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rippit
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 Posted - 11/03/2014 : 08:26:14
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| Good for you guys! Similar things going on at our school. I know many here call it sour grapes or whatever. But it happens. The best players should make the team and the best of the players who make the team should play the most. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2014 : 09:10:24
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Congrats on making the right move for your kid. Curious, how does his stats/performance stack up where he was last year vs the other catcher/team?
CM, First let me say just for clarity. This other kid is just a fantastic kid and a darn good ball player. My whole family including my son thinks the world of this kid.
I don't know what his stats were, Im sure they were good. For me this whole thing wasn't about whether he was better or my son was better. Ive seen them both side by side at camps and feel they are very comparable.
It is about the disparity in treatment and opportunity they both got that was the problem. With both being freshmen and the coaches comments concerning his evaluation of my son. I just couldn't see us staying in that situation for the duration of high school.
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 11/03/2014 : 15:19:35
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| BBall123, do you think your son got these schools looking at him from what he did in High School, or what he did in Travel Ball? |
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Critical Mass
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Posted - 11/03/2014 : 15:52:33
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| I've heard some things about your former coach. I have a friend whose son plays for him now. Not all of it is awesome but I watched them beat Allatoona last season at their place....pretty cool stuff. I think my son is friends with their current catcher and several other players. You are right, it sounds like both those boys can catch and play ball. I'm glad you made the best decision for your son and he landed where he can excel. In the end most parents want that opportunity for their kid and don't have the means or gumption to make that move. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2014 : 18:41:19
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
BBall123, do you think your son got these schools looking at him from what he did in High School, or what he did in Travel Ball?
I feel like both worked hand in hand for him. All the 15, 16 and 17u perfect game tournaments he played this past summer at Lake Point put him in front of a LOT of scouts and coaches. Hitting .750 in the state playoffs was mentioned by a few of these guys.
The travel coach we have and the guy who runs our program was key in our process though. We didn't win a lot of tourneys last season, But when these guys walk up to the field every scout and coach there goes to them. Not the other way around. When he talks they listen and our son had the eyes and ears of every scout and coach there that they thought was relevant for him.
I think the Perfect Game Under classmen's showcase was a big factor as well. I think this is a must by your junior year.
If you have not gone through this recruiting process, its a very eye opening experience. When it starts, at least in our case, it came very fast and a lot of different schools. And there is a lot to be done as you get each letter or email.
There are just a ton of things that come into play. The info is out there,I would encourage you to look this stuff up online. There are company's that will reach out and try to get you to pay them to do it for you but if you look for yourself you can find what you need to know. |
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CaCO3Girl
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Posted - 11/04/2014 : 13:34:09
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Well, I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but what would it have mattered if you had stayed at your old high school and he didn't get much playing time? I mean as long as he was seen during travel ball?
We have not been through the recruiting process but I had I thread on here a few weeks ago asking if it was vital to even play on the high school team, because I had seen where several people chose not to have their son play high school, they just focused on travel ball. You moved schools, he had to find all new friends...was this move vital to his future as a ball player, or was it just time for y'all to move?
Once again, not trying to argue, just trying to learn. My son will be playing in a 6A school, what if he doesn't get playing time...is playing time vital in HS to continue with his baseball career? |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2014 : 15:46:34
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Well, I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but what would it have mattered if you had stayed at your old high school and he didn't get much playing time? I mean as long as he was seen during travel ball?
We have not been through the recruiting process but I had I thread on here a few weeks ago asking if it was vital to even play on the high school team, because I had seen where several people chose not to have their son play high school, they just focused on travel ball. You moved schools, he had to find all new friends...was this move vital to his future as a ball player, or was it just time for y'all to move?
Once again, not trying to argue, just trying to learn. My son will be playing in a 6A school, what if he doesn't get playing time...is playing time vital in HS to continue with his baseball career?
I never said High school ball wasn't a factor or important? I guess it depends on whether or not playing high school ball is important to your son. It was to mine.
Can you do it without HS Ball? Well, I guess you could, I don't know. I'm sure many college coaches would ask "if you cant make your High School team, How can you be expected to play at higher levels?"
My postings had less to do with playing time and more to do with a tainted selection process for the team and the inability to do anything about it.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2014 : 10:49:28
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I guess I would just think that if you play HS ball or not, Varsity or not, colleges look for the travel ball kid because there is likely to be a large group of talented players on that team vs. HS teams.
My response to a coach's question of if you can't make your HS team how can you play at higher levels would be "We chose to concentrate on showcases and PG events rather than local HS baseball.
If the coach was that bad, and by all accounts from other posters it really was the coach...would any College scout actually be talking to that kind of man? |
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bballman
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Posted - 11/05/2014 : 14:29:00
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
I guess I would just think that if you play HS ball or not, Varsity or not, colleges look for the travel ball kid because there is likely to be a large group of talented players on that team vs. HS teams.
My response to a coach's question of if you can't make your HS team how can you play at higher levels would be "We chose to concentrate on showcases and PG events rather than local HS baseball.
If the coach was that bad, and by all accounts from other posters it really was the coach...would any College scout actually be talking to that kind of man?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This particular HS coach may be loved by this other player as well as many other players on the team as well as by college recruiters. It sounds like Bball123 had a negative experience with the coach and the process at this school. However, like I said, others may very well see him in a different light.
I'm not saying that Bball123 was not justified in the action he took with his son and they certainly have had a positive outcome as a result, but that doesn't mean that the coach has this reputation among everyone.
I really have no idea who this coach or school is, but I know of several coaches and HSs that this is the case. Some people on these teams would die for the coach and others hated him. Either way, these coaches had a TON of college contacts and have had multiple players move on to the next level.
In response to the other question about where kids get recruited from. Mostly, it is from travel ball. College coaches just don't have the time in the spring to go to HS games. They are playing their own season during that time. However, Bball123's comment about a coach asking about HS ball is valid - at least in my mind. How do you answer that question with out sounding like you are making excuses or whining about the situation?
While I am not a big fan of switching schools, I do understand that there are some situations where this could be what needs to be done. Congratulations to your son Bball123!! I hope he has a great HS career and goes on to great things at his college!! Keep us posted on how things go. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2014 : 15:02:18
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
I guess I would just think that if you play HS ball or not, Varsity or not, colleges look for the travel ball kid because there is likely to be a large group of talented players on that team vs. HS teams.
My response to a coach's question of if you can't make your HS team how can you play at higher levels would be "We chose to concentrate on showcases and PG events rather than local HS baseball.
If the coach was that bad, and by all accounts from other posters it really was the coach...would any College scout actually be talking to that kind of man?
Who knows Brittany, Regardless of college ball. Do you think its right for some guy in a coaches shirt to control your sons ability to play baseball at his school? Not on his baseball ability or talent, not on his merit. But because of hidden relationships and fundraising quotas? Does that seem right to you? To take years of hard work and throw it out the window BEFORE the tryouts are even held because of backroom politics?
Regardless of college ball, That's just not right no matter who you are or how you cut it. I guess some people will, like good little sheep, lay down and take that. Im not wrapped that way.
Good luck with your quest, whatever that may be. Maybe my answers to all of this isn't right for you and your son, I don't know.
But they were right for us. |
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Coach Cole
102 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2014 : 10:22:17
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My advice would be - you never get a second chance to make a first impression - so practice really hard before your HS tryout or first game or two. If your HS coach doesn't have 30 games of data to judge performance by and the preseason is very limited in HS, you need to shine early to get the playing time and get your confidence going. Stay positive, in HS baseball, the squeaky wheel does usually get the oil.
HS programs vary greatly in terms of potential players. In Cobb county, some 6AAAAAA schools have 140 kids at tryouts and some 40. Our school has been on the 40 end of the spectrum but the experience has been good. This year should be the beginning of an improving trend. The school has completed most of its facelift and now the baseball field facilities are being upgraded and most importantly, we now have a new highly qualified coaching staff that will run the show this year and bring some stability and direction to the program. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 07:22:19
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bballman as requested here is an update on my son since my last post. This past High School season we moved up a region, like the previous year he made 1st team All County again. Was offensive mvp for the team, he had a great season. Played for a very high level travel program this summer. Was invited to the Perfect Game National Showcase and came away with the best pop time in the nation in the 2016 class at 1.77 and was ranked #1 catcher in Ga. #8 overall player in Ga. #8 catcher and #62 overall player in the nation by PG. He was selected as a Perfect Game All American and we have just returned from the all american game in San Diego this week. THAT was a great experience!
He was selected to the Ga Top 100 and to the Junior team Georgia team by the Ga Dugout club but had to decline as he had been already selected and was committed to play in the East Coast Pro event in Tampa that same week where he played for the Baltimore Orioles in that event. Its been an exciting and crazy summer, he flew to Arizona with the #1 17u team in the country to play in the PG World Series and he just flew to New York last night where he is playing in the Mets invite only Metropolitan Classic with Team Elite. A lot of MLB interest this summer and we are very excited about what this upcoming High School season will bring. He has a great baseball scholarship to an excellent D1 school with a great baseball program and is super excited about that. So again, I think you have to believe in your son and make a way. No matter what..quote:
Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
I guess I would just think that if you play HS ball or not, Varsity or not, colleges look for the travel ball kid because there is likely to be a large group of talented players on that team vs. HS teams.
My response to a coach's question of if you can't make your HS team how can you play at higher levels would be "We chose to concentrate on showcases and PG events rather than local HS baseball.
If the coach was that bad, and by all accounts from other posters it really was the coach...would any College scout actually be talking to that kind of man?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This particular HS coach may be loved by this other player as well as many other players on the team as well as by college recruiters. It sounds like Bball123 had a negative experience with the coach and the process at this school. However, like I said, others may very well see him in a different light.
I'm not saying that Bball123 was not justified in the action he took with his son and they certainly have had a positive outcome as a result, but that doesn't mean that the coach has this reputation among everyone.
I really have no idea who this coach or school is, but I know of several coaches and HSs that this is the case. Some people on these teams would die for the coach and others hated him. Either way, these coaches had a TON of college contacts and have had multiple players move on to the next level.
In response to the other question about where kids get recruited from. Mostly, it is from travel ball. College coaches just don't have the time in the spring to go to HS games. They are playing their own season during that time. However, Bball123's comment about a coach asking about HS ball is valid - at least in my mind. How do you answer that question with out sounding like you are making excuses or whining about the situation?
While I am not a big fan of switching schools, I do understand that there are some situations where this could be what needs to be done. Congratulations to your son Bball123!! I hope he has a great HS career and goes on to great things at his college!! Keep us posted on how things go.
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CaCO3Girl
1989 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 09:38:27
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| Wow bball123, sounds like a VERY exciting year for your son....I hate to ask but....did you have to pay for all of those plane tickets yourself? And how does the High School feel about a student flying to NY in the middle of the school week? |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 10:04:01
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| I would totally love for you to out the school that you had to leave - unless you already did. There is way too much of this kind of thing going on and it needs to stop. Congratulations for all of you! |
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turntwo
955 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 11:18:27
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Originally posted by BBall123
bballman as requested here is an update on my son since my last post. This past High School season we moved up a region, like the previous year he made 1st team All County again. Was offensive mvp for the team, he had a great season. Played for a very high level travel program this summer. Was invited to the Perfect Game National Showcase and came away with the best pop time in the nation in the 2016 class at 1.77 and was ranked #1 catcher in Ga. #8 overall player in Ga. #8 catcher and #62 overall player in the nation by PG. He was selected as a Perfect Game All American and we have just returned from the all american game in San Diego this week. THAT was a great experience!
He was selected to the Ga Top 100 and to the Junior team Georgia team by the Ga Dugout club but had to decline as he had been already selected and was committed to play in the East Coast Pro event in Tampa that same week where he played for the Baltimore Orioles in that event. Its been an exciting and crazy summer, he flew to Arizona with the #1 17u team in the country to play in the PG World Series and he just flew to New York last night where he is playing in the Mets invite only Metropolitan Classic with Team Elite. A lot of MLB interest this summer and we are very excited about what this upcoming High School season will bring. He has a great baseball scholarship to an excellent D1 school with a great baseball program and is super excited about that. So again, I think you have to believe in your son and make a way. No matter what..
WOW!!!! Awesome. |
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LFconcessions
29 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 11:30:15
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
And how does the High School feel about a student flying to NY in the middle of the school week?
First... CONGRATS BBALL123!!! Sounds like your sons hard work has paid off with some awesome opportunities!
CaCO3Girl - Slightly different situation but one of my sons best friends just made the 15u USA Baseball team, and I asked his mom a similar question since he is missing most of the month of August from school with his time in Cary, Texas, and now in Mexico @ the Pan-Am games. She said the school was great, and faxes his work up to him daily so he can stay current with his peers.
Again - congrats BBALL123. You must be very proud of your son.  |
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leftfielddad
16 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 11:44:58
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| Congrats BBall123.....so exciting to hear stories like this.... |
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Crazyforbball
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 12:23:21
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| Question for everyone here on this topic..I have a rising high school player in a couple of years who goes to a private school...he really wants that "high school experience"....and hopes to play in college.....his school's team will be far less competitive than the public school. Is it worth pulling him from a good private school to play on a hot high school team? He plays travel of course. Will it hurt his playing if he plays on this almost rec ball level team before going back to travel in the summer? It sounds like in many cases the best players sit the bench in favor of the Palm greasers or under performing upperclassmen. What public high schools are doing it right? |
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zwndad
170 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 13:03:34
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| from my experience, the schools are excited that they're students have these opportunities, so they are very accomodating. |
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bballman
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 16:02:14
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| Bball123, my response above got messed up somehow. I wanted to say congratulations to your son. Sounds like he has a great baseball future ahead of him. And it sounds like his old HS coach lost a very talented player. Keep us up on his progress. Especially if he winds up being drafted!! Awesome update!! |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 16:17:32
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Thanks everyone, It has been very exciting. Caco3girl, As far as the costs of these trips. The Perfect game handled all of the players expenses. Most of these higher level teams have lots of sponsorships so many of the players costs are covered as well when playing with them. Our son is a senior and he makes very good grades, We knew going into the school year that he would be doing these trips so we worked it out with the school for him to do a lot that he missed online and he will have to make up anything that he misses. But these opportunity's were so great that we just had to make it happen. And the school loved it that when he was playing on National TV Sunday night they kept saying the schools name during the broadcast.
Rippit, I would love to, But I wont name the school publicly.
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hshuler
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 16:40:36
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Congrats to your son for reaping the rewards of the hard work that not many think about. Talent alone becomes cheaper and cheaper at each progressive level.
Best wishes on a safe and successful senior season!!! |
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2015 : 18:47:28
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| Awesome, Talent trumps all and although i know HS and the kid who was ahead of him and the college where he is committed, i love to hear about kid's winning and glad to hear the move and more importantly his achievements validate your beliefs. Great things ahead man.....cool stuff. |
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JTK
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Posted - 08/20/2015 : 23:13:28
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| Inspiring story, BBall123. |
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BBall123
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