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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 09:28:12
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quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says: "Do coaches have kids on team? A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers: "Are there paid coaches? A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team? A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post.
I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that this isn't 17u ball that is being talked about, it's 10u ball. Okay, deep breath, man my stomach hurts from laughing....continue! |
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ballsandbats
85 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 09:38:40
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quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says: "Do coaches have kids on team? A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers: "Are there paid coaches? A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team? A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post.
Now daddy ball isn't possible if the kid is a lefty. ROTFL. What if he's ambidextrous? |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 10:01:12
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quote: Originally posted by ballsandbats
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says: "Do coaches have kids on team? A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers: "Are there paid coaches? A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team? A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post.
Now daddy ball isn't possible if the kid is a lefty. ROTFL. What if he's ambidextrous?
Usually daddy ball involves 2B and SS, not a OF lefty. If he was ambi and could throw with both arms with the same velocity. I want to see him asap! He could switch arms in an at bat. Ambi's usually have an higher iq than most. Takes a lot to adapt mind and body to use both sides. I do love seeing the ambi 6 finger glove. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 10:06:30
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quote: Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
quote: Originally posted by Punishers
quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says: "Do coaches have kids on team? A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers: "Are there paid coaches? A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team? A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post.
I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that this isn't 17u ball that is being talked about, it's 10u ball. Okay, deep breath, man my stomach hurts from laughing....continue!
Agreed! Had to put some humor in there to lighten things up a bit. |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 15:04:46
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Punisher - As a fellow Gwinnettian, I get your point. There are lots of things wrong with youth sports and it's adults (parents and coaches) who are usually the problem.
There should absolutely be a place for dads in youth sports just as there should absolutely not be a place for daddy-ball in youth sports.
I coached a pretty high level major team (competed nationally) from 10U - 13U because like-minded dads and I wanted more for our sons than the GGBL had to offer. I can say w/o question that the 9U GGBL season was a wasted year. That may not have been someone else's experience but it was mine.
Now, I can say that I never coached to give my son an advantage (unlike SOME, not ALL dads). He typically played first base and outfield for our team but I honestly preferred him in the outfield for development purposes. He was usually our best option at first. He typically hit at the bottom of the order from 10U through12U seasons when the other coaches said he should be moved up. I would also sit him more than he probably should have at times because he was my son and understood my position. This started in T-ball when he knew no matter what he did, he would be the last to get a game ball. I said all of that to say, when I decided not to coach this year, I didn't have any anxiety about how he would do under a new coach because he's always had to earn everything that he's gotten. I will also say that he's actually done better without me coaching so I should have retired a long time ago. #128512;
This is definitely not about my son but I wanted to share my story. I was determined not to be accused of daddy ball because I experienced it firsthand and definitely didn't want to repeat the behavior that I despised.
So, that's my story and I hope that you can see that all dads don't coach to give their kid an unfair advantage. |
Edited by - hshuler on 06/24/2016 15:49:42 |
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tbaillie2
120 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 16:10:39
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quote: Originally posted by hshuler
Punisher - As a fellow Gwinnettian, I get your point. There are lots of things wrong with youth sports and it's adults (parents and coaches) who are usually the problem.
There should absolutely be a place for dads in youth sports just as there should absolutely not be a place for daddy-ball in youth sports.
I coached a pretty high level major team (competed nationally) from 10U - 13U because like-minded dads and I wanted more for our sons than the GGBL had to offer. I can say w/o question that the 9U GGBL season was a wasted year. That may not have been someone else's experience but it was mine.
Now, I can say that I never coached to give my son an advantage (unlike SOME, not ALL dads). He typically played first base and outfield for our team but I honestly preferred him in the outfield for development purposes. He was usually our best option at first. He typically hit at the bottom of the order from 10U through12U seasons when the other coaches said he should be moved up. I would also sit him more than he probably should have at times because he was my son and understood my position. This started in T-ball when he knew no matter what he did, he would be the last to get a game ball. I said all of that to say, when I decided not to coach this year, I didn't have any anxiety about how he would do under a new coach because he's always had to earn everything that he's gotten. I will also say that he's actually done better without me coaching so I should have retired a long time ago. #128512;
This is definitely not about my son but I wanted to share my story. I was determined not to be accused of daddy ball because I experienced it firsthand and definitely didn't want to repeat the behavior that I despised.
So, that's my story and I hope that you can see that all dads don't coach to give their kid an unfair advantage.
I could have written the same post...well put. This whole "dad" thing the academy or 'paid' coaches put out is just bad sales on their part as they can't just sell themselves (some are really good, not saying there aren't). If it's someone's job 100% of the time, I sure hope they'd be better at it.
That said, 95% of the dads who coached travel ball sure as hell weren't doing it for anything but the joy of working with ALL the kids. I would put the preparation of my team against anyone. |
Edited by - tbaillie2 on 06/24/2016 16:46:48 |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 17:14:16
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quote: Originally posted by hshuler
Punisher - As a fellow Gwinnettian, I get your point. There are lots of things wrong with youth sports and it's adults (parents and coaches) who are usually the problem.
There should absolutely be a place for dads in youth sports just as there should absolutely not be a place for daddy-ball in youth sports.
I coached a pretty high level major team (competed nationally) from 10U - 13U because like-minded dads and I wanted more for our sons than the GGBL had to offer. I can say w/o question that the 9U GGBL season was a wasted year. That may not have been someone else's experience but it was mine.
Now, I can say that I never coached to give my son an advantage (unlike SOME, not ALL dads). He typically played first base and outfield for our team but I honestly preferred him in the outfield for development purposes. He was usually our best option at first. He typically hit at the bottom of the order from 10U through12U seasons when the other coaches said he should be moved up. I would also sit him more than he probably should have at times because he was my son and understood my position. This started in T-ball when he knew no matter what he did, he would be the last to get a game ball. I said all of that to say, when I decided not to coach this year, I didn't have any anxiety about how he would do under a new coach because he's always had to earn everything that he's gotten. I will also say that he's actually done better without me coaching so I should have retired a long time ago. #128512;
This is definitely not about my son but I wanted to share my story. I was determined not to be accused of daddy ball because I experienced it firsthand and definitely didn't want to repeat the behavior that I despised.
So, that's my story and I hope that you can see that all dads don't coach to give their kid an unfair advantage.
Good Stuff!!! GGBL is worse than Dixie Youth League. I was requested and urged to coach until my love for money took over. I prefer not to coach my own kid anyway.
I remember watching a 9u game this season and the pitcher could not draw a strike with a piece of chalk on concrete. He gave up close to 8 runs and the coach was saying "work it out". You already know whose kid it was. That's not baseball and the coach should be vilified for doing such things.
Most of these guys coach their kid cause they could not make any other team. Kid can't make any team, just start a team with no real objective except posting the weakest kid in positions they can not play. |
Edited by - Punishers on 06/24/2016 21:12:50 |
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sebaseball
101 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2016 : 17:43:44
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Usually daddy ball involves 2B and SS, not a OF lefty. If he was ambi and could throw with both arms with the same velocity. I want to see him asap! He could switch arms in an at bat. Ambi's usually have an higher iq than most. Takes a lot to adapt mind and body to use both sides. I do love seeing the ambi 6 finger glove.
Actually, unless I'm badly mistaken, an ambi pitcher has to declare which arm he is going to pitch with for the duration of each hitter's at bat. He can switch sides from one hitter to the next, but not within each at bat. The hitter, on the other hand, can switch sides of the plate in an at bat. One of those crazy baseball things like calling a Fair Pole a Foul Pole.
Sorry to pile on, but your whole concept of what constitutes "daddy ball" is warped. It doesn't matter what position a kid plays. If a dad is consistantly playing his son in a position(s) over kids who are better to the point that it's detrimental to the team's performance, then that's "daddy ball". Doesn't matter if it's catcher, 1B, RF, SS or even Left Out (the bench). It's the intent that determines what it is, not what position is played. |
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Punishers
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Posted - 06/24/2016 : 22:23:32
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quote: Originally posted by sebaseball
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Usually daddy ball involves 2B and SS, not a OF lefty. If he was ambi and could throw with both arms with the same velocity. I want to see him asap! He could switch arms in an at bat. Ambi's usually have an higher iq than most. Takes a lot to adapt mind and body to use both sides. I do love seeing the ambi 6 finger glove.
Actually, unless I'm badly mistaken, an ambi pitcher has to declare which arm he is going to pitch with for the duration of each hitter's at bat. He can switch sides from one hitter to the next, but not within each at bat. The hitter, on the other hand, can switch sides of the plate in an at bat. One of those crazy baseball things like calling a Fair Pole a Foul Pole.
Sorry to pile on, but your whole concept of what constitutes "daddy ball" is warped. It doesn't matter what position a kid plays. If a dad is consistantly playing his son in a position(s) over kids who are better to the point that it's detrimental to the team's performance, then that's "daddy ball". Doesn't matter if it's catcher, 1B, RF, SS or even Left Out (the bench). It's the intent that determines what it is, not what position is played.
Ambi pitcher rule: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Venditte#The_Pat_Venditte_Rule
I would still try to let him switch pitch during an at bat until the umpires or other coach says something. They just may be too amazed to argue it.
Venditte is just one of those freaks of nature that has an unreal control of his body. I bet his IQ is off the charts too.
Let's be real about this "daddy ball" thing. Usually and I mean usually involves 2B and SS. P is also a position. The intent or the act of all the above including those prime positions constitutes it. Normally it is detrimental to the team. Ever notice how the ball seems to finds that player? I know you have seen quite a few teams do daddy ball and where are those kids usually posted? We partly agree!!!!!!!!!!!! I consider it enough to agree.
Let's define it and make a wikipedia page. We may get paid by the number of clicks it get. |
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tbaillie2
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Posted - 06/25/2016 : 09:55:51
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Most of us are 'being real', and not wielding a broad brush trying to make a point. I am normally more worried about my own team, not figuring out where the other coach puts his own kid (or even if the other coach has a kid on the team or not).
And while it is quite common knowledge to want to be 'strong up the middle', that doesn't mean they aren't "easier" to play. Frankly, particularly as they get older..it's a lot easier to "hide" a kid at 2b than 3b IMO. |
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Crazyforbball
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Posted - 06/25/2016 : 10:12:50
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While I prefer paid coaching for all the reasons listed above, there are plenty of decent Dad coached teams that do a good, or even outstanding, and fair job. Many of the top teams, especially in younger age groups (most in that case) are coached by Dads. When Daddy ball becomes an issue for me is when the boy clearly does NOT want to be there, hates the sport, sometimes openly, yet is forced to play so Dad can coach. When that child gets ANY playing time over a kid who loves the game. When that Dad coach is convinced if he just keeps him on the field he will start to suddenly love the game. This is when I shake my head in bewilderment. Even worse, when said dad villifies, humiliates or degrades said son in front of the whole team. This brings the whole team down and most certainly is not good for the serious players on the team. Either continue to coach the team with OUT your kid and let him do whatever HE wants, be it football, water-skiing or acting, or at the very least, if there is a glimmer of hope and you just HAVE to coach HIM, then play at a level where HE can find success rather than you as a coach. Who knows? He just MAY be re-inspired to love the game rather than being the brunt of anger, resentment and ridicule from his teammates and parents of other players on the team. Just my .02. |
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Punishers
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Posted - 06/26/2016 : 07:41:19
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quote: Originally posted by Crazyforbball
While I prefer paid coaching for all the reasons listed above, there are plenty of decent Dad coached teams that do a good, or even outstanding, and fair job. Many of the top teams, especially in younger age groups (most in that case) are coached by Dads. When Daddy ball becomes an issue for me is when the boy clearly does NOT want to be there, hates the sport, sometimes openly, yet is forced to play so Dad can coach. When that child gets ANY playing time over a kid who loves the game. When that Dad coach is convinced if he just keeps him on the field he will start to suddenly love the game. This is when I shake my head in bewilderment. Even worse, when said dad villifies, humiliates or degrades said son in front of the whole team. This brings the whole team down and most certainly is not good for the serious players on the team. Either continue to coach the team with OUT your kid and let him do whatever HE wants, be it football, water-skiing or acting, or at the very least, if there is a glimmer of hope and you just HAVE to coach HIM, then play at a level where HE can find success rather than you as a coach. Who knows? He just MAY be re-inspired to love the game rather than being the brunt of anger, resentment and ridicule from his teammates and parents of other players on the team. Just my .02.
Agreed.... I have seen this more this year than any other time. Those who are coaching and fair deserve all the credit in the world. No love for it, don't push it. You never know, the kid may grow to be 6'8" and be a solid hooper, baseball would be a sport of the past for him. |
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BamaDad
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Posted - 06/26/2016 : 10:52:18
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quote: Originally posted by Crazyforbball
While I prefer paid coaching for all the reasons listed above, there are plenty of decent Dad coached teams that do a good, or even outstanding, and fair job. Many of the top teams, especially in younger age groups (most in that case) are coached by Dads. When Daddy ball becomes an issue for me is when the boy clearly does NOT want to be there, hates the sport, sometimes openly, yet is forced to play so Dad can coach. When that child gets ANY playing time over a kid who loves the game. When that Dad coach is convinced if he just keeps him on the field he will start to suddenly love the game. This is when I shake my head in bewilderment. Even worse, when said dad villifies, humiliates or degrades said son in front of the whole team. This brings the whole team down and most certainly is not good for the serious players on the team. Either continue to coach the team with OUT your kid and let him do whatever HE wants, be it football, water-skiing or acting, or at the very least, if there is a glimmer of hope and you just HAVE to coach HIM, then play at a level where HE can find success rather than you as a coach. Who knows? He just MAY be re-inspired to love the game rather than being the brunt of anger, resentment and ridicule from his teammates and parents of other players on the team. Just my .02.
Your .02 times 1,000,000. The situation that you described can destroy a team's chemistry more than anything and that includes the parents. |
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Punishers
688 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 07:05:18
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quote: Originally posted by ballsandbats
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I don't know about everyone else, but I'm excited to see the team that Punisher puts on the field this fall and next spring. I know that even with a much maligned "dad coach" on the coaching staff, he'll get the team to over come that issue. They'll get superior coaching with expert attention to detail, a never give in, grind it out when it hurts mentality coupled with an extremely high performance demand. No question that they're going to be world beaters and turn the GA baseball scene on its ear. Everybody better get ready or get Punished!
Actually, I am not coaching nor on the coaching staff, but will help with training. Business Obligations take priority. Money trumps all. NO DAD Coaching! I practice what I preach!!!!!!! I have turned everything over to JoJo Batten at Team360Baseball. We share the same views and I'm very sure that JoJo will provide superior coaching.
Just in case you want to know: JoJo played with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
There it is sebaseball.....Can you do the same?? Sounds like you are guilty of daddy ball and offended. Sorry if I hurt your feelings then.
I have had 100's of parents contact me about the team and tryouts. How many have you gotten? Know your level before you criticize.
In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis". You certainly sound like you know your stuff, but I would think that this is news to us all that you've already turned the team over to an academy. Are they versed in the ways of and committed to Dominican baseball? That seems to be one of your main differentiators and selling points. By the way, I sleep extremely well at night, so no guilt on my part. I fully admit that I don't have all the answers, that there is more to learn and that there are better coaches than I am. But, I'm very comfortable in who I am and how I go about leading our young men. I'm just a poor, pitiful, little ol' dad coach who does the best he can. But I do watch MLB highlights & stay at Holiday Inn Express when we travel....
I am quite confused though. Your post announcing the team on the 10U board says: "Do coaches have kids on team? A. Yes, the head coach has a lefty son that is a die-hard out-fielder that can pitch and play 1st base. Currently plays on a 10u Major team. Head coach has played professional baseball in the US and Dominican Republic where he experienced playing with some of the best players in the world that had little to no money and even less gear." http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64019
I apologize for misunderstanding that having a coach with a kid on the team doesn't constitute a "dad coach". My bad.
Now that we know an Academy will be running the team there are a couple of other confusing questions & answers: "Are there paid coaches? A. No paid coaches. So no limit on training. Coaches have jobs and their own businesses. Professional level training is included by actual baseball players not some wannabe dads watching MLB highlights on ESPN. Coaches attend and host coaching clinics to college and professional coaches. We even have a track coach that has competed at the D-1 and professionally to ensure that our players get faster running bases."
"Is this an “Academy” team? A. NO! We are not trying to fleece parents for money to train their young players. This is not a business. We will not sell you the “development” or “process” key words. This is just baseball business code for “you are ignorant fools, give us your money, your kid and STFU”. Ours answers are direct and to the point. All funds go to the team and tournaments. Our sponsors cover at minimum half of the costs. All parents pay the same amount, no pay for position play. Positions are earned. These so-called academies will usually have a former baseball player at some level that will sell you as if they will be involved, but you will end up with a clueless dad coaching and will end up experiencing “Daddy Ball” at it’s worst levels while your hard earned money goes to the nice facility and owners pockets. They will tell you that it doesn’t matter at this age. Wrong, this age establishes a solid foundation. Their grades and education work ethic do not matter at this age either if you believe that."
So, the owner and founder of Team360Baseball is going to take on this team as the Head Coach and devote the necessary time, effort and energy for it to be a high powered Major team for free? Since there is no limit on training, there won't be any extra cost for individual work with instructors? All the money the parents pay and/or raise will go 100% to the team & 0% to the academy? And the Punishers, as a team, are going to be viewed and treated as a seperate entity from the other Team360 teams they already have? You negotiated a fantastic deal my man. Muy Beuno!
The deal I negotiated is a fantastic and tremendous, make baseball great again deal. Trust me! I make great deals.
On a serious note:
I have been contacted by many parent and academies. Spoke to all of them. I have vetted many coaches in this process since my business deal came up. I can say for a fact that the only thing that will change is the paid coach for this team. I do not have a problem using their brand. I will immediately step in if things are not running up to par for the team. I will also be part of the tryouts.
I have laid out a path and details of what is expected and if they can not meet those expectations things will definitely change. Everything must be in the best interest of the players and the team.
Like I said. I practice what I preach when it comes down to no dad coaches. My kid is a lefty so no issues with posting him at 2B or SS to begin with. No daddy ball with a lefty!!!!
Seems you are more interested in how I run things or bitter that you only played at a DIII school and didn't have what it takes to get to the next level. Nevertheless, no need to give any details of our inner workings since you or your kid is not playing for the team anyway. Stay tuned, I am working on changes to the post.
Now daddy ball isn't possible if the kid is a lefty. ROTFL. What if he's ambidextrous?
Correction. It is possible! Saw a lefty playing catcher in a tournament this past weekend. Could have been the best catcher on the team, didn't stay and watch the game long enough to find out. But could tell whose kid it was though.
Found it! I knew I've seen this somewhere:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40348 |
Edited by - Punishers on 06/27/2016 09:31:33 |
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