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easygame
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 Posted - 02/03/2014 : 08:38:46
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| IS THAT THE AMERICAN WAY. COACHES PLAYING H.S BALL IS GREAT FOR KIDS.PARENTS NEED TO LOOK @ MLB DRAFT DAY AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF PLAYERS GETTING DRAFTED. OUR AMERICAN KIDS NEED GRADES TO GET IN COLLEGE . REAL TALK!!!!! |
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rippit
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Posted - 02/03/2014 : 13:50:03
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TRUTH??? You better have grades for LIFE. If you are super stud and think you can coast being a dummy, you should ask any number of instructors out there why they aren't playing in the MLB. Many were injured. Most got cut. Some never bothered with school and didn't get a degree. Those that did are doing okay. Those that didn't? An hourly wage with random hours isn't fun and/or Mommy and Daddy bailing you out or running interference for you might be cute when you are 16 but isn't attractive when you are 30.
The most attractive athlete? The one with skills AND brains AND can articulate. David Pollack comes to mind for some reason as does Tony Gonzalez. Two different but still successful outcomes for two great football players...wish I could think of a baseball example but it's Monday. |
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Mike Corbin
523 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2014 : 19:21:36
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| Having gone through this once and now going through it again. I can tell you the very first question that EVERY coach asks is "how are your grades"? And the players with the better grades have way more schools interested in them. The studs with not such good grades still had interest from schools. But it was pretty limited as those coaches only have 11.7 scholarships to spread around and they have to decide if that player is worth the risk. If that player is ineligible to play then that money has gone to waste for that coach for the season. Grades are so important! And if your not checking your players grades then you should be. These boys need to thought to be good people before being good ball players. At some point they will ALL stop playing ball. So then what are you left with???? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 02/05/2014 : 09:41:47
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Originally posted by Mike Corbin
Having gone through this once and now going through it again. I can tell you the very first question that EVERY coach asks is "how are your grades"? And the players with the better grades have way more schools interested in them. The studs with not such good grades still had interest from schools. But it was pretty limited as those coaches only have 11.7 scholarships to spread around and they have to decide if that player is worth the risk. If that player is ineligible to play then that money has gone to waste for that coach for the season. Grades are so important! And if your not checking your players grades then you should be. These boys need to thought to be good people before being good ball players. At some point they will ALL stop playing ball. So then what are you left with????
In addition to this, players with good grades can qualify for academic assistance/scholarships from the schools which can be used in addition to their athletic scholarship award. If the student is strong academically, they may receive enough to significantly reduce the amount of athletic scholarship needed to get the student a "full ride". This frees that athletic money for coaches to use on less academically gifted students.
So it not only gives the coach a greater likelihood that students will remain academically eligible (btw, once at the school, tutors, mandatory study halls, etc., are included for the student athlete to help with this challenge), it provides coaches MUCH more flexibility with what they are able to purchase with their 11.7 scholarships.
But even beyond that immediate enticement to the coach, rippit is correct and it's the one thing I've stressed with all my boys. You will play your last game at some point. The game can and will be taken away from you at some point. The education is something that can never be taken away. Use one to get the other. Sports may not pay for your school to a significant level, BUT it will open doors to schools that would otherwise have no interest in allowing you in without what you are able to bring to their athletic team. Athletic skills can and will open doors that are otherwise closed.
If parents aren't stressing that importance to their 11, 12, 13 year old children, you're setting them up for disappointment. I know of MANY examples of players with significant talent that would EASILY have played HS ball and strong prospect to play at future levels that never play after being academically ineligible their freshman year of HS. Sad to see that some of these kids never bounce back. Good kids, bad priorities. |
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DecaturDad
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Posted - 02/05/2014 : 12:23:34
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Originally posted by in_the_know
In addition to this, players with good grades can qualify for academic assistance/scholarships from the schools which can be used in addition to their athletic scholarship award. If the student is strong academically, they may receive enough to significantly reduce the amount of athletic scholarship needed to get the student a "full ride". This frees that athletic money for coaches to use on less academically gifted students.
So it not only gives the coach a greater likelihood that students will remain academically eligible (btw, once at the school, tutors, mandatory study halls, etc., are included for the student athlete to help with this challenge), it provides coaches MUCH more flexibility with what they are able to purchase with their 11.7 scholarships.
But even beyond that immediate enticement to the coach, rippit is correct and it's the one thing I've stressed with all my boys. You will play your last game at some point. The game can and will be taken away from you at some point. The education is something that can never be taken away. Use one to get the other. Sports may not pay for your school to a significant level, BUT it will open doors to schools that would otherwise have no interest in allowing you in without what you are able to bring to their athletic team. Athletic skills can and will open doors that are otherwise closed.
If parents aren't stressing that importance to their 11, 12, 13 year old children, you're setting them up for disappointment. I know of MANY examples of players with significant talent that would EASILY have played HS ball and strong prospect to play at future levels that never play after being academically ineligible their freshman year of HS. Sad to see that some of these kids never bounce back. Good kids, bad priorities.
My son attended a prospect camp at UGA this past fall. There was a HS senior there that told him that because of his lower GPA, he was having trouble finding a school that was interested in him. My only expectation from that camp had been to get my son to start thinking about college. That one comment stuck with him and was worth the cost of the entire weekend.
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2014 : 13:58:44
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"You better have grades for LIFE" Grades are important but lets be realistic.
Grades don't matter if you are a super stud player. Bryce Harper could care less about his grades, I know there is only one Bryce Harper every few years or so. But I know plenty of people who had bad grades and are doing really well for themselves in their own businesses. Grades are important if you want to go to college. If you want to do other things maybe not so important. Car Mechanic, Plumber, Bill Gates didn't finish college. Amancio Ortega, Karl Albrecht, Roman Abramovic these are all billionaires.
Just a few other famous people that didnt go to college
Ansel Adams, photographer. Dropped out of high school.
Christina Aguilera, singer, songwriter. High school dropout.
Hans Christian Andersen, short story author, fairy tales.
John Jacob Astor, multimillionaire businessman.
Carl Bernstein, Watergate reporter, Washington Post.
Yogi Berra, baseball player, coach, and manager.
Timonthy Blixseth, billionaire founder of Yellowstone Club.
Daniel Boone, explorer, frontier leader.
Ray Bradbury, science fiction author.
Richard Branson, billionaire founder of Virgin Music.
Sergey Brin, billionaire founder of Google.
Edgar Bronfman Jr., billionaire heir to the Seagram liquor fortune.
John Carmack, cofounder of Id Software.
Andrew Carnegie, industrialist and philanthropist.
Scott Carpenter, astronaut.
John Chancellor, TV journalist and anchorman.
Winston Churchill, British prime minister.
Charles Culpeper, multimillionaire owner and CEO of Coca Cola.
Michael Dell, founder of Dell Computers.
Charles Dickens, bestselling novelist.
Walt Disney — yes, THAT Walt Disney.
George Eastman, multimillionaire inventor and founder of Kodak.
Larry Ellison, billionaire co-founder of Oracle software company.
Debbi Fields, founder of Mrs. Fields Cookies.
Carly Fiorina, CEO, Hewlett-Packard.
Bobby Fischer, chess master.
Henry Ford, billionaire founder of Ford Motor Company.
R. Buckminster Fuller, inventor of the geodesic dome.
Bill Gates, billionaire co-founder of Microsoft.
J. Paul Getty, billionaire oilman.
Amadeo Peter Giannini, multimillionaire founder of Bank of America.
Hyman Golden, multimillionaire cofounder of Snapple.
Barry Goldwater, U.S. senator and presidential candidate.
David Green, billionaire founder of Hobby Lobby.
Joyce C. Hall, founder of Hallmark.
Harold Hamm, billionaire oil wildcatter.
William Randolph Hearst, newspaper publisher.
Peter Jennings, news anchor.
Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Computers and Pixar Animation.
Dean Kamen, multimillionaire inventor of the Segway.
Ray Kroc, multimillionaire founder of McDonald’s.
Tommy Lasorda, baseball manager.
Ralph Lauren, billionaire fashion designer, founder of Polo.
Charles Lindbergh, aviator.
Jack London, bestselling novelist.
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brazilian president.
Mary Lyon, founder of Mount Holyoke College (America’s first women’s college).
John Mackey, founder of Whole Foods.
Steve Madden, shoe designer. |
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jdrew
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 15:34:46
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Let's be realistic here...if you are coaching a college team and you are paid to win are you going to bring in stud players to start for you that might not see the field due to academic reasons? Or will you bring in talented players with higher GPA's that can obtain academic scholarships so you can spread your athletic scholarships around to field more and better depth? 743, your list of who's who of millionaires are only a small (very) % of our overall population. They have done exceptional in their fields but they are a very small % that make it that big just like making it to MLB.
The best advice I can give is if you are an athlete or have an athlete looking to college have a fallback plan: education. Use the same determination and hard work that is put into developing your baseball skills and apply them to the classroom! College coaches LOVE well-rounded athletes: baseball talent on the field and talent in the classroom. COMPETE in both areas and you create better opportunities for yourself in the future! BTW...Bryce Harper according to the SI article had a 3.5 GPA in high school and a 4.0 in the fall of JUCO. |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2014 : 17:12:37
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| I can ramble off a list 10 times that long of local ex baseball studs who didn't study BECAUSE they thought (and their daddies thought) that they too were the next Bryce Harper and guess what? They got hurt, released or had other issues that kept them from realizing the end dream. What are they doing now compared to the guys that put some effort into school and grades? |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2014 : 09:46:18
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| I agree Grades are very important, I just like to always play devils advocate on most posts and I do agree with you guys. |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2014 : 03:34:53
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Originally posted by rippit
I can ramble off a list 10 times that long of local ex baseball studs who didn't study BECAUSE they thought (and their daddies thought) that they too were the next Bryce Harper and guess what? They got hurt, released or had other issues that kept them from realizing the end dream. What are they doing now compared to the guys that put some effort into school and grades?
Either coaching your kid or a group of 15 kids just like your kid..... |
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a1prog
164 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2014 : 13:15:49
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Having been thru the college recruiting process for two kids in two different sports let me reiterate what Mike Corbin noted above; coaches will watch a kid on the field and determine if they have the baseball skills, mental approach and physicality they are looking for. They will talk to the coach first and then the kid. and the first question asked is; How are the grades/test scores? its an absolute guarantee. if the answer to the question doesnt start with 3 (as in 3.0 or better for a gpa) the coach is gonna think twice and/or move on. the magic numbers are 3.0 or better and 1000 or better on the two part sat. i have met plenty of folks who argue this point but they are wrong. i have met with and coordinated with enough college coaches (d1, d2, d3) to know what i am describing above is accurate.
So my advice during the travel ball years, especially b4 high school, is to instill the academic ethic as soon as possible. |
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ATLawman
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Posted - 03/10/2014 : 07:38:21
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| Dude, Daniel Boone? Did they even have school back then? |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2014 : 12:56:23
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I must have meant Dan Boone... LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Boone_%28baseball%29
Back to the 3.0 as the magic number. I think the better you are at your sport the lower that number can be. Stud player 2.8 GPA... he aint moving on.
I bet its even lower in football. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 03/10/2014 : 19:57:15
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Originally posted by 743
I must have meant Dan Boone... LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Boone_%28baseball%29
Back to the 3.0 as the magic number. I think the better you are at your sport the lower that number can be. Stud player 2.8 GPA... he aint moving on.
I bet its even lower in football.
Of course it's lower in football....they get 85 100% scholarships. Baseball is a whole different animal. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2014 : 23:22:31
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Originally posted by 743
I must have meant Dan Boone... LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Boone_%28baseball%29
Back to the 3.0 as the magic number. I think the better you are at your sport the lower that number can be. Stud player 2.8 GPA... he aint moving on.
I bet its even lower in football.
If you meant Dan Boone, he should have gone to college. 4 year career with an 8-13 record and 5.10 ERA. I'm thinking Daniel Boone would would have been a better choice. Great argument against your original post. Just sayin' |
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splendid splinter
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Posted - 03/11/2014 : 15:32:41
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| 743 - I don't know where you came up with that list of people who didn't go to college, but it's flat out wrong. Some of those people may not have gone to college, but a lot of them did. I looked up about 10 people off that list that I was sure would have gone to college, and every one of them did in fact attend (and graduate) from college. Even if you're playing devil's advocate, having a phony list completely discredits you. |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2014 : 10:50:01
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| I guess I should have re stated... Didn't "finish" college, like I did with Bill Gates.. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2014 : 09:03:04
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Originally posted by Spartan4
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Originally posted by rippit
I can ramble off a list 10 times that long of local ex baseball studs who didn't study BECAUSE they thought (and their daddies thought) that they too were the next Bryce Harper and guess what? They got hurt, released or had other issues that kept them from realizing the end dream. What are they doing now compared to the guys that put some effort into school and grades?
Either coaching your kid or a group of 15 kids just like your kid.....
Or working for my kid. jkjkjk
Seriously, we weren't worried about the eligibility rules, anything under a 3.0 and sports (and other extracurricular activities) got sidelined until it was back above. Our own Mendoza line if you will. |
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KIDS PLAYING TRAVEL BALL WITH BAD GRADE.
