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Gapper
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 Posted - 06/20/2016 : 15:57:36
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| That annoying time of year when every coach thinks their tryout listing must stay on top of the pile so they think of every reason to follow up their post with a makeup date, location reminder, etc. Good luck for everyone trying to weed through the postings and finding the right fit for the 2016/2017 season. |
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SuperStar
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Posted - 06/20/2016 : 20:19:14
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| Yeah, I call it "silly season". In the next couple of weeks, business is going to pick up. Most of the time, there are two categories that players are inn. You are either hoping that you have one other option plus the team you are on now, or you are one of those players that have multiple options. Both have their pros and cons. And both can be nerve racking as well. In the end, you have to really do your homework on what you are actually looking for. Coaches will be giving their "sale's pitch" to you and the rat race begins. Players will come and go and the rumors and gossip will be on an all time high. Everyone remain calm at all times, and trust me, this too will pass. Good luck to every player and may the force be with you!!! |
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Punishers
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OPHornets
135 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 07:36:34
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
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http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
Unless you try out for a team with 4 - 5 Dad coaches who don't fit Punishers' mold!  4 Dad coaches and they usually start at CF, 2b, C, and P/3b.
I know its fun to bash Dads but painting with a broad brush isn't always applicable.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 07:37:17
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
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http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
That is not necessarily true. My son has played for several dad coached teams and didn't have this problem. First dad had his kid in deep left or on the bench and batted him last. Second dad had the kid alternating between 2cnd, bench and catcher batting late in the order. Third dad had his kid rotating between 2cnd, bench and outfield batting late in the order.
If you like the sound of the team but are worried about the coaches kids playing all the infield positions ASK THEM! Don't just assume that dad coached teams are going to have their infield set. |
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ballsandbats
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Posted - 06/22/2016 : 09:39:33
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
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http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
Can we please stop making blanket statements about dad coaches? While dad coaches need to be fair and need to be conscious about being fair, they also deserve a lot of credit. Youth sports, especially at the pre-teen ages, would not exist without dad coaches and the time and money they give freely in what could be called community service. Do we need to look out for "Daddy ball" and steer our kids away from it? Absolutely. But it's plain ignorant to suggest that just because a dad is a coach means your kid won't get a fair shake. I'd suggest that a better test is not the simple "is there a dad coach." I'd bet half the time those laying into dad coaches have kids who aren't as good as the coaches' kids or are "paid" coaches with an interest in the elimination of "free" dad coaches. If this hurts your feelings, I label you "guilty". Let's just keep a proper perspective and say watch out for daddy ball but also realize there are a lot of dads who do a great job. And this is coming from a dad whose son plays for a paid coach. I'm just a proponent of fairness and, probably more importantly, reality. Dad coaches are a necessity, just like taxes. lol. Punisher, sorry for replying with this rant off your post. I'm sure you didn't intend to impugn the character of the dad coaches who are doing it right. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 12:19:35
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and the Guilty speaks! If the dad coaches are doing it right, no issues. It's those that those 4 or 5 are the core and can't see past that. Not to say all dads are doing it, just that those who are doing it are dads.
1 maybe 2 dads max. 5 is just blantant. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 12:42:47
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
Link:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
That is not necessarily true. My son has played for several dad coached teams and didn't have this problem. First dad had his kid in deep left or on the bench and batted him last. Second dad had the kid alternating between 2cnd, bench and catcher batting late in the order. Third dad had his kid rotating between 2cnd, bench and outfield batting late in the order.
If you like the sound of the team but are worried about the coaches kids playing all the infield positions ASK THEM! Don't just assume that dad coached teams are going to have their infield set.
2nd base is the common denominator. If 2 dads are rotating their kids at 2nd base, where is the best 2nd base player playing? |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 12:52:08
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Originally posted by OPHornets
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
Link:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
Unless you try out for a team with 4 - 5 Dad coaches who don't fit Punishers' mold! 4 Dad coaches and they usually start at CF, 2b, C, and P/3b.
I know its fun to bash Dads but painting with a broad brush isn't always applicable.
Look at the positions you listed. No need to go any further. I consider CF a prime position along with all infield positions.
It's always the coach kid playing 2B. When in reality they do not have the speed or agility to be there to begin with.
Here is my 2B/SS test:
Let the player get in position and hit an air ball to the grassline. If they can not back up and catch the ball and just watch is sail over their head or can't cover a lot of distance. They simply can not play that position and will be weeded out when they have to play on a team with a real coach anyway
Again, 2B/SS are middle infield positions and have to play the base, infield and part of the outfield.
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ballsandbats
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Posted - 06/22/2016 : 16:28:26
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by OPHornets
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
Link:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
Unless you try out for a team with 4 - 5 Dad coaches who don't fit Punishers' mold! 4 Dad coaches and they usually start at CF, 2b, C, and P/3b.
I know its fun to bash Dads but painting with a broad brush isn't always applicable.
Look at the positions you listed. No need to go any further. I consider CF a prime position along with all infield positions.
It's always the coach kid playing 2B. When in reality they do not have the speed or agility to be there to begin with.
Here is my 2B/SS test:
Let the player get in position and hit an air ball to the grassline. If they can not back up and catch the ball and just watch is sail over their head or can't cover a lot of distance. They simply can not play that position and will be weeded out when they have to play on a team with a real coach anyway
Again, 2B/SS are middle infield positions and have to play the base, infield and part of the outfield.
Coaches' kids can play only left and right, otherwise there's a problem? Can they pitch? Again, it's the broad brush strokes. If parents go in looking for a problem, they will find a problem. Go in with a reasonably open mind...perhaps you find a terrific situation. A lot of coaches' kids are actually really talented, probably in part related to the fact that they've received training since they emerged from the womb. And in my world, the guilty would be wise to remain silent. LOL Well, nice debate. I'm turning my attention back work. Hope everyone finds a great situation for your sons and daughters, whether it's dad coach, paid coach or otherwise!
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 17:27:02
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Only those who have issues with it are guilty.
The coaches kid should be the best if not one of the best players on the team. If he is in the bottom 3 of all stats, why even coach when your kid is the weak link. The ball will always find the weak link. This isn't football where you can hide a player. The weak player in baseball will always be exposed.
A lot and I mean a lot of these dad coached teams are all daddy ball. Not saying all are, but over 90% are. Just notice the best teams are not dad coached.
So if those dads and others feel they are being bashed, play up and play better. |
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bballman
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Posted - 06/22/2016 : 17:47:28
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I agree with ballsandbats. From 12 - 14 my son played on a team with 4 dad coaches. Head coach was probably tougher on his son than anyone else on the team. He would bench him in a heartbeat for a slight infraction. I was the pitching coach. My son played short, but I don't think anyone on the team would argue with him being there. He is still one of the best SS I have ever seen. He didn't play position in college because he struggled with consistency in hitting. He often batted low in the order on those travel teams. One of the other coach's son played right field and didn't even get much time there because he just wasn't that good. They wound up leaving the team for the 14u season. The 4th coach's kid played catcher. He was decent catcher, but at 14u we got a better one. His play time went way down. Dad was pissed and it probably ruined his relationship with the head coach, but we wanted the best to play. The catcher that came in for the 14u season wound up playing a year or two at Presbyterian College. I don't think the other one played anywhere for 2 years after HS, but wound up on the Georgia State roster for one year and I believe was done after that.
Point is, the coaches we had were good (I would hope myself included) and I feel decisions we made were for the best of the team and not the coaches kids. It can happen. And without dads as coaches, there would be a lot of kids not playing at all. I will say that two of the pitchers on that team have been drafted and are currently playing in the minor leagues.  Every one of the kids wound up playing at least some in HS. Most played through their senior year.
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YazSportsBurn
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Posted - 06/22/2016 : 20:04:04
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| It's about reps. I'm willing to bet you all have a million plaques on your wall. My number one question is "HOW MUCH TIME IS SPENT ON A FIELD EACH WEEK, excluding games?" And how much of this time is spent waiting around? Are the practices set up to engage all players. I have seen some expensive programs offer 1 field practice a week. Or they claim to offer 3 practices and 2 of these are short batting cage practices with 13 kids and one coach in a cage (10 minutes of a workout per kid). To get to the next level, you need reps. I am asking seasoned parents, how much time do you all expect to be on a field each week excluding games? |
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hshuler
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Posted - 06/22/2016 : 21:02:38
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2016 : 21:09:46
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Originally posted by YazSportsBurn
It's about reps. I'm willing to bet you all have a million plaques on your wall. My number one question is "HOW MUCH TIME IS SPENT ON A FIELD EACH WEEK, excluding games?" And how much of this time is spent waiting around? Are the practices set up to engage all players. I have seen some expensive programs offer 1 field practice a week. Or they claim to offer 3 practices and 2 of these are short batting cage practices with 13 kids and one coach in a cage (10 minutes of a workout per kid). To get to the next level, you need reps. I am asking seasoned parents, how much time do you all expect to be on a field each week excluding games?
That would depend on what level you are looking to play. You can expect a lot of reps with A, AA teams. AAA and Major teams focus more on situations. Those players know they have to do more work outside of practice. It like school. Not too many can just get by with what the teacher teaches in class. Homework and extra work has to be done. Can't just rely upon team practices.
Reps are useless if the player can't perform. You can hit your kid reps all night long, but if he doesn't translate it to performing in the game it doesn't matter. |
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2016 : 07:57:20
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Interesting debate here, and several threads of thought unfolding.
1. The dad-coach does not have to have the most talented player on the team, and usually this dad has a "real job" and usually this time on the ball field with his son is because he has 3+ kids and this is THEIR time to bond. They aren't major level teams because sometimes it's just about fun, not getting to the next level. Bottom line though if you feel your kid is being shafted in favor of the coaches kid then find another team.
2. Two practices on the field per week for 2 hours and one hour in the batting cage Thursday or Friday before the tourney using the bat that will be used on that tourney.
3. Having a AAA kid play on a AA team is a personal choice. Yes, the kid might be better than everyone on his team but spending some time on a lower skilled team CAN result in way higher game reps for the kid as well as the ability to see how things are mostly likely to unfold in a bad way on the field. I had my kid play on lower level teams, mostly by accident, and he NOW has the uncanny ability to come up with the overthrown ball about 90% of the time because he KNEW it would be thrown there because he has seen it happen 100 times. While I wouldn't have a Majors kid play on a AA team there is something to be said IN THE YOUNGER AGES of playing on a lower level team.
4. Until 15u and up MANY kids can just get by with what is being done in practice. I do hope parents remember it is a GAME! If your kid asks you to soft toss, or asks you to take him to the cages that is one thing but no parent should be standing over a sub 15u kid saying "You haven't gotten your cage work in this week let's go"....kids still need time to be kids, and THEY have to be the driving force behind extra baseball work, not the parents. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2016 : 12:30:13
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Interesting debate here, and several threads of thought unfolding.
1. The dad-coach does not have to have the most talented player on the team, and usually this dad has a "real job" and usually this time on the ball field with his son is because he has 3+ kids and this is THEIR time to bond. They aren't major level teams because sometimes it's just about fun, not getting to the next level. Bottom line though if you feel your kid is being shafted in favor of the coaches kid then find another team.
2. Two practices on the field per week for 2 hours and one hour in the batting cage Thursday or Friday before the tourney using the bat that will be used on that tourney.
3. Having a AAA kid play on a AA team is a personal choice. Yes, the kid might be better than everyone on his team but spending some time on a lower skilled team CAN result in way higher game reps for the kid as well as the ability to see how things are mostly likely to unfold in a bad way on the field. I had my kid play on lower level teams, mostly by accident, and he NOW has the uncanny ability to come up with the overthrown ball about 90% of the time because he KNEW it would be thrown there because he has seen it happen 100 times. While I wouldn't have a Majors kid play on a AA team there is something to be said IN THE YOUNGER AGES of playing on a lower level team.
4. Until 15u and up MANY kids can just get by with what is being done in practice. I do hope parents remember it is a GAME! If your kid asks you to soft toss, or asks you to take him to the cages that is one thing but no parent should be standing over a sub 15u kid saying "You haven't gotten your cage work in this week let's go"....kids still need time to be kids, and THEY have to be the driving force behind extra baseball work, not the parents.
Well said.
So parents should not push? I disagree on that. Parent should not push too hard is more like it. Remember we are dealing with boys that get easily distracted now, even more when you add the girl-friend element in. We push them in school work, house work, and other stuff, but not push them atheletically?
Somewhat hypocritical IMO. |
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sebaseball
101 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2016 : 13:54:21
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| I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished! |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 06/23/2016 : 14:14:07
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Interesting debate here, and several threads of thought unfolding.
1. The dad-coach does not have to have the most talented player on the team, and usually this dad has a "real job" and usually this time on the ball field with his son is because he has 3+ kids and this is THEIR time to bond. They aren't major level teams because sometimes it's just about fun, not getting to the next level. Bottom line though if you feel your kid is being shafted in favor of the coaches kid then find another team.
2. Two practices on the field per week for 2 hours and one hour in the batting cage Thursday or Friday before the tourney using the bat that will be used on that tourney.
3. Having a AAA kid play on a AA team is a personal choice. Yes, the kid might be better than everyone on his team but spending some time on a lower skilled team CAN result in way higher game reps for the kid as well as the ability to see how things are mostly likely to unfold in a bad way on the field. I had my kid play on lower level teams, mostly by accident, and he NOW has the uncanny ability to come up with the overthrown ball about 90% of the time because he KNEW it would be thrown there because he has seen it happen 100 times. While I wouldn't have a Majors kid play on a AA team there is something to be said IN THE YOUNGER AGES of playing on a lower level team.
4. Until 15u and up MANY kids can just get by with what is being done in practice. I do hope parents remember it is a GAME! If your kid asks you to soft toss, or asks you to take him to the cages that is one thing but no parent should be standing over a sub 15u kid saying "You haven't gotten your cage work in this week let's go"....kids still need time to be kids, and THEY have to be the driving force behind extra baseball work, not the parents.
Well said.
So parents should not push? I disagree on that. Parent should not push too hard is more like it. Remember we are dealing with boys that get easily distracted now, even more when you add the girl-friend element in. We push them in school work, house work, and other stuff, but not push them atheletically?
Somewhat hypocritical IMO.
Humm, we do seem to keep having this debate on here in different ways.
1. We push in school work because school work will dictate their grades, their grades will dictate their college and their college will dictate their future earnings...i.e. not living in MY basement.
2. We push in house work because "you are a member of this family and must contribute to this family, I bring in the money and pay for the roof over your head and the food in your belly, what are YOU doing for me?"
3. I mandate that my children be in a sport, ANY sport, that gets them outside and off the couch. I do not mandate that my child be the best athlete in that sport. It is not my drive and determination that will get him to the next level it is his, so it had better be coming from him and not me.
When my son was 6 he picked baseball to try as his first sport and he fell in love. Just this past year he has also wanted to try football, okay, I'm in...it gets him off the couch and outside. My daughter is 7, so far she has tried tae-kwon-do, baseball and gymnastics but she didn't have a passion for any of them. Next is cheer-leading and if that doesn't work out either we will go to soccer, basketball, swimming, volleyball....etc. until she finds something she loves or she goes off to college. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2016 : 16:45:17
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Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize. |
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Kory
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Posted - 06/23/2016 : 21:44:07
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| Regardless of the Dad coached team, I have a hard time taking some programs serious. Their tryout posts talk about "development" and "best in the nation", forgetting that a lot of the players that they are recruiting have played their teams. If a team touts itself as the best around, but when you play them they are a complete mess year after year, don't drop a hundred bucks on their tryout. |
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alan66ss
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Posted - 06/23/2016 : 21:50:23
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| I was impressed with OPHornets team tonight - the kids moved all over the place. Did not appear to be slanted toward anyone kid. So I say he does not do the daddy ball thing. Now don't even get me started on the other team.... |
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sebaseball
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Posted - 06/23/2016 : 23:34:48
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says:
"Do coaches have kids on team?
A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers:
"Are there paid coaches?
A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team?
A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno! |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 06/24/2016 : 07:42:29
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OPHornets
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Posted - 06/24/2016 : 08:49:32
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by OPHornets
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Originally posted by Punishers
Also be on the lookout for the 4 and 5 dad coached teams. There is your infield already fixed there.
Link:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64102
Unless you try out for a team with 4 - 5 Dad coaches who don't fit Punishers' mold! 4 Dad coaches and they usually start at CF, 2b, C, and P/3b.
I know its fun to bash Dads but painting with a broad brush isn't always applicable.
Look at the positions you listed. No need to go any further. I consider CF a prime position along with all infield positions.
It's always the coach kid playing 2B. When in reality they do not have the speed or agility to be there to begin with.
Here is my 2B/SS test:
Let the player get in position and hit an air ball to the grassline. If they can not back up and catch the ball and just watch is sail over their head or can't cover a lot of distance. They simply can not play that position and will be weeded out when they have to play on a team with a real coach anyway
Again, 2B/SS are middle infield positions and have to play the base, infield and part of the outfield.
LOL Man - you are a riot. So, the coaches' kids should be the best players on the team but there is something wrong if they have earned their positions that are considered prime ones. Despite being the best option, they should be moved to LF, RF, 1B or 3B just in an effort to not be playing "Daddy ball" and fit your criteria. Totally logical... No way any of us Dad's would have enough sense to have a tryout and put the best kid in the best spot for the team regardless of every other factor.
Seems like you get more pleasure out of trying to insult folks than you do trying to have a sensible discussion . (Oh, I know - this is where I'm guilty and have a thin skin and feelings - you are right, I get it!) Speaking up against your rhetoric against Dad's has much less to do with the childish "whoever smelt it, dealt it" response you threw out and much more to do with informing folks that you may be partially right but you are certainly wrong too. You might know baseball but your campaign against Dad's is misinformed and misguided.
Many folks come here for info and your opinion shouldn't be the only one represented. :)
Now, I am going to go try and have a productive day and I will try not to eat any paint chips along the way. |
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Punishers
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Posted - 06/24/2016 : 09:07:19
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I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says:
"Do coaches have kids on team?
A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers:
"Are there paid coaches?
A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team?
A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post. |
Edited by - Punishers on 06/24/2016 09:18:14 |
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