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Powerlounger
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 Posted - 05/24/2017 : 19:39:08
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Do any Atlanta teams / organizations utilize paid non dad coaches routinely?
Looking for 12U teams for 2017-2018 season.
Do you start seeing paid coaches at 12U and if not when?
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brball
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Posted - 05/25/2017 : 00:11:51
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| Welcome and good luck! Most teams, even academy are still dad coached at that age. Just find the team that fits you and your sons expectations and go from there! I would say 14-15 is when dad coaches tend to go away typically. |
Edited by - brball on 05/25/2017 08:44:39 |
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RoamingCF
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Posted - 05/25/2017 : 05:30:16
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Several (not most) of the top teams have paid coaches at 11 or 12. Say 5-10 teams.
Don't be fooled in believing that it somehow eliminates daddy ball. A paid coach at that age is a young man (20-25 years old), and most are ill-equipped to deal with the more aggressive parents. Every paid coach team I've seen at those ages are strongly influenced by parents - it's still daddy ball (via daily phone calls or pressure from outside the fence).
Also, many coaches at this age have limited coaching experience (it's their first gig). My advice - strongly lean toward teams with experienced coaches (3+ years of coaching kids) - they're likely to better understand how to navigate parents, and by that time, they do start to understand what makes it a positive result (beyond only winning). |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 05/25/2017 : 08:01:18
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Complicated question because it depends on the team, but here is what I think:
East Cobb: I have seen dad coaches at east cobb even at 15u, but the Astros pretty much have a paid coach from 9u and up. It is going to depend on the team at east cobb.
643: By 12u all head coaches will be paid.
Giants: By 12u all head coaches will be paid.
Team Elite: Mixed bag, similar to East Cobb, by the way these teams practice ALL over the place so don't discount them if you don't live near winder.
GA Bombers = Typically dads, but very knowledgeable dads.
Ninth inning royals = I'm pretty sure are all paid coaches, haven't seen any same last names with a player.
Home Plate Chili Dogs = Paid coaches
I'd like to add that not ALL Dad coaches are bad or favor their kid. I've seen the extreme version of daddy ball and I've seen a coach sit his kid more than any other. If you like the location of the team but they have a dad coach ask point blank "What position does the coaches kid play, how good is he, how often does he play?", that should tell you a lot and it isn't rude to ask.
However, also understand that some of these guys got into coaching because their kid was a super stud, so if the coaches kid plays every inning he may deserve to play every inning. There is a top 10 nationally ranked 9th grader right now who was coached by his dad for a long time, the kid deserved his playing time and there are others out there that do too. |
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SouthForsythGiants9u
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Posted - 05/25/2017 : 09:05:26
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There have been some good things pointed out on this thread. I agree with the 20 yr old's sometimes being intimidated or some places have coaches or instructors who train all teams for them.
The toughest job of a non dad coach is often teaching parents to let the kids talk to coaches and learn from the coach and try to enjoy games. Parents must learn to NOT coach from the backstop or stands. This is really hard when your 8u future major league kid is on the field.
I have coached ages 8-18 but did not coach my own after age 12 and that may have been 2 years too long. He had a great DAD coach who was the head coach of evocanes baseball. As well as non dad coach while he was at ECB
I was retired for 6 years and came back into the arena when my son got out of HS and i saw either 5 dads on the side line on buckets or big academy teams charging too much and not know kids names.
I have never had more than 1 team per year myself as its just too hard work unless you have a HS age team and a young team with very little overlap. Some do it for enjoyment and some are trying to make a living and that is a tough way to go. |
Edited by - SouthForsythGiants9u on 05/25/2017 10:25:54 |
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bfriendly
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Posted - 05/25/2017 : 09:18:51
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Originally posted by Powerlounger
Do any Atlanta teams / organizations utilize paid non dad coaches routinely?
Looking for 12U teams for 2017-2018 season.
Do you start seeing paid coaches at 12U and if not when?
At this age, you can surely find some Paid non dad coaches all over the place..........If its really important to you, just make it your first question. If that one passes muster, then ask more questions.
This is certainly a double edge sword as you can have Great coaches that are Dads, or who are paid. On the flip side(as already stated) you can have terrible coaching whether or not they are "Paid".......ask about what kind of instructions will be included. I have seen high dollar academies that expect you to still get private lessons for pitching, batting etc....
Yet we have been on a lower budget academy that gave us weekly batting and pitching instruction from pros that were not coaches of the team.
Just ask lots of questions and I wish you the best of luck! |
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Punishers
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Posted - 05/28/2017 : 22:44:31
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Speaking from experience. I was a paid coach even before I thought about having kids. Coaching ages from 8 to 17 you see some of everything a young coach would not be prepared for.
11u is my preference for having a paid coach since the kids have been playing for a while and their maturity has increased . Most of the top teams have them. I know 9th Inning Dodgers 11u major team has a paid coach. I've never played on a dad coached team as kid to an adult. So that world was new to me when I moved here. I have heard horror stories from both sides though.
Try to stay away from the young coaches with limited experience dealing with kids.
Look for those that can teach the game very well and execute just as well in the game.
Having a personal approach with the kids is a big plus to establish that trust factor of the players. (You would be surprised what a team trip to Bruster's could get you)
I have a friend of mines that is high school coach and coaching an 11u team. The boys work right beside the varsity players and each are attached to a player as a mentor since they are so close in age and not seen as a authoritarian figure like us old farts. This is a very rare case as 99% of high school coaches would not dare coach a youth team. Look at all variables when looking at paid coach team (cost, kids abilities, distance, # of games, training, etc....).
It's a lot to take in so I wish you nothing but luck in your search.
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Edited by - Punishers on 05/29/2017 08:50:18 |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2017 : 14:28:49
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There are plenty of 11U teams currently (rising 12U) that are 'non-dad' coached. Maybe one coach who doesn't have a kid on the team... And is the coach really an 'instructor' or just an 'game day organizer' and someone to put together a line that appears unbiased???
Because no truer words have been spoken than these:
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Originally posted by RoamingCF
Don't be fooled in believing that it somehow eliminates daddy ball. A paid coach at that age is a young man (20-25 years old), and most are ill-equipped to deal with the more aggressive parents. Every paid coach team I've seen at those ages are strongly influenced by parents - it's still daddy ball (via daily phone calls or pressure from outside the fence).
As mentioned, 9th Inning has Coach Mac... He's a great teacher/instructor and makes ALL the decisions w/o outside influence.
Other teams have 'dad assistants' or dads who are 'GM's' of the team, and you see PLENTY of influence/daddy-ball.
Here's some teams at 11U with at least one 'non-dad' coach (but your mileage may vary on terms of dad influences.
South Forsyth
Team Elite
Smartense
9th Inning
Dunn Right (both teams)
EC Astros
EC Colts (Navy)
EC Colts (Orange)
EC Longhorns
643 (both teams)
Canton Jackets
Now, who didn't I mention? Some of the top teams in the state: Tribe Gold, Kennesaw, Gamers, OTC, Cellblock, Titans Blue... So, do you need 'non-dad' coaches to be successful? Nope.
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2017 : 19:41:46
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Intresting this came up. I saw a team this past weekend that had 7 dads coaching (in the dugout). Appeared as though they were what I call "Zombies". Clueless about the game, limited knowledge and experience. Only there to be place holders for their kid.
I've had a dad who was a GM (administrative functions only), but he understood before hand that he had no influence on my coaching decisions. Even had one dad who played in college help in training only, never in the dugout during game time.
Just like there are different levels of teams, there are different levels of coaches. |
Edited by - Punishers on 05/29/2017 21:27:28 |
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Crazyforbball
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Posted - 05/29/2017 : 20:29:44
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| Roaming CF hit the nail on the head. Sage advice. |
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Renegade44
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Posted - 05/30/2017 : 12:29:44
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7 in dugout? Two questions?
1.)Did they all have matching coach jerseys, shorts, and turfs?
2.)You sure it wasn't a girl's softball game and you just miscounted, missing the other 3 of the 10?
There is about zero reason for 7 in dugout, and there is about zero reason for a paid coach until you, at a minimum, reach age 13U.
Which sorta brings up my next business idea..... academy/corporate/money ball apparently has no limits. Nor does the amounts paid to directors and tourneys and DataMineKast and parking. Many of these players and families will be needing a place to play and pay after age 18.
No organization or academy is now targeting the uncommitted or no chance committed age group of 18-28 for profits. Its a whole new market segment for travel tournament ball to enter! I'm firmly convinced the parents will still pay if the tournaments and future academy is set up and marketed correctly. It probably needs to be done with some expanded data mining and measureables collection, with an eye toward the 1 in 1Million chance of a junior college jv spot at age 25. Take the rec league out of beer league softball, and improve it into travelball for young adults, complete with paid coaches to help improve your tee exit velo!
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Punishers
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Posted - 05/30/2017 : 18:06:29
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Originally posted by Renegade44
7 in dugout? Two questions?
1.)Did they all have matching coach jerseys, shorts, and turfs?
2.)You sure it wasn't a girl's softball game and you just miscounted, missing the other 3 of the 10?
There is about zero reason for 7 in dugout, and there is about zero reason for a paid coach until you, at a minimum, reach age 13U.
Which sorta brings up my next business idea..... academy/corporate/money ball apparently has no limits. Nor does the amounts paid to directors and tourneys and DataMineKast and parking. Many of these players and families will be needing a place to play and pay after age 18.
No organization or academy is now targeting the uncommitted or no chance committed age group of 18-28 for profits. Its a whole new market segment for travel tournament ball to enter! I'm firmly convinced the parents will still pay if the tournaments and future academy is set up and marketed correctly. It probably needs to be done with some expanded data mining and measureables collection, with an eye toward the 1 in 1Million chance of a junior college jv spot at age 25. Take the rec league out of beer league softball, and improve it into travelball for young adults, complete with paid coaches to help improve your tee exit velo!
1. YES
2. It was definitely baseball. Guess the other 4 were missing. |
Edited by - Punishers on 05/30/2017 18:22:23 |
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teddy41
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Posted - 06/03/2017 : 12:14:15
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| the best reason for a paid coach at any age is just to put a buffer between parents and kids and let them make the decisions. If you can afford one by all means do it. A paid coach cost no more and probably less than the instructor you see each week for a year |
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Paid non dad coaches...when and where?
