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BallisLife
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 Posted - 02/09/2015 : 19:28:33
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| Not sure when Buford ever played nghs before but yeah. Would love to see that. It's not North and it's not Miil Creek but if y'all had kept kids in your district instead of running them off to private schools and stuff then maybe. LOL. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2015 : 08:24:53
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by rippit
Y'all are talking about 2 different things...travel baseball vs HS baseball.
I saw Fall High School games this past Fall, so yes...there are Fall High School Teams. They may not be "official" games, or "official" teams, and not coached by the "real" coach but there are games.
So, the Football guy would just be excused from all Fall Baseball?
Second edit: "Excused" is not the right word. "Not required to participate during the baseball off-season" is what the deal is/was/should be. Now my son only wanted to play baseball even though I'm sure he would have loved football, so he always was playing in the fall. Some of the most fun teams he was on were just cobbled together from several teams just to have bodies to play a fall schedule.
There is no official Fall High School baseball so no baseball to be "excused" from. If your HS coaches were participating or requiring your player to participate I'm pretty sure they were breaking some rules.
When I coached travel teams, to the extent we got together before February, football and basketball players and wrestlers were not required to participate. If they did it was their parents' decision to juggle two sports and school. Certainly not one I would have made, but the baseball was usually conditioning and only a couple of times a week.
Of course, we didn't win any world championships, so maybe that was the wrong approach.{{sarcasm}}
Just saw bballman's and others' responses, so sorry for the repetition. Fall is football and cross country season, winter is basketball/wrestling and spring is baseball. |
Edited by - AllStar on 02/10/2015 09:18:25 |
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22202
263 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2015 : 08:50:45
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@ballislife- I think they quit playing football against each other in the late 80's or early 90's. Just a good cross town rivalry. I think the end was close to the year when Buford opened their new stadium and the night before the Friday night game Tom Riden stadium was vandalized. I graduated from North and now live in Buford and my kids go to Buford. I don't know if they ever played in baseball. Sorry didn't mean to highjack the topic.
@shuler-Between the McEachern game and the Trinity game it was a fun year to watch for sure. |
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Card6
152 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 06:27:06
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| Freshman going out for JV Varsity is like 12 yr old trying to make a 14u team. Great if you make it but wouldn't get upset if he doesn't. If you don't get the playing time who cars, Plenty of options and more fun. What I have seen that is a blow to a parent is when they don't make varsity the next year. A parent/coach can only coach their kid to their ability. The right coach will get you there. The wrong coach will disappoint and reality is going to slap you in the face. The Game has passed you by. |
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prestont
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 09:44:04
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Hi All - as a parent of a freshman this year I wanted to highlight a couple items after going thru the process for the first time, at a HS with a brand new coach too.
1. Do not underestimate the importance of participation in off season workouts. Our son played fall travel ball, and worked out with his (non-HS) trainer too. We also shut down his arm for 7-8 weeks after fall. He didn't make it to ALL of the workouts, but spent enough time at HS workouts so the coaches knew him. Its you son's opportunity to be seen, and show the coaches what they are capable of.
2. Politics, Politics, Politics! Our son knows he has to 'earn his way', and we did not go out of our way to buddy-up to the coaches or get involved with LOTS of dugout club items ($) UNTIL he earned his way on the team. Politics definitely do factor in.
One of the more rewarding comments he told us after tryouts was all the hard work he put in at the younger ages really helped prepare him for HS baseball.
Let's get ready for some baseball! 2 Hot Chocolate Thermos for the cold, & Good luck to all this Spring/Summer! |
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bballman
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 11:15:10
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Originally posted by prestont
2. Politics, Politics, Politics! Our son knows he has to 'earn his way', and we did not go out of our way to buddy-up to the coaches or get involved with LOTS of dugout club items ($) UNTIL he earned his way on the team. Politics definitely do factor in.
Curious how you see politics factoring in here. Sounds like you did NOT do anything to influence the coaches decision on your son, yet he still made the team. Your story sounds like a case for there being no politics involved, only the hard work of your son both prior to entering HS and working hard in the preseason workouts. |
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hitithere
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 11:30:10
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Not making JV is a tough blow no doubt. There is an advantage in that the kids that make the HS team get a lot of reps (6 days of practice/week) over the kids that do not make. Keep working, as making varsity as a Junior or Senior is what it is all about especially if college ball is the goal.
For those who were on the "bubble" as a freshman, maybe the parents should consider taking a leadership position in the booster club next year to tip the scales in your favor.
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ohand2
22 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 11:46:48
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| My son worked hard all off season to prepare for High School tryouts... made the JV as a Freshman and was getting reps with the Varsity ... last Saturday during a scrimmage he blew his ACL up. Reconstructive surgery scheduled and 8 months of rehab to follow... very difficult for him to take, but he is determined to come back... I'm heartbroken for him... |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 11:48:10
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by prestont
2. Politics, Politics, Politics! Our son knows he has to 'earn his way', and we did not go out of our way to buddy-up to the coaches or get involved with LOTS of dugout club items ($) UNTIL he earned his way on the team. Politics definitely do factor in.
Curious how you see politics factoring in here. Sounds like you did NOT do anything to influence the coaches decision on your son, yet he still made the team. Your story sounds like a case for there being no politics involved, only the hard work of your son both prior to entering HS and working hard in the preseason workouts.
Just guessing here, but I'd say he witnessed a kid or two (or more) that made the team that wasn't as capable (re: good) as others, but parents being HIGHLY involved help the kiddo get the nod. |
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prestont
197 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:30:39
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turntwo - your spot on. Not talking about our son, just observations knowing talented kids in our age group.
Best of luck to your son ohand2 - surgeries today are very different than when I was a youngster. Kids today come back much quicker, and often stronger too. Our thoughts will be with your son for a successful recovery. Now my knees can predict rain better than Chesley McNeil and the Wizometer on 11Alive |
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BREAMKING
323 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:38:27
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| Buford looked good last night. They look like a team that can make a run at a championship. Man it was cold last night. |
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hshuler
1074 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:52:45
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Ohand2 - Best wishes on your son's full and speedy recovery.
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters? |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:55:04
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| Ohand2: I am so so so sorry to hear this! Hurts my heart. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 12:59:20
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Politics: yes I think it helps in 9th and 10th grade. After that, there are only so many spots on Varsity and in our experience seniors take precedent.
PS: our coach knew who played summer/fall ball. He knew who put the effort in with trainers etc. I thought we would draw the short straw if politics played a part. They didn't. He made the team. Exhale!! |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 15:04:53
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Originally posted by hshuler
Ohand2 - Best wishes on your son's full and speedy recovery.
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters?
It does to those four kids. Everyone's career ends at some point. For some, it ends at HS, for others, college, and for others, at some point in pro ball. For those bubble kids in HS, it's the difference in ending their baseball career or not (not trying to spark a debate that a kid not making his HS team can't go on to play college. We know it happens, but we're going with the general percentages here). If it boils down to filling the last two roster spots between four kids, things like parent participation will certainly come in to play. If it were me making the decision, and all other things are equal, would certainly favor the kid and/or family who are able to enrich the program.
Also, one point preston made is that he isn't willing to help the booster club UNTIL his kid makes the team. Pretty shallow attitude in my opinion. I buy girl scout cookies even though I don't eat them and don't even have a daughter. I buy boy scout popcorn even though it's about the worst tasting popcorn you can buy. I gave a kid $10 for jump for life the other day. I have sent checks to lacrosse teams, football teams, etc., etc. even though my boys play neither. I help support the kids and programs that I care about in life. I supported many HS booster clubs of the school my sons attend(ed) because it helps everyone. It takes a lot of resources and I don't only contribute to those programs that directly benefit me or my son. Because my sons all play baseball, I know how expensive it is to maintain a good facility and program and that the numbers game (just varsity and JV parents being tapped) will certainly miss the mark. I will continue to provide some sort of financial resources to the school programs long after my boys are gone. I get that not everyone has extra money to share (and I don't have much myself), but you can give of your time and talents, and to sit back and knowingly hold back those resources until your kid makes the team, when everyone can benefit from it, seems pretty selfish to me.
If we wonder where kids get their entitlement mentality, maybe it starts with a look in the mirror. I would hope that this opinion is in he minority of most in this community |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 15:11:05
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Originally posted by hshuler
Regarding politics, does it really matter if the last two kids make the squad because their parents are boosters? Do the bottom two kids get playing time? Or are kids playing that shouldn't be playing because the parents are boosters?
It certainly does, in my opinion. This thread has come 'full circle', from high school tryouts, to 'daddy-ball', to 'politics-ball', to college, etc.
Why is it that "daddy-ball" is frowned up so much at earlier ages, but "politics" is so acceptable? To me, they are one in the same only on a different scale. I've already witnessed in our community, too many MUCH more talented kids, more deserving (due to the time/effort they put in) ball players (albeit not STUDS) get passed over because their mom and dad have to work full-time (or even two) jobs and cannot be as involved (re: time or financially) as others.
I know the argument is 'if they were SO much better the coach would be forced to take them'... That simply isn't true. Freshman/JV teams aren't as scrutinized for winning as varsity. At least around here. |
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hshuler
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 16:48:08
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ITK/TT - Good points! I am just trying to get an understanding because sometimes parents don't see what everyone else sees. I hear parents complain about coaches all the time when really the kid is not as good as the parent thinks. Is it considered politics or daddyball if I choose not to take a kid at 12U because of crazy parents? If it comes down to the 24th & 25th kid on a high school roster, basically you're splitting hairs, right? So is it wrong to choose the family that can help the program most?
It's a polarizing topic that will be debated well into the future. I certainly don't have the answers but I think every situation is unique. |
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bballman
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Posted - 02/13/2015 : 17:00:35
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I think what people to need to realize here is that parent's participation in the booster club or donating time or money is only part of the equation that a coach has to take into account. Maybe the coach sees something in the kids he picks at the bottom of the heap that others don't see. When I hear or read people saying that so and so was better than the kid who made the team, that is their opinion. And that's all it is - an opinion. Maybe the coach has a different opinion. Part of that opinion might be a families participation. Part of it might be that he sees that kid being a bigger contributor in the long run. Part of it might be that one kid can hit better than another - even though the kid who got cut is a better fielder - or visa versa.
Part of it is that coaches are building a team, not just for this year, but for the next four years. In other words, the coach may have things come down to two kids. One is a first baseman and the other is a centerfielder. If the coach has 2 very good sophomore 1st basemen and a junior first baseman - and he only has one legitimate centerfielder and he is a senior, even though the 1st baseman may be marginally better than the centerfielder, the coach is probably going to keep the centerfielder and cut the 1st baseman because he has more need for the centerfielder. Many might say it's politics because the first baseman was obviously better, but there may be more that goes into it than that. It's just the reality of the situation.
The same thing will happen with college recruiting. There my be schools some of your kids are interested in going to - and they are good enough to play there. But if the school is already stacked in your son's position, he's not going to get recruited to go there. He will need to find a team that needs his particular position. The difference is in HS you get cut - looking at colleges, you just don't get recruited.
Whatever the case may be, the only thing you can tell your son is to work hard to get better and give it a shot again next year. And people talk about a kid's career coming to an end. Don't forget that if one marginal kid makes the team, the other's career might be coming to an end as well. And there are families and other parents who will think it unfair that their kid did not make the team. Politics is not acceptable. But most of the time there are other factors that come into play that can more easily be explained away by just saying it's politics. That's the easy way out. Work hard and get better. Kids that wind up starting on varsity are not usually cut because of politics. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 20:15:42
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| If you can hit, for real, they will keep you. Are you in shape? Do you have decent grades? Are you a good kid in school? |
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brball
615 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2015 : 20:35:42
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| @ ohand2, hate to hear that about your son. Praying for his speedy recovery! |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2015 : 12:17:14
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Nothing else to do today with freezing temps so i will weigh in..GOOD HS coaches let the booster club deal with money most all parents will pay so keeping kids at GOOD schools is based on ability.
Some are run like colleges where there is not loyalty to returning or older players. Do you want a 2nd string SR or a 2nd string sophomore?
If you are not a starter by your JR year not a lot of value. Some coaches want speed and do not want a slow kid in the order.
Many will try to keep lefty, rightly PH and RP available.
What parents do not understand at times is when a starter is hurt quite often a kid is brought up from JV who has been getting REPS to start and not he back up. Coaches often keep 1 and 3 on varsity and 2 on JV to get reps. So if your son is on JV and you think he is better than some guys on varsity the coach may think so as well.
Another generic,blanket statement is if you are DIV 1 talent you will know by soph year as contact in some way will be made. DIV 2 by JR year. IF your a SR and no contact chances are DIV3. Before you argue with this i can even argue with it myself as its just a rule of thumb. Yes kids blossom at 17 and some at 15.
Another thing is being older IE held back sometimes hurts and helps. Yes your the best player at times so you get more looks but pro scouts especially may think the younger they get you the more time you have to grow in their system. A 19/20 yr old SR at graduation could have been in college 2 years or pro ball 2 years and not facing HS pitching |
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bmoser
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Posted - 02/21/2015 : 20:42:10
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| Just be glad your son is still playing baseball, and encourage him to be the best he can be, and if he enjoys it...stick with it. A good travel player in Georgia, is a scholarship player in many small colleges in Northern States. |
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abtigers
20 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 07:39:01
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| If your son is at one of those talent glut schools and wants a chance to play our private school is always looking for good players. |
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BaseballMom6
233 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2015 : 09:39:31
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| abtigers where is your school located? |
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abtigers
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Posted - 03/25/2015 : 10:57:19
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| Sandy Springs. |
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