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CaCO3Girl
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 Posted - 04/18/2016 : 07:50:46
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Originally posted by twodown22
Jaylen Smith in the article was a top 5 pick before his injury so he is stating he is the best before the draft being he didn't get to work out. The injury was devastating to the point he may fall out of the first-second round altogether. Its a mental statement he is making and if you ever played a sport at high level, you know the difference. If your kid is a high level athlete whether baseball, boxing, football, tennis, etc. He better believe he is the best. Nothing wrong with stating this. It's a mentality every top athlete has. Coachable mentality not attitude. In essence, if you raise you kids right and instill values, morals etc. Then they will be humble with a killer instinct(work mentality ( that's needed to be successful and always push them. All parents need to do what's best for their kids and stop worry about how other teach, raise their kids. Spoiled brats with a sense of entitlement type of kids will always be around but know the difference between spoiled and gifted humble confidence.
We will have to disagree on this point. It is more than acceptable to think you are good, even great, but not the best. There will ALWAYS be someone better at something. They pitch faster, run faster, hit farther, throw harder, slide better.....etc. If you think you are the best you have NOTHING to work towards and you fall behind.
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Gapper
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Posted - 04/18/2016 : 08:54:28
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Well thanks for the most vague answer possible. I say that jokingly. With all of the talk about the commitment a player makes to a team and how that needs to be honored, I would think that a player/parent would have to do some pretty outlandish things to make the team look bad to get kicked off. Just curious if anyone had experienced a player being removed and how bad the situation was before it actually happened.
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 04/18/2016 : 09:48:50
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Originally posted by Gapper
Well thanks for the most vague answer possible. I say that jokingly. With all of the talk about the commitment a player makes to a team and how that needs to be honored, I would think that a player/parent would have to do some pretty outlandish things to make the team look bad to get kicked off. Just curious if anyone had experienced a player being removed and how bad the situation was before it actually happened.
I have seen three scenarios:
1. A 12u player progressively got worse as the season went on for a AA/AAA team. The coach basically just said he was cutting the kid and if they gave his jersey back to the team they would partially refund their money. Then they recruited a different kid. Personally I thought this was HORRIBLE! That kid actually quit baseball.
2. 11u, around mid May the coach started sitting certain kids a LOT. I know travel ball isn't rec ball and not everyone gets a chance to play, but if the team played 4 games at 6 innings each for a total of 24 innings the kids played maybe 4 of those innings and were put in the batting order maybe 2 or 3 innings per game. This was the coaches way of saying "You are not welcome back next year, this is your notice"...but he didn't outright say it. I think that was better than the first example but still harsh for a kid.
3. 13u, the boys dad would come to the games with a flask and get nasty with the umps and coaches. The parents were told (on a sober day) I'm fine with the kid but the dad is banned. The parents chose to leave the team entirely. I can't fault the coach on that one.
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twodown22
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Posted - 04/18/2016 : 10:29:25
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by twodown22
Jaylen Smith in the article was a top 5 pick before his injury so he is stating he is the best before the draft being he didn't get to work out. The injury was devastating to the point he may fall out of the first-second round altogether. Its a mental statement he is making and if you ever played a sport at high level, you know the difference. If your kid is a high level athlete whether baseball, boxing, football, tennis, etc. He better believe he is the best. Nothing wrong with stating this. It's a mentality every top athlete has. Coachable mentality not attitude. In essence, if you raise you kids right and instill values, morals etc. Then they will be humble with a killer instinct(work mentality ( that's needed to be successful and always push them. All parents need to do what's best for their kids and stop worry about how other teach, raise their kids. Spoiled brats with a sense of entitlement type of kids will always be around but know the difference between spoiled and gifted humble confidence.
We will have to disagree on this point. It is more than acceptable to think you are good, even great, but not the best. There will ALWAYS be someone better at something. They pitch faster, run faster, hit farther, throw harder, slide better.....etc. If you think you are the best you have NOTHING to work towards and you fall behind.
I never stated that top athletes stop working because they believe they are the best. Ask Peyton if Tom is better I can guarantee you he will say no. Again, it's a mentality. All the greats recognize their flaws and shortcomings and realize they have a ton of things they need to work on. I can guarantee you Bryce Harper will tell you he is the best but at the same time, he realizes there are a ton of things he needs to work on to get better. If you think you are great, well heck, that's synonymous with the best without saying it. As we are nurturing these young kids, we always want them to work hard to be the best and great whether it's in school or sports. Will there always be others who are better and more talented,smarter, yes, but that shouldn't stop parents from making their kids aware which will only make them strive to the best or great. I'm not saying raise a butthole, but raise a hard working young man/Lady to always strive to be the best/great and know you will have to work hard everyday. |
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turntwo
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Posted - 04/18/2016 : 11:01:36
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Originally posted by Gapper
Well thanks for the most vague answer possible. I would think that a player/parent would have to do some pretty outlandish things to make the team look bad to get kicked off. Just curious if anyone had experienced a player being removed and how bad the situation was before it actually happened.
How about "poor attitude". Examples:
-If a kid (or parents) are NOT 'team players' (ONLY worried about their kid, and his performance and no one else, or throwing other players/parents 'under the bus' to others (aka being a 'cancer')), they HAVE to go.
-If dad cusses coach out (with team present) about his son's playing time, innings pitched, or where his son hits in the order... Gotta go. |
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Gapper
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Posted - 04/18/2016 : 16:42:54
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CaCO3Girl, I think the 12u situation is why I chose to ask the question given the topic of "quitting a team" was being discussed. I was just curious if there was a double standard out there where a team would be OK cut a player if he wasn't performing to a certain expectations, but a player who joined a team with certain expectations (whether that be the instruction/level of play, etc.) would just be expected to stick it out. Some of it is probably relative to what was discussed up front when the team is offering that player a roster spot.
Now when it comes to attitude, I think the player or parent would need to be doing something that embarrassed or harmed the team in front of other players, families, or opposing teams. Obviously the example of drinking at a game would be a given and the coach was right to ban the dad only in that situation and let the family make the decision to walk. If a parent is throwing a fit at the coaches before, during, or after a game to a point that bystanders notice then it could be the same type of situation. If it is handled in a private way, then I think a coach and parent can either work it out or agree to disagree without any need to remove the player. |
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aj94
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Posted - 04/19/2016 : 07:31:33
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Originally posted by Baseballrocks123
Kid is 9 and doing travel ball but every game they get destroyed 1-20. Currently they are 0-12. Thinking of taking kid off the team. I don't see any positives to it and they are scheduled to go to mid June.
Thoughts.
Simple answer...do what you think is in the best interest of your son. |
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Baseballrocks123
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Posted - 04/19/2016 : 22:46:57
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Update from OP....
Coach backed off the tournaments for a bit and trying to work on issues at practices before going to next tournament. Thumbs ups that he has adjusted things after our rough start and giving kids and parents a reprieve. |
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Turnit
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Posted - 04/20/2016 : 09:33:53
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| What are the chances that this board and the corresponding discussion prompted change for a team that apparently needed it? Did the manager read and make changes accordingly? |
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At what point is it OK to pull your kid off team?
