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lifeguard
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Posted - 04/25/2014 : 01:20:37
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I am late to the party. At my son's high school, well, the coach is partial to the seniors, however, he puts the best team on the field. I have seen seniors struggle this season, including my own son, but there are not a lot of options. Although a AAAAAA school, the tryouts back in January had less than 40 kids come out. So the better kids are getting to play and at this point, every kid has played and had at least an at bat. A previous post made a good point, the kids on the team that show up for practice everyday, know who the better players are and I have not heard one kid complain about playing time, batting order, or having to carry the ball bag because they didn't get a hit in the game. They are a .500 ball club and are headed to the state playoffs....the #1 goal of the seniors. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 08:27:41
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I've been thinking about this all weekend. Those that make comments about how the politics don't exist etc...
You made me doubt things for a minute, but then I thought, maybe that's just a guy (or two) who has a kid who plays BECAUSE of the politics and he's the one who is clouded thinking his kid is all that plus a bag of chips and the kid didn't EARN the spot, maybe daddy BOUGHT it for him.
Two way street fellas...y'all need to show some respect. |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 09:37:21
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I don't know who you are talking about rippit, but I have never paid extra or served on a board or done ANYTHING extra to gain play time for my son. I don't have the money to be paying extra. Hell, I barely had the money to pay the minimum. In fact, I have the opposite problem. My son is small. He's only 5'9", so he usually gets discounted to start. He always gets underestimated to begin any season and with any new team. He has always had to earn his play time.
I have never said that politics doesn't exist. What I have said is that if politics are present at the HS level and above, it usually involves two players of near equal ability. If one player is clearly better than another, the better player will play, so make sure your player is clearly better than the other guy. And if there is the rare instance that a coach plays a player that is CLEARLY worse than the alternative, that coach won't be around long because coaches are expected to win. I also said, as long as you use that as an excuse (or any external excuse), you will never do what it takes to get better and get in the lineup. Here's a recent example with my son. He pitched Friday night in a game and wound up being the losing pitcher. He came into a tie game and gave one run in 1 2/3 innings. After the game he complained, along with the other pitchers, that coach was not calling pitches good. He said he threw 35 pitches and 30 of them were fastballs, 5 change ups, no curves. I agreed with him that that is WAY too many fastballs and he needed to mix things up more. But I told him that bottom line, it didn't matter that the coach called pitches like that. If he didn't get guys out, it would come back on him, so he needs to find a way to get guys out even when the pitch calling is like it is. I told him that he needed to find a way to change speeds and movement on his fastball. Mix in some 4 seamers along with his 2 seamer. His fastball tails into a righty, so I told him to develop a pitch that has movement away from rightys. I literally told him that as long as he blamed the coach, he would not get the job done. I told him you need to come up with a way to overcome this. Not exactly the same as the politics thing, but it is the same principle. Don't use an external source as an excuse. Find a way to make yourself better so you get the job done and are indispensable.
I think I'll stick with what I have been saying. And I am not one of those guys who has bought his kid play time. My kid has worked his a$$ off to get where he is. And still works his a$$ off to stay where he is. Because at the college level, if you don't perform, you won't play. Seen it happen over and over already. And he is just a sophomore.
To be honest with you, I am a little resentful about the comment. You don't know me or my son. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 10:18:07
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I also never said politics did not exist. I am sure they do at some schools, just like they do on some travel teams.
As I stated: at my son's school, I have not seen this. I never even met the varsity coach until AFTER my son made the team. I do consider my son lucky to go to this school. Things could be very different someplace else. Do I think my son deserves his position? Yes. As others have stated, the kids know who should be on the field. As a freshman, my son is being advised by some of the better seniors on how to be seen by colleges. If they thought he did not deserve to be playing, they would not be bothering with any of that.
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Tribe
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 13:51:56
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If it makes you and your son feel better to think that he was unfairly cut, benched, dropped in the order, or otherwise disregarded, knock yourself out. We choose not to handle things that way, but to each his own.
By the way, I've never seen a team's top hitters, fielders or pitchers complain about playing time or politics.
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nastycurve
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 15:09:04
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I agree 100% Tribe... it seems to always be those players who feel they have "done enough" and deserve a spot. So you fielded a thousand ground balls, maybe this guy fielded 2000? so you go to the cage three days a week, maybe this guy goes 5?
It seems like some people feel that because they work hard, the spot should be theirs. You dont know others journeys, you dont know what they may or may not have done to get where they are.
Actually I think its the ones who's son never worked hard enough and could always pay a little extra on their dues and/or coach a team when Little Johnny was young to keep him in the lineup, but now that hes in high school, its "politics" and "who you know" that's keeping him out of a spot... Its not, its talent. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 15:47:46
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Sorry if I ruffled y'alls feathers, I was just simply taking the opposite stance. Some discounted what a couple folks said here but that can go both ways. Just sayin'. I have to shake my head when I see kids (never said mine) sitting when they are clearly a better choice than what's going on...
You know what?? Never mind. Nobody's listening anyway. |
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bballguy
224 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 15:56:24
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It's amazing that the same folks that were claiming "daddy ball" from 9u on are now claiming "politics". |
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zwndad
170 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2014 : 17:15:21
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Just curious ... truly ... for those whose kids didn't get they playing time that you/they think they deserve, did they talk to the coaching staff about it? Did they ask for the ball, or even demand it? In some schools, a coach might blow you up for it, but in other schools, the coaches admire the kid who speaks up about their playing time, and their desire to do whatever it takes to help the team win.
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Tribe
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 18:44:54
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quote: Originally posted by bballguy
It's amazing that the same folks that were claiming "daddy ball" from 9u on are now claiming "politics".
Exactly.
This topic comes up all the time on this board and others. I'm usually reserved in my response, because I know how sensitive the issue can be. I've never told this story on a public board, but perhaps it will explain my position.
My son did not make his high school team in his freshman year (neither varsity or even JV). Our family was surprised and very disappointed. I heard from other dads who were asking me "well, what are you going to do?" as if I should complain to the A.D. or the coach or whoever. At the time, I was genuinely concerned that my son was going to hang 'em up for good. So what did I do? I talked to my son, and asked him what he wanted to do. I didn't even consider consoling him by talk of unfair tryouts or politics or anything else outside of his control. What good would that have done? Would he have been motivated to overcome something that was beyond his control? Of course not. His only contact with the high school coach was one question, sent via email: "what do I have to do to make the team next year?" The coach responded with a thorough, honest and accurate appraisal of his skills, and told him what was necessary for him to make the team.
He decided to try harder. He trained. He hit the weights. He worked his tail off. He swallowed his pride and played rec ball for the reps.
He made the JV team the following year. He was called up to varsity and got playing time in the state tournament that same year. He went on to receive All-State, region and county honors the next two years. Next year, he'll be playing D-1 baseball in a good baseball conference with a very nice athletic scholarship.
So yeah, I suppose we could have sat around and complained about how unfair and political his freshman year tryout was, and how the team was "pre-selected" and all...but there were much better ways to channel that disappointment.
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Butch21
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 19:39:55
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quote: Originally posted by Tribe
quote: Originally posted by bballguy
It's amazing that the same folks that were claiming "daddy ball" from 9u on are now claiming "politics".
Exactly.
This topic comes up all the time on this board and others. I'm usually reserved in my response, because I know how sensitive the issue can be. I've never told this story on a public board, but perhaps it will explain my position.
My son did not make his high school team in his freshman year (neither varsity or even JV). Our family was surprised and very disappointed. I heard from other dads who were asking me "well, what are you going to do?" as if I should complain to the A.D. or the coach or whoever. At the time, I was genuinely concerned that my son was going to hang 'em up for good. So what did I do? I talked to my son, and asked him what he wanted to do. I didn't even consider consoling him by talk of unfair tryouts or politics or anything else outside of his control. What good would that have done? Would he have been motivated to overcome something that was beyond his control? Of course not. His only contact with the high school coach was one question, sent via email: "what do I have to do to make the team next year?" The coach responded with a thorough, honest and accurate appraisal of his skills, and told him what was necessary for him to make the team.
He decided to try harder. He trained. He hit the weights. He worked his tail off. He swallowed his pride and played rec ball for the reps.
He made the JV team the following year. He was called up to varsity and got playing time in the state tournament that same year. He went on to receive All-State, region and county honors the next two years. Next year, he'll be playing D-1 baseball in a good baseball conference with a very nice athletic scholarship.
So yeah, I suppose we could have sat around and complained about how unfair and political his freshman year tryout was, and how the team was "pre-selected" and all...but there were much better ways to channel that disappointment.
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Butch21
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 20:04:37
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quote: Originally posted by BBall123
quote: Originally posted by Tribe
If it makes you and your son feel better to think that he was unfairly cut, benched, dropped in the order, or otherwise disregarded, knock yourself out. We choose not to handle things that way, but to each his own.
By the way, I've never seen a team's top hitters, fielders or pitchers complain about playing time or politics.
I guess you need to get out more, cause you don't see too much do you? If it makes you feel better to think you know what goes on everywhere, you knock yourself out. And no it doesn't make either one of us feel anything but resentment. But its all good now, we moved to a great school with a fair program with a good upstanding man with some character at the helm who holds honest tryouts with fair competition for each spot instead of backroom politics. The situation could not be better for my son and we could not be any happier. I posted my post because it seemed there was another dad going through the same thing we did, but some on here were saying that it does not happen because it didn't happen to them. Sorry, it does happen.
Oh, and by the way, When school started we found that there were 3 other family's that had ran away from the same guy for similar issues. When you have a guy like this who's players hate him, where kids that have played ball their whole life's and have dreams of playing college ball quit the game just to get away from him. Sooner or later it will catch up to this guy, but I wasn't going to let my son be one of his casualties.
So you do things the way you do them, We are very happy with our decision and my son is 100% better in every way for it.
Has this coach been successful? How many of his players have gone on to play in college? Seems like maybe the talent level kept some good players on the bench. My son did not get much playing time this season.....his summer coach (also a HS coach) cannot believe he did not get more mound time. However, our team was successful and the kids ahead of him were getting the job done. Could he have received more time on other teams? Absolutely. Did politics have anything to do with it? I don't think so. He will spend the season getting stronger and adding velocity and get after it next season.
You can be resentful but maybe your son got caught behind some studs and politics had nothing to do with it.
Two sides to every story.... |
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CoachMark
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Posted - 04/28/2014 : 20:52:49
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quote: Originally posted by Butch21
quote: Originally posted by BBall123
quote: Originally posted by Tribe
If it makes you and your son feel better to think that he was unfairly cut, benched, dropped in the order, or otherwise disregarded, knock yourself out. We choose not to handle things that way, but to each his own.
By the way, I've never seen a team's top hitters, fielders or pitchers complain about playing time or politics.
I guess you need to get out more, cause you don't see too much do you? If it makes you feel better to think you know what goes on everywhere, you knock yourself out. And no it doesn't make either one of us feel anything but resentment. But its all good now, we moved to a great school with a fair program with a good upstanding man with some character at the helm who holds honest tryouts with fair competition for each spot instead of backroom politics. The situation could not be better for my son and we could not be any happier. I posted my post because it seemed there was another dad going through the same thing we did, but some on here were saying that it does not happen because it didn't happen to them. Sorry, it does happen.
Oh, and by the way, When school started we found that there were 3 other family's that had ran away from the same guy for similar issues. When you have a guy like this who's players hate him, where kids that have played ball their whole life's and have dreams of playing college ball quit the game just to get away from him. Sooner or later it will catch up to this guy, but I wasn't going to let my son be one of his casualties.
So you do things the way you do them, We are very happy with our decision and my son is 100% better in every way for it.
Has this coach been successful? How many of his players have gone on to play in college? Seems like maybe the talent level kept some good players on the bench. My son did not get much playing time this season.....his summer coach (also a HS coach) cannot believe he did not get more mound time. However, our team was successful and the kids ahead of him were getting the job done. Could he have received more time on other teams? Absolutely. Did politics have anything to do with it? I don't think so. He will spend the season getting stronger and adding velocity and get after it next season.
You can be resentful but maybe your son got caught behind some studs and politics had nothing to do with it.
Two sides to every story....
I'll try to step in for BBall123 here cause you guys are obviously not going to let up. The coach at a particular High School did in fact name the starter at Catcher and Shortstop before tryouts for the next 3 years. He was actually quoted in the paper. Now whether or not those kids are studs or not does not excuse the fact that those two positions were publicly locked down before any other kids had a chance to try out. So it matters not how hard they worked. Now how dumb is that? How hard do you think those 2 kids are going to work knowing they have the job no matter what.
I don't know how good the SS and C 'starters' are for that team, but I do know that BBall123's kid started at C on the Varsity as a Sophomore and batted leadoff. He beat out an incumbent starter at C that plays for a HIGH Major travel team. The new team is in the playoffs. Incidentally, a SS that lives in that previous school's district also made the Varsity at the new school and started as a FR. BOTH those kids that transferred are legit HIGH Div 1 prospects that weren't given an opportunity to compete for a starting position.
I have no idea if it was politics, money, or if the coach is just plain stupid but I do know that there is at least one school where the situation is bad and that school is missing out on some outstanding talent because of their coach. |
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Domingo Ayala
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Posted - 04/29/2014 : 12:26:02
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The man stepped-up and did the right thing to create an opportunity for his kid that deserved a shot. We all know politics play a role to some degree in every aspect. It would be a much better world if everything was merit based and not who you know, but that is not reality. If an opportunity doesn't exist, create one. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 13:06:33
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Like CoachMark, I know both of the kids to which BBall123 refers, including his son. Both are very good players and worthy of competing for a spot on any high school team. I'm also aware of the school they chose to leave or not attend and what is described is accurate. In their case, it was politics or simply a coach who runs his program his way and will live or die with his methods. Regardless, I can certainly understand why the decisions to leave the program were made and recognize that the moves made were in the best interest of the boys and probably the only option for these two players.
To that point, I also believe that their case is the extreme. What most are responding to is that middle area where you'll find many parents looking to lay blame anywhere except on reality, because reality means looking in a mirror and having to make some admissions.
Politics absolutely plays a part in EVERY program out there, even those that have completely fair and open tryouts for every position. It mostly strikes at the middle of the pack down and boils down to players that are nearly equal in talent. Given that you have two or three players where there is no clear differentiation, a coach is left to look at various factors.
Who has supported the program the most? Who has the best team attitude? Who has parents willing to commit and contribute (time and money) to the program? Who has played in the feeder/summer program where the coach may have a better sense of what a player may expect to deliver day in and day out?
There's no denying that every coach has to make some tough decisions when it boils down to players where there is no clear cut advantage of one over another, and politics (relationships, what you do for the program, and all those things outside of talent) cannot be ignored when having to "flip a coin" between who plays and who sits.
I also stand by my previous support of bballman that, in the 80%-90% of the cases, simply blaming "politics" as an excuse and complaining about it won't do anything to improve your sons position. If the situation is extreme such as in BBall123's, which I don't believe that the majority are, you can take the similar extreme measures as he did and leave the program. If its where I believe most lie, and that is in that middle area where it may boil down to what one player offers over another outside of talent, then it's up to the player to work his tail off and earn it so that the political element becomes a moot point and talent prevails.
I'm on my third player in HS now. All three have had different experiences. As I look at each honestly, MOST were pretty much right on with regard to playing time to talent. With the exception of loyalty shown to seniors by the head coach, talent started and played and developing players saw limited innings. But with respect to the depth chart on underclassmen, it was pretty much talent based. Even the kids who made the teams because their parents were big supporters of the program haven't earned playing time because of this. They made the team over other players, no doubt, but once on the team, that has had little bearing. Where talent was on par between players, some of those political factors might reveal themselves in more innings for one player over another, but I didn't see anyone getting an exceptional snub of a far less talented player getting innings. I may be wrong with my percentages, but from what I've seen around here, I think it's pretty accurate.
I agree with pretty much every post in this thread and I really think that most of you do also, everyone is just looking from the perspective of each side of the extreme.
Good luck to all in the playoffs and in future seasons.
Carry on :) |
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GeorgiaPeach
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Posted - 04/29/2014 : 15:05:47
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I also know of BBall123 situation and can confirm that it is accurate. The coach in question at this HS is running off alot of talent. People know of him and want no part of his program. BBall123 did the right thing for his kid, considering all the facts relevant to the case and I applaud him for it. Politics still go on whether we like it or not. I am fortunate where my son goes there are no politics in regards to playing time. The best players will be chosen for the team and the best players will start. You have to wait your turn to start and then you must produce. That is all a dad can ask for, an unbiased opportunity for their kid to compete for a starting spot or a spot on the team. |
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monarch36
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Posted - 04/29/2014 : 16:03:37
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My son played travel ball for years, our experience this year was great. He plays for a 6a high school and is a sophomore. Last year he played 4 games on 9th grade team and then was moved to JV. This year he started as a sophomore on varsity. Many parents kept telling me at the beginning of the season, that my son was one of the " favorites", while their juniors and seniors sons sat. Funny, how my son was coachable, respectful, and hustled hard every play. By the the way, he lead the team in most offensive categories. |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 16:36:58
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So, in regards to BBall123's situation. Can any of you honestly say that politics were involved? It sounds like BBall123's son is a talented ballplayer. I haven't heard anyone say that the guy "crowned" by the coach to play over him is not a talented player as well. Maybe the coach heard of him and saw him play prior to tryouts? Maybe it is wrong that the coach decided he was going to play before tryouts started, but was it politics? Did his dad do something or serve in some capacity that would dictate that the coach made this decision because of the actions of someone other than the player's talent? I really have no idea and am honestly asking a question.
I have said in my earlier posts that usually the suggestion of politics come into play when two players possess similar talent and something leans the coach toward one over the other. That may be the case here. Except instead of two players at the bottom of the heap, it is involving two players at the top of the heap. Like I said, maybe the difference maker was that the coach had heard about or seen the other player play prior to coming to the tryouts. That may not be totally fair, but not necessarily politics.
BBall123, I'm not second guessing your decision to switch schools, but I'm curious. Did your son not make the team, or did he just not get to play the position he wanted? Was he going to have the opportunity to play a position other than his primary position? I have usually found that if a kid can hit and is athletic, the coach will find a place for him to play. I am assuming, from what others have said, this is the case with your son.
Like I said, I'm not questioning anyone's choices, just trying to understand the whole scenario. |
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Tribe
82 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 17:26:14
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We all bring our own perspectives to the table.
How does this coach keep his job? Does he win? Consistently? |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 20:50:59
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Makes sense BBall123. Sounds like the two kids are very comparable and for some unknown, intangible reason, the coach chose to play the other kid over yours. This happens a lot in programs with a lot of talent. Many kids decide to stay and play another position and focus their attention on their primary position on the summer travel team, since that is where the majority of the recruiting goes on. Others decide to leave and find a place to play their preferred position. It really is a personal choice. I'm not convinced this involves politics though.
Sounds like your kid is a good ballplayer. I wish him the best.
With that said, if your son is going to play at the next level, you should ask a lot of questions from the college coach about the opportunities he will have to catch and catch right away. Coaches will often recruit based on athletic ability and hitting and not necessarily based on position. I have seen a number of catchers become corner infielders or outfielders because they have enough catchers or they recruit a new stud catcher, but want the bat in the lineup. If a player is unwilling to be flexible in order to help the team, they won't be on the team very long. I'm not trying to say what you did with your son in this situation is the wrong thing, but just making you aware of what goes on at the next level. The problem with changing schools in college is that there are strict NCAA rules concerning transfers. If you want to transfer within the same division, you have to sit out a year. This is why you will see a lot of transfers from D1 to D2 or D1 or D2 to JUCO. Many players don't really like the coach after they get to the school either. College coaches are notorious for putting on one face for recruiting and are totally different when you are there. Happens all the time. There will be another choice. Do you leave because of this or do you learn to adapt and stick with the situation? Every player will have to make his own decision.
Sounds like for now you did what you think is best for your son. I'm glad your son is doing well at his new school and wish him the best for the future. |
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 04/29/2014 : 21:53:08
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Guys, Good luck with your debating, bashing and insinuating. Some understand what I was trying to say, some refuse to.
We have the State playoffs to go enjoy in 2 days. Good luck to all this summer.
BBALL out |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2014 : 14:42:15
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I saw some politics and anyone that says it doesn't exist in any sport in high school is crazy. Not saying every sport or every school but I can probably find an example at every school. Same goes for Daddy Ball. If you coach your son there is some degree of daddy ball there no matter how hard you try to say there isn't. Maybe it's a little thing like not having him pitch quite as much as some others to save his arm. Maybe it's getting first shot at the jersey # he wants or help pick out the color of the uniform or pick up one of his buddies or even start batting in the top 4 before moving down if he doesn't produce. Volunteering and donating might just keep your son a spot on a travel team another year. Tell me you wouldn't keep the bubble kid that raised a bunch of money, had one of those giant RV's where coaches and parents could hang out. Would you cut the kids whose dad is a major league scout? I saw kids of parents who rubbed elbows with coaches or volunteered for everything get more playing time and or at least more chances than others who just showed up didn't complain and played. What I saw most was some bad coaching. Not every team but as a whole most were not as good as paid travel coaches.
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outlaweagle
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Posted - 05/29/2014 : 07:43:45
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BBall123, great story. Wish I'd encouraged a move with my kid when he was a Sophomore. He's a superior athelete and harder worker and prodcues better numbers than others on the team that never come off the field. You know the type - teachers kids, the good ole boys, and fundraisers kids. He's a senior next year and wants to finish out there.
Also a life lesson here. This same scenario can be translated into real life scenarios after baseball. For instance if you're a top performer at your workplace and keep getting looking over for promotions, raises, etc. It's time to move on to a better company, with a better boss, that doesn't play favorites.
quote: Originally posted by BBall123
Just adding an update to my son's situation. Just left his Varsity baseball banquet, He came home with the Silver Slugger Award and 1st team all region honors as a starting catcher and lead off hitter. He hit .421 and a .505 OBP on the season and .750 and a .800 OBP in the state playoffs. He had a .987 fielding percentage in 27 games and threw out 12 0ut 0f 16 in stolen base attempts.
I said all that to brag just a little
But also and mostly to point out that he would probably be on the bench or on JV at the previous school and playing behind another kid his whole high school career, who I know does not have those numbers .
I KNEW what he could AND WOULD do given a fair chance, and I wasn't about to let some guy with a coaches shirt steal that from him! So like I said, Moving was the right thing for my kid.
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BBall123
395 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2014 : 08:48:54
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As an update to this conversation, and an opportunity for those who wish to respond. And a lesson to those in similar situations as we were.
Just one season later after moving to a new school district in an attempt to find fairness and open competition. We/He has had a fantastic year.
High School Season, Starting Varsity Catcher,1st team all county, 1st team all region, led the county and region in hitting, Teams offensive MVP.
Perfect Game, Ranked the #3 catcher in the state, and the #26 catcher in the nation As a player ranked the #26 overall player in the state and # 207 overall player in the nation. With an overall grade of "9" out of 10. He was also named to the Rawlings Top 50 Prospect list as well as the Perfect Game Southeast Underclassman's Showcase Top Prospect Team.
Right now as a junior, he has 14 D1 Baseball Programs recruiting him, and several D2/D3 schools. We have had "un official" visits to 7 of those schools,2 different visits to 3 of those. As of last night he has verbally committed to a great scholarship offer by a great D1 baseball program and school.
Pretty good improvement from the jv bench in one season LOL!
I firmly believe in my heart, had we not made the move we made none of this would be happening. Not only was his ability to compete being suppressed but his self confidence and love for the game was as well. I believe that scenarios like ours are the reason many players leave the game they love and never achieve their potential. Its not right and I refused to stand by and watch it happen to my son.
I am so thankful that I believed in him enough to do what was necessary to get him out of a situation where he was being suppressed and held back by a guy in a coaches shirt. DONT let it happen to your son!
Let the haters hate, let the "we don't choose to do it that way" guys criticize and throw accusations around. We are so very happy with our decision
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Critical Mass
277 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2014 : 08:04:28
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Congrats on making the right move for your kid. Curious, how does his stats/performance stack up where he was last year vs the other catcher/team? |
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