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00mom
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 Posted - 04/30/2010 : 20:33:16
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| Do coaches at East Cobb get paid to coach? |
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patent pending
66 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2010 : 22:16:39
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| Yes, some are paid.But not all. |
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gasbag
281 Posts |
Posted - 04/30/2010 : 23:33:10
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| Very few of them get paid and only at the older ages. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 07:39:34
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Some yes, most (at least at the younger ages) no.
From 15U and up there are a lot more that do, but for 14U and under, only a handful do, and they are non-dad coaches.
I have seen this trend outside of EC as much as inside, in the recent year or two.
All of that is discussed up front. Some coaches have built into the budget, an amount that goes to the coach to offset his expenses and pay a little. Others use tournament revenue as a way to pay for the coaches. |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 07:47:41
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| It depends, some team do bring on professional hitting/pitching coaches and they are paid. In the older age groups, it is more common to have paid coaches. |
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Goin Deep
140 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 09:08:27
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Depends...In general, no....There are a few teams who have paid coaches, but in general, they are volunteers...Also, as they get older, there are more paid coaches on staff.
$$ is paid by the family's, not by ECB |
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theTRUTH
7 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 23:43:06
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Most teams at East Cobb are coached by ex-Pro & Collegiate players as either head coaches or assistants. Even some of the younger age teams have a coach who is an "ex" and knows the game from years and years of training. That is why they produce so many good teams. But there are a few coaches that have no more experience than coaching their own Kids All-Star rec team and thats it. It is easy to to tell the difference just by watching. Getting paid is a matter of each team and their budget for specialized training. and that is "theTRUTH". |
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bturner
231 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2010 : 09:00:45
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| The practice of paying coaches has caught on down south. Home Plate now has at least 2 paid coaches. One in a younger age and another in the 13's. I think it is 500.00 per kid on the team. |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2010 : 10:36:24
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| I have no problem with a "paid" coach if this is in lieu of taking private lessons. |
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loveforthegame25
448 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2010 : 15:17:58
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sounds like some yes and some no  |
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gasbag
281 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 07:50:18
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| Maybe a better question would be, "should travel ball coaches get paid" or "under what circumstances should travel ball coaches be paid" ? |
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bballman
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 08:50:17
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I'll throw in my 2 cents. If a coach does not have a kid on the team, I do not have a problem with them getting paid something. These guys put in a tremendous amount of time and work with the kids. My son plays on a 16u team (not ECB). We have 4 coaches, none of whom have a kid on the team. They have coached for many years without getting paid anything. Last year, as a team, we decided to build it into our fees to pay them something for the year. Head coach did not want to get anything other than expenses, but agreed with paying the assistants. I don't have a problem. Like I said, they put in a ton of time. Between practices, games, tournaments, out of town tournaments it really adds up.
I also don't have a problem with also paying extra for individual lessons from a private instructor. The money they get pays for the time they spend with the team. If I want individual time apart from the team, I should have to pay. They don't offer individual lessons, I am talking from an independent instructor.
That's my take on it. Why should a guy who doesn't have a kid on the team put in 24 hours per week or more coaching a team for nothing? Like I said, I don't have a problem with it. |
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Alter-Ego
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 10:50:16
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ecbinsider,
You pay a coach to run the team and develop the players, but there are always circumstances where additional work, by a player, is needed. Especially in the areas of hitting and pitching. Players sometimes need specialty work that the paid coaches don't have the availability to provide. Mainly because they have 12-15 other players to attend to.
I have always looked at it this way, the work from the coaches is to get the players to execute as a team. The paid work outside practice is to help increase your son's chances of being on the field because the key is to be productive when you are out there. The coach is looking for the players that give the team a chance to be successful. Not to make sure every player is developing at the same level.
I just see too many people that give up on the individual instruction, that caters to their specific child, and expects a paid coach to work all of that out. |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 12:29:55
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
ecbinsider,
You pay a coach to run the team and develop the players, but there are always circumstances where additional work, by a player, is needed. Especially in the areas of hitting and pitching. Players sometimes need specialty work that the paid coaches don't have the availability to provide. Mainly because they have 12-15 other players to attend to.
I have always looked at it this way, the work from the coaches is to get the players to execute as a team. The paid work outside practice is to help increase your son's chances of being on the field because the key is to be productive when you are out there. The coach is looking for the players that give the team a chance to be successful. Not to make sure every player is developing at the same level.
I just see too many people that give up on the individual instruction, that caters to their specific child, and expects a paid coach to work all of that out.
My point is in reference to a specialty coach like a hitting or pitching coach. A head coach to run the team is a different scenario and I agree with your points.
Also, if some parents want extra work, I have no issues with them paying for the coaches time. Where I have an issue with is those times where every player on the team is "strongly encouraged" to take private lessons. I hear of one program that does this, don't agree with it. |
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patent pending
66 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 13:07:23
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| ebcinsider , Without naming the team that encourages private lessons. Could you say where their out of ? I think I feel the same as you do. If your already paying for coaching the same coaches should not try to sell you private lessons. Sometimes this brings daddy ball back into the equation.Now the coaches cater to the families who spend more money with them. Thus not always playing the best nine. |
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jje1
14 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 15:29:02
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| Does anyone know how much these coaches earn to coach a summer high school baseball program? |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2010 : 22:15:40
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Patent Pending. This is a subject I know a lot about. My son played on a team in Ca. and is a catcher among other positions. The parents of the other catcher on the team was paying our Paid Prof. Coach extra money to give private lessons to the other catcher.2-3 times a week at $60hr. do the math. They were paying him over 600 a month to teach their kid how to be a catcher(coach was a Minor League Catcher), Trust me when I say this kid would be a bad Rec ball player..LOL. Well after the 12th game of the season and a couple of tournaments and my son had caught only 5 innings out of 72+.Did I say This kid was horrible too. He accounted for at least 3-5 runs a game on passballs. If anybody got on they would steal 2nd then 3rd and wait for a pass ball. Finally the other parents got feed up and called for a team meeting. Did I mention this coach had a HUGE EGO. Well it didn't take long after that for the coach to start to nick pick my kid. He couldn't do anything right. I had a talk with him and got nowhere. I saw the writing on the wall and left the team.
We did get our revenge. You see once we left the word go out that we were looking for another team. We had 2 choice between #1 team in the nation or the #2 team in the nation at 9U. (Oakley Stingrays or Nomad Elite) Now my boy is playing for a coach who appreciates his talent and not my wallet. FYI we joined Nomads Elite
There is a conflict of intrest when a paid coach get paid extra for private lessons. They will always play the kid that is getting privates from him. Don't want to make Jonny's Mommy and Daddy mad. |
Edited by - Calif_Baseball on 05/10/2010 23:11:30 |
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patent pending
66 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2010 : 14:52:02
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| Calif Baseball sounds like you know what Im talking about. I really like the sweet revenge part. It should always be about talent and desire. My son plays on a team with paid coaches but we get private pitching and hitting from someone else. Just because thats who weve always went to.But I see the kids who take privates from our coaches seem to get more playing time. Definately not because there better. But like you said I can do the math. I work too. And yes I take care of the people who feed me the most. I just don't agree with this in major travel ball if your honestly wanting to compete. |
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Calif_Baseball
292 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2010 : 11:07:53
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It sounds like we are in the same boat. Just couldn't take the coach nick picking my kid. He is only 9. He has been taking private lessons for years from some Ex Pro ball players. Brett Mayne is his Catcher coach 18 year in the Majors. Pitching Coach has written a couple of best sellers on the subject of youth pitching...etc.. My boy is in good hands as far as his private lesson coaches are concerned. Our new coach who is paid, Does not give private lessons. He is a coach that has a track record of developing some of the best talent in Calif. He has also Won a few National Championships. All his older boys are going to high school and Graduating. He will have at least 4 players drafted in the first 3-4 rounds of this coming years MLB Draft. So when he decided to take over this team of talented 9 year olds. I was excited for the boy's to have such a great coach. He is bouncing back and forth from his 14U team to ours until next year, Then it will be with our team only.
I will never put my son into that situation again. Infact the team in question is barely holding on. They are down to 6 players. Poetic Justice.
Good Luck
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bambino_dad
119 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2010 : 19:36:50
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Where I have an issue with is those times where every player on the team is "strongly encouraged" to take private lessons. I hear of one program that does this, don't agree with it.
I don't really have a problem with a team that has a "private lessons are strongly encouraged policy" - as long as it's not from the coach.
But about that: tt was the biggest eye-opener we got when we came to East Cobb. Call it selfish or whatever, we saw our kid getting outperformed by kids we thought were lesser athletes and couldn't figure out why. Our son practiced well. Skill-wise he was better than most.
But it wasn't until we tallied up the numbers of parents we knew who were paying for private hitting lessons - up to 2x a week - that the collective light bulbs went off. And that was the competitive edge as we saw it. So, yeah, call it full disclosure or nice-to-know-info - either way, saying to parents at the 1st team meeting "private lessons are strongly encouraged" is a heads-up as to what expectations are. I don't have a problem with it.
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