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BravesFan

533 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  11:14:29  Show Profile
With all of these new teams forming, does this get too watered down next year? You could see the number of AA teams outnumber all of the major & AAA teams combined.

Is this a good thing?

bball-fan

89 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  11:57:46  Show Profile
Way too watered down.
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biggin

174 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  11:58:01  Show Profile
I truly believe there will be 4 teams that will be in major next year that belong there. Braves,bombers,yard dogs,and shiloh titans are building a great team. A lot could change before next season and I no there will be a lot of turnover with teams.
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metsFan

63 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  12:40:55  Show Profile
Maybe the AA teams get watered down due to the number of teams. I don't see AAA/Major players moving to AA teams thereby diluting AAA/Majors. With more kids playing "real" baseball it should benefit GA baseball as a whole as it creates a larger pool of kids with "better" coaching as they move up in age.

Good programs will grow and thrive. With so many teams, hopefully, the bad ones will disappear.
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MadSkills

128 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  13:35:24  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by biggin

I truly believe there will be 4 teams that will be in major next year that belong there. Braves,bombers,yard dogs,and shiloh titans are building a great team. A lot could change before next season and I no there will be a lot of turnover with teams.



I'm not sold on Shiloh just yet, let's see them come and play some of the major teams week in and week out first. Also, I think your forgetting about the Signature Park Spartans (if they stay together) & GA Grays, both of these teams can compete at a high level. I think the Stars come back strong this year as well.
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BravesFan

533 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  13:53:16  Show Profile
okay, I did a little bit of research and according to USSSA, here is the breakdown from 2010:

Majors - 9 teams
AAA - 42 teams
AA - 79 teams
A - 30 teams

I just don't see many of the AA level teams making the jump and being competitive in AAA, there might be 3-4 teams that can do that.
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SSBuckeye

575 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  16:01:17  Show Profile
The Nats are going to try!
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biggin

174 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  17:21:42  Show Profile
Hey madskills don't be surprised when shiloh a top major team next year. A little birdie tells me of some major pickups. We will see. Also you could put top aa teams in aaa and they would be fine might not win as much but would compete.
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MadSkills

128 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  17:56:36  Show Profile
Biggin, they might be but let's see them come out and play with the big boys first. Nobody is doubting that they have a very good team and if the boys who they picked up at the end of the season join them permanently then I could see why you'd be so optimistic regarding their chances.

Don't forget that the other major teams are looking at adding some talent as well, I hear the Gamers Red, EC Rays and EC Stars have upgraded talent to compete in majors next season.
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Longwoodbb

2 Posts

Posted - 07/21/2010 :  23:04:16  Show Profile
Are any of the elite teams breaking up? Rumor has it major changes are in the works for the Braves, Rays, Stars, Outlaws and Yankees. A lot of players seem to be changing teams and 643 appears to be completely revamping it's team. They had a over 50+ kids at their tryouts??
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ecbinsider

318 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  09:08:25  Show Profile
Guys, this has got to be the craziest time of the season for both coaches and parents, everyone is recruiting and jockeying for position.

The biggest break up seems to be the Kennesaw Mustangs, the head coach and a couple of his players have gone to the 643 Cougars. Signature Park would be a bigger breakup, delays in construction are one of the bigger issues there so we'll see what happens. There are some other serious rumblings regarding a couple of other teams, they've suffered some major losses of players and are kind of hanging on by a thread.

I really like what these teams have done and each should be stronger next season:

Stars - If this were a race they would win by a landslide, seem to be done early by picking up a couple of players from the Tigers while dropping a couple as soon as the season was over.

Rays - I look for them to make the biggest jump next season if they can keep their core together, sounds like they've added some very good players to go along with their 3 musketeers.

Yankees - Picked up a couple of good players from Kennesaw and one from the Braves but lost their starting catcher, they will be a handful of games better then last season only because the bottom 3-4 of their order could struggle.

Outlaws - Looks like they've gone after speed by adding one from the Stars, Tigers & Kennesaw. Should be a nice compliment to go with the big bats, still need to add a big arm imho.

643 - I'm going to take a wait and see on this one, this is the 2nd year that they've made major changes (5+) and they've lost their #1 pitcher. Carrying 12 and playing everyone makes it difficult to win on Sundays.

Braves - Still early, they usually drop 2-3 each year and pick up some very strong players. Who will they get this year?
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sgates

48 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  09:38:29  Show Profile
no revamping or major changes here, dropped 3 off my 12 player roster, adding 3 for 2011

Gates
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tae281

447 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  10:06:08  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by sgates

no revamping or major changes here, dropped 3 off my 12 player roster, adding 3 for 2011

Gates


I traded away 2 players for one first round draft choice and a player to be named later. I was trying to clear salary cap space for a stud. :-)
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  10:51:34  Show Profile
Tae there is no cap in baseball......

Haha just kidding, somethings have happened and the boys who played with Shiloh in PC will not be with that team next year. Signature Park will be putting a totally new team together. Hopefully starting off with 5 major players will make it easier to find another 5 quality ball players. As for the original poster, ALL TRAVEL BALL IS WATERED DOWN!!! No offense to the AA teams but generally they always have one major quality player or sometimes two. Those kids are at a serious disadvantage when they begin to play the major teams or face major pitching.
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bmoser

1633 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  11:24:17  Show Profile
Ahhhem... Stealth Bombers finished in the Final 4 at the Elite World Series, and is the 2nd highest ranked 10U Major team in USSSA's power rankings. How can yoiu leave them off this short list?

quote:
Originally posted by biggin

I truly believe there will be 4 teams that will be in major next year that belong there. Braves,bombers,yard dogs,and shiloh titans are building a great team. A lot could change before next season and I no there will be a lot of turnover with teams.

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biggin

174 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  11:37:18  Show Profile
Amazin how things change this time of year. Just think this will go on to next spring. We need rosters to be frozen much earlier in the season.
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  12:25:59  Show Profile
Biggin you will disagree but that's what makes message boards fun but I would prefer to have a division/sanctioning body that never freezes the roster. I think it is a pleasure to watch the ultra-competitive elite major teams. Freezing of rosters has killed several teams in the past, Team Phenom had some issues with players leaving for other teams and they were unable to participate in the elite 32 after qualifying for it. I think team jumping will always be an issue, but coaches do not own their players and as a parent or guardian you should be able to take your player to the best team with an available spot.
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MadSkills

128 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  14:13:37  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Longwoodbb

Are any of the elite teams breaking up? Rumor has it major changes are in the works for the Braves, Rays, Stars, Outlaws and Yankees. A lot of players seem to be changing teams and 643 appears to be completely revamping it's team. They had a over 50+ kids at their tryouts??



This happens every year, each team always seems to have 3-5 kids leave or get let go. To me, a major shake up involves 6 or more players so basically most of a team is turned over.

People always think it's going to be better with another team but then they're looking for a new one the following year.
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mwk2814

19 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  14:24:49  Show Profile
I completely disagree. Rosters should be frozen at some point during the season. There could be provisions to add a limited number of players, but there should also be geographic restrictions for adding players, such as they must be from your home state.

Flying 10 year olds in from California to play a single tournament for your team is not what baseball is supposed to be about.
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gatraveler

58 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  14:36:02  Show Profile
I don't think championships mean anything when you simply collect all the good players on one team. Every major sport has a trading deadline. Heard Michael Jordan say that he would have never done what Lebron, Bosh, and Wade are doing. Competitor in him wanted to BEAT the best, not join them.
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BravesFan

533 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  15:04:06  Show Profile
One thing you guys haven't taken into consideration is the effect of what happens at East Cobb. Last year they doubled the number of teams from 4 to 8. What if they added another 2-4 teams this upcoming season?

At least last year you had a couple of teams come over from other parks and they only needed a few players. One team folded last year before it ever got started because there weren't enough players available.
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DecaturDad

619 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  15:26:00  Show Profile
I am so glad we have found a team that we plan to stay with for a while. I don't think the perfect team situation exists. But for us, having a team where our son gets to play with some fun and talented kids means a lot more then anything we could get by moving to another team. (Someone mentioned needing a starting catcher?? :-)
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biggin

174 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  19:03:02  Show Profile
Spartan,you cannot be serious about not freezin roster. It would be the biggest mess if they did that.
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Spartan4

913 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2010 :  19:55:10  Show Profile
Flying players in is an extreme to what I was referring too...But that being said we have played with one out of state team and we loved it. I still talk to that coach and two of the dads twice a week. I agree that the perfect situation doesn't exist but I think you can always improve what you already have.
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titans

94 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2010 :  10:10:57  Show Profile
Or it could be that some families/players are never completely happy and are always looking for something better, which they never find.

What I have observed is the families that want to be on a competitive team where the boys are improving, but also has a real "family" culture, want to stay on that team long-term. Families that only care about winning and not developing fairly all the kids on the team, will look for another team that will give their boy more attention. We want all 11 boys to enjoy our team and get enough playing time to move up to the next level, which does come at the expense of winning games at times. Some families with boys further along talent wise just want to win, and will find another team with the same goal.

Edited by - titans on 07/23/2010 10:18:12
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SSBuckeye

575 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2010 :  11:29:15  Show Profile
Here, here, titans!
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