami is not quite at the level of the one in Georgia starting next week. If MBA wins the super nit in Miami which is not a given, the runner up will get a berth to the elite 32. Unfortunately in Atlanta only one of the teams will earn this honor. Not fair is it?
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Originally posted by bmoser
mlbscout:
On Feb 7th, I posted the following on this forum...
Check out the USSSA tourney in Miami that begins tomorrow (Tuesday 2-8). MBA is traveling South to see if they can take down West Pines Cobras and the Pembroke Lakes Bulldogs. Last year, MBA went 3-4 in USSSA play vs. these two teams. I'm not sure how they did outside USSSA, does anyone else out there
MBA ran the table in this event, and seem to be trending well this year (3-0) vs. these two teams as compared to last year. Do your S FLA buds see this trend reversing? Seems like MBA is vulnerable right now. Why don't the Miami teams travel a bit more? What is their track record outside S FLA? What is their record at the Elite 32? I need to look at the past 3 years to see if they played in it.
One thing about MBA, they travel to find the best. I was shocked to read they pulled out of the ATL SNIT. Not like them at all.
I'd love to see the top 4 from FLA take on the top 4 from GA.
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 12:22:19
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Yes it was as strong. If 5 of those teams had been in the tournament last weekend that Team Florida played in. No one in that tourney would have been able to save pitching.
With some AAA teams in Florida they sandbag. Usssa in Florida is not like Georgia where they review teams 2 times a year. In Florida teams are from what I have seen only reviewed if someone complains or they win several tournaments in that division. So you will have teams formed from good Major caliber players and the team started in AAA and I have even seen them start as AA.
Trust me you see a team from Miami that is listed AAA. You better prepare to play a Major level team LOL. 
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Was the competition as strong in South Florida. Even a AAA team could win all of their games if they pick the right tournaments. I know absolutely nothing about the teams from South Florida and mean this only as a way to gather information. I do know MBA and know them well and find it hard to believe that given they have the same kids with the same Coaches that they have fallen apart all of a sudden. They are 12 year old kids and subject to having a bad day just like all the rest of us. I am sure that they have a plan in place to get back to their peak at the right time and I will make a prediction that we have not heard the last of the 12U MBA Pride.
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barsred98
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 13:33:12
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| Watch it Spartan! There probably wouldnt have been a stumble at all if Moms were coaching! :-) |
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mlbscout
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 16:03:25
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The NC Dirtbags have won 8 consecutive USSSA tournaments since August 2010. One of those tournaments was the super NIT in South Carolina. They have a perfect record of 16-0 and are ranked #1 in the country in power points. It would have been en even more interesting Atlanta super NIT if both the Dirtbags and MBA participated. For whatever reasons neither team is playing in Atlanta. MBA has been travelling great distances looking for the best competition. Team Florida is doing the same and recently made a long journey to play MBA in Plant City. Now they're heading north to Atlanta. They deserve a lot of credit. Looking over the Dirtbags' schedule, it looks like they prefer to stay close to home and continue winning local tournaments. I suppose they will try to make a splash at the Elite 32. It could very well be that the lack of playing stiff competition during the season hurts them at Disney. This is just my opinion.
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Originally posted by G-Man
Yes it was as strong. If 5 of those teams had been in the tournament last weekend that Team Florida played in. No one in that tourney would have been able to save pitching.
With some AAA teams in Florida they sandbag. Usssa in Florida is not like Georgia where they review teams 2 times a year. In Florida teams are from what I have seen only reviewed if someone complains or they win several tournaments in that division. So you will have teams formed from good Major caliber players and the team started in AAA and I have even seen them start as AA.
Trust me you see a team from Miami that is listed AAA. You better prepare to play a Major level team LOL.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Was the competition as strong in South Florida. Even a AAA team could win all of their games if they pick the right tournaments. I know absolutely nothing about the teams from South Florida and mean this only as a way to gather information. I do know MBA and know them well and find it hard to believe that given they have the same kids with the same Coaches that they have fallen apart all of a sudden. They are 12 year old kids and subject to having a bad day just like all the rest of us. I am sure that they have a plan in place to get back to their peak at the right time and I will make a prediction that we have not heard the last of the 12U MBA Pride.
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 16:30:44
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mlbscout and G-Man:
There's a AA team from South Florida that has a winning record against Majors down there, and its not just a few games either. They're like 11-10 or something like that. |
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biggin
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Posted - 03/14/2011 : 19:42:48
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| Gman,your exactly right I no this is 12yr board but just go look at roster for 11yr old niceville team they finished last year at 10major they have 9 returning players and are playin aaa. I don't get it. |
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G-Man
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 21:45:37
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In North Florida they dont sandbag as much as South Florida. There is a good reason in some areas to play AAA vs Major. If most of the tournaments in your area are AAA or below then it makes sense to be AAA than a Major team. Based on what I know in that Panhandle area there are not many Major registered teams.
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Originally posted by biggin
Gman,your exactly right I no this is 12yr board but just go look at roster for 11yr old niceville team they finished last year at 10major they have 9 returning players and are playin aaa. I don't get it.
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bmoser
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 08:09:43
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| G-Man: Check out the SFL Giants from South Florida. they are 9-8 vs. Majors, and 5-2 vs. AAA's. They are registered AA and have not been bumped up yet. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 11:44:59
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My picks for the #1 seed in pool play:
Pool A------Bandits
Pool B------Elite gamers black
Pool C------Team Florida
Pool D------Duluth Wildcats
Where's MBA? The weather looks perfect for the weekend! |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 11:55:41
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| Looks like a team has pulled out of the 12u Super NIT as of last night. How will USSSA handle this situation now that pools have already been set up and pool games scheduled? |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 13:31:52
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Originally posted by Bandit_Hawk
Looks like a team has pulled out of the 12u Super NIT as of last night. How will USSSA handle this situation now that pools have already been set up and pool games scheduled?
Which team is that? Or should I say which Pool? |
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Coach D
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 15:26:07
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| Nice picks Gwinnett, Better watch out for Gamers Red Pool D --They are pretty Tough!! |
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10 BB
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Posted - 03/15/2011 : 16:51:27
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| The pool games that were scheduled against the team that dropped out should be a +7 to those three teams. It is a forfeit this late in the game! Or put a new team in it's place and reshuffle the entire field based on points. |
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