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bballman
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 Posted - 08/12/2012 : 20:35:49
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Originally posted by bball2000
REALLY, 11 u being scouted??? Out of all the elite games, CABA, and Orlando and Cooperstown I have yet to see one 11 year old or 12 year old that would be marked for MLB. If a kid does have the ability to be developed, he will be burned out before he is old enough for it to count if he plays on some of these teams.
Don't like to speak for others, but I'm pretty sure coach isn't talking about 11 or 12 year olds. Maybe he should have said older ages instead of higher levels. And scouts ARE looking for the more athletic players. Fundamentals do matter, but they want athletic players with fundamentals - unless you can mash with power, or throw 95+. It is so competitive to get to play college after HS that you better have something special to stand out or you will just be another face in the crowd. Kind of like people are saying about the ECB tryouts. |
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LilBigTown
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 11:21:04
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| 1 in 4500 kids go pro... do the math... wonder what percentage play div. 1 college and how many go play high school .... If we knew an did the math we would understand alot more about 12u tryouts. I dont believe its about who you know but more about who can play. Teams and especially coaches are looking for baseball players at any age any level. I heard ol wise man say "You cant make chicken salad out of chicken#*%@% you have real chicken" LOL Sometime we over think it just a little;) |
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C. MORTON
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 11:40:41
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| Most coaches will go with a player they have seen play before they go with one they haven't if they have the same skill set. So if you can play and the coach knows you, you may have the upper hand of an unknow player. |
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baserunner
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 11:59:37
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Originally posted by in_the_know
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Originally posted by bbmom2
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
The key thing to going to the EC tryout or any others, without having any prior deal worked out, is you need to be able to differentiate yourself from the other players. Don't get stuck in the middle of a pack of players or you run the risk of getting looked over. I have seen players that were Major level players get looked over because they did not show themselves to the upper teams, and the lower teams didn't think they had a chance at them anyway. It's all about marketing yourself. It is hard to explain to kids but I have seen it too many times. With 150 kids at a tryout, it's hard for 10-15 coaches to see what players "Could" do which is why you have to show what you "Can" do.
Can you explain this - how do players make themselves standout when there are 150 kids on the field? I'm assuming you aren't talking about jumping up and down when they make a play or catch a ball. LOL! One would hope talent and mechanics would stand up but that is not necessarily the case. I've often wondered this - and this applies not only to the ECB tryouts but really to life... we've all seen the okay player, sales person, employee etc. get the position, job, order, etc when there were far better people. Would really like to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!
Easy, he sprints when he's heading to and from his stations, not jogging with the pack. He's attentive when the coach is giving instruction, making eye contact and acknowledging through body language or verbally that he's understood, not hanging in the back row with last season's team mates, half listening. He's alert, with strong and confident body language. If he makes a mistake, his body language stays positive, no slumping shoulders and drooping head. If he boots one in his rotation, he sprints back into position and asks for another, whether it's given or not. If the coach tells him he took the wrong angle to a ball or rounding a base, he doesn't take the exact same angle during round 2.
Basically, by showing the coach that he hustles, wants to be there to play baseball, is coachable and responds to instruction, he'll stand out. Go watch some major 17u/18u tryouts. The talent and mechanics difference are nearly negligible. The intangibles and nuances are what makes one standout in that crowd. Start teaching that to these youngsters now and it will become their nature by that time (or they'll have given the game up because they really didn't love it to begin with).
If none of this works for you, go watch 3-time first rounder Domingo Ayala show you how to play catch in front of a scout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9DeqaR4PO8
You are spot on when it comes to the intangibles in_the_know. Body language, attitude, confidence, and focus can be spotted a mile away. Any decent coach should see this.
The other things that make you stand out are the objective measures. If you boy is bigger and stronger than everyone else it's impossible for coaches not to notice. It doesn't gaurantee you a spot but most will give you a second look. Just make sure he's fit and his mechanics are good.
Every coach also gets a time for your kid in the 60. Trust me, if your kid is faster than 90% of the boys out there he will definitely get noticed. No coach is going to let a kid like that slip away, especially at the older ages.
For the rest of us it's about the fundamentals, and who you know. Good luck out there during the "silly season". |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 12:20:45
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Originally posted by LilBigTown
1 in 4500 kids go pro... do the math... wonder what percentage play div. 1 college and how many go play high school .... If we knew an did the math we would understand alot more about 12u tryouts. I dont believe its about who you know but more about who can play. Teams and especially coaches are looking for baseball players at any age any level. I heard ol wise man say "You cant make chicken salad out of chicken#*%@% you have real chicken" LOL Sometime we over think it just a little;)
Here is a link to an article on the numbers of players advancing from one level to the next. About 5% of HS seniors will go on to play college baseball for an NCAA institution. I'm guessing this does not include NAIA or JUCO. The numbers are very interesting. Should spur some discussion.
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/probability.htm
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LilBigTown
115 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 14:53:57
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| bballman: Awesome, numbers rarely lie unless your talking politics and the current unemployment rate. Every parent should be handed a copy at tryouts! |
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baseballcoach14u
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 14:56:22
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by bball2000
REALLY, 11 u being scouted??? Out of all the elite games, CABA, and Orlando and Cooperstown I have yet to see one 11 year old or 12 year old that would be marked for MLB. If a kid does have the ability to be developed, he will be burned out before he is old enough for it to count if he plays on some of these teams.
Don't like to speak for others, but I'm pretty sure coach isn't talking about 11 or 12 year olds. Maybe he should have said older ages instead of higher levels. And scouts ARE looking for the more athletic players. Fundamentals do matter, but they want athletic players with fundamentals - unless you can mash with power, or throw 95+. It is so competitive to get to play college after HS that you better have something special to stand out or you will just be another face in the crowd. Kind of like people are saying about the ECB tryouts.
I didn't even think that post was directed toward me as I said higher levels. I mean college and up. A Deion Sanders type athlete has a much better shot at getting drafted than a kid with the best fundamentals around who has taken a million lessons that can't run fast or have a great arm. That is great for players below College but only gets you so far. If you think your son is going to be a professional he better be able to burn, and have a cannon. |
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4bagger
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 17:34:40
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A couple of missing stats in their list at hsbaseballweb:
1. Percentage of MLB drafted players who have never played competitive baseball before being drafted- 0.0001% (Just in case there is 1 or 2).
2. Percentage of High School and College players drafted by MLB after quitting the game because they read the other stats saying they had 0.5% chance of being drafted- 0.00%.
Just saying- Odds are low to make the Majors and we all know that. But the odds are zero if you never try. And there is nothing wrong with covering all your bases (lessons, getting on as competitive team as possible, playing the most competitive teams possible, etc) so you at least have a 0.5% chance.
Think of all the great players who would never had played if they dwelled on the fact they had a 99.5% chance of not making it.
Everyone playing competitve ball--- Go for your dreams and the numbers be ****ed! |
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funnyhop
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 19:24:19
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Originally posted by bballman
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Originally posted by bball2000
REALLY, 11 u being scouted??? Out of all the elite games, CABA, and Orlando and Cooperstown I have yet to see one 11 year old or 12 year old that would be marked for MLB. If a kid does have the ability to be developed, he will be burned out before he is old enough for it to count if he plays on some of these teams.
Don't like to speak for others, but I'm pretty sure coach isn't talking about 11 or 12 year olds. Maybe he should have said older ages instead of higher levels. And scouts ARE looking for the more athletic players. Fundamentals do matter, but they want athletic players with fundamentals - unless you can mash with power, or throw 95+. It is so competitive to get to play college after HS that you better have something special to stand out or you will just be another face in the crowd. Kind of like people are saying about the ECB tryouts.
And, I wonder how many kids with cinderblocks for brains get picked up by institutions of higher learning?
Give me a kid who can mash and throw 95 and he may end up in class A ball. Give me a kid who can play the game and has high highschool grades (not B's and C's mind you) and they will always beat out the meathead.............in life and in baseball.
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bball2000
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Posted - 08/13/2012 : 20:59:34
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| Good grades, good education always first. You have to have a career to fall back on if you are not in the 0.5% who make it. I know a lot of the guys who played MLB for a few years and then it was over. I guess that is why we see so many professional academys popping up. You have to make a living and if all you know is baseball, you better market yourself well and hope someone will pay for your services. |
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bballman
1432 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2012 : 21:07:04
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| By all means, the dream should stay alive. My son still has the dream and I still have it for him. In the meantime, I think a big part of what we need to do as parents is to keep the game a game. Help keep things fun for the kids. The dream will end long before they want it to for most. When that happens, I think we all want to be able to look back on the time we spent together as something fun. The dream must be the kid's. To keep that dream alive, it's not just the work, but the love of the game. I know we all want the same thing. Just think about that the next time you jump all over your son for a mistake, or criticize another kid for playing over your son. Keep the politics out of the game. Work on the fundamentals, but let the kids have fun and enjoy playing the "game". When it comes down to it, that, more than anything will keep the dream alive. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2012 : 08:10:29
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Originally posted by bballman
By all means, the dream should stay alive. My son still has the dream and I still have it for him. In the meantime, I think a big part of what we need to do as parents is to keep the game a game. Help keep things fun for the kids. The dream will end long before they want it to for most. When that happens, I think we all want to be able to look back on the time we spent together as something fun. The dream must be the kid's. To keep that dream alive, it's not just the work, but the love of the game. I know we all want the same thing. Just think about that the next time you jump all over your son for a mistake, or criticize another kid for playing over your son. Keep the politics out of the game. Work on the fundamentals, but let the kids have fun and enjoy playing the "game". When it comes down to it, that, more than anything will keep the dream alive.
Perfect.
When I was still coaching his 13U team had a really challenging stretch. I was railing about a particularly bad loss on the way home. Not getting on him so much as the team, though he contributed.
I could tell by his body language and the look on his face that he was miserable.
That day I let my foot off the gas. Told the team the next day to put it behind us and let's just worry about getting better and enjoying the rest of the year. Salvaged the last 15-20 games when it could have be a disaster.
4 years later he is still having fun, playing for HS and a summer team that he enjoys. Said last week, "I hope we can get out to the park some like we usually do in the Fall."
I'm in. But I am going to have to get shin guards and a cup. His heater is a little faster than it was when he was 12. :) |
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Scorpions16U
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Posted - 08/15/2012 : 11:55:39
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Originally posted by Dr. Old School
The hard part about tryouts with that many kids is staying engaged. Players take their turn at a drill, then have to wait for others. There are a couple of things around that which can set you apart.
1) Don't be the last one in line to do the drills. Get toward the front of the line, pay attention, and be ready to go. This shows that you want to be there and are serious about the game.
2) Don't stand around talking to your buddies all the time and not be ready to go when it is your turn. It can get boring, especially for younger kids, but you don't want to be standing around talking every time the coaches see you.
3) Hustle in and out from breaks, and from station to station.
4) If the coaches need someone to do something extra, like take throws at a bag, or shag some balls, jump in. It shows willingness to do whatever is needed.
5) Make sure to use good fundamentals when showing your skills. Don't be slow to the play, but also don't try to over-do it and throw the ball into the stands. Show that you are a dependable resource at that position.
6) Make sure you are in the right spot for the play. If you are the cut-off man, or the back-up man, be where you are supposed to be, and hustle getting there.
If you don't want to do these things, then just Hit the ball further, field better, throw harder, and pitch better. If so, steps 1-6 don't matter. 
WELL SAID!! |
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CRBM13
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 00:30:17
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My son had a strong try out both days, hustled...lefty in a group if righty players...but still have heard anything...we are on pins and needles...I don't want to mess anything up for by calling ECB to check on his status....should we give up since we have not heard anything...we are from out of state...but are more than willing to commit our all...he's been to winter workouts ...but we are still learning ECB
"Protocol/ways of handling" tryouts...this waiting is agony! We knew he would not make the top three teams ( have friends that prepared us how that all worked) but he did really well, surely he made some team?????? Info appreciated .. |
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Goin Deep
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 08:51:58
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If you have not had contact with any coaches by now, then you probably wont. You have to put yourself out there, ask for a private workout. The tryouts is not where you make a team for the most part. It is getting in front of the coaches in a smaller setting. Call the coach of the team your son wants to play for and get a workout. By the way, what age group is your son in?quote:
Originally posted by CRBM13
My son had a strong try out both days, hustled...lefty in a group if righty players...but still have heard anything...we are on pins and needles...I don't want to mess anything up for by calling ECB to check on his status....should we give up since we have not heard anything...we are from out of state...but are more than willing to commit our all...he's been to winter workouts ...but we are still learning ECB
"Protocol/ways of handling" tryouts...this waiting is agony! We knew he would not make the top three teams ( have friends that prepared us how that all worked) but he did really well, surely he made some team?????? Info appreciated ..
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agent21
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 11:28:51
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| CRBM13 Welcome to the ECB scam -- we were in the same boat last year. Unbelievable that ECB would not have some procedure via e-mail or otherwise to inform you about status and inform you in advance of the possibility of not making a team at all. That is fine as long as you know it going in. BTW, my son is and has been consistently on AAA/Major teams. We found a great non-ECB fit. |
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CRBM13
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 20:38:38
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He is 15... (16 in November) and we live in NE Alabama...He has played for a couple of teams in Birmingham over the years...its the same distance for us to come to ECB...and why not get the best training if you are willing to mak the committment...He has a friend on an older team who told us it may be up to 2 weeks before we hear...Any help/info is appreciated....
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Originally posted by Goin Deep
If you have not had contact with any coaches by now, then you probably wont. You have to put yourself out there, ask for a private workout. The tryouts is not where you make a team for the most part. It is getting in front of the coaches in a smaller setting. Call the coach of the team your son wants to play for and get a workout. By the way, what age group is your son in?quote:
Originally posted by CRBM13
My son had a strong try out both days, hustled...lefty in a group if righty players...but still have heard anything...we are on pins and needles...I don't want to mess anything up for by calling ECB to check on his status....should we give up since we have not heard anything...we are from out of state...but are more than willing to commit our all...he's been to winter workouts ...but we are still learning ECB
"Protocol/ways of handling" tryouts...this waiting is agony! We knew he would not make the top three teams ( have friends that prepared us how that all worked) but he did really well, surely he made some team?????? Info appreciated ..
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CRBM13
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 20:43:11
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Any info appreciated...He is just so committed to playing baseball period! He has a great attitude (not jut saying that because I am his mom)...I have been told by many coaches, several pro's an members of ECB staff how "coachable" and natural his ability is...so yes, I agree, ECB should have been more up-front with how this whole try-out thing works...we have waited a year for this...would have called for private try-out if we have known...
Wow...you learn everyday I guess:)
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Originally posted by agent21
CRBM13 Welcome to the ECB scam -- we were in the same boat last year. Unbelievable that ECB would not have some procedure via e-mail or otherwise to inform you about status and inform you in advance of the possibility of not making a team at all. That is fine as long as you know it going in. BTW, my son is and has been consistently on AAA/Major teams. We found a great non-ECB fit.
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throwaway
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 21:47:15
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| Look at the forums for high school age teams that need players. Get the contact info for the 16u ECB team coaches and send them an email. Many teams hold a spot or two so let them know you are interested in playing and see if they want a closer look at him. Worth a try at least. |
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Dr. Old School
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 08:59:08
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CRBM13,
Did teams talk to him at the tryouts? If so, I would reach out to those teams to see if they were interested. Sitting back and waiting is not the thing to do at this time. That will only lead to getting dropped through the cracks.
One other post mentioned looking at the High School section for teams still needing players. This is a good idea as well.
If you don't hear from someone right after the tryouts, that means no one has you on their short list. Your next opportunity to get picked up by one of the teams is during the draft when they go through each player on the registration list to determine which team they have committed to. When they come to a name on the list that no one has picked up, they look to see who still needs someone. That may or may not be a good fit for you. If you are pro-active and reach out to some of these teams that still need players, ahead of the draft, at least you get to see whether that is a good fit for you or not, and they get to see him. I know this is a learning experience and I agree that there should be a better communication process. It would not take a lot to make the process better. It would just take someone owning it. |
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agent21
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 10:18:01
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| Dr. -- are you saying that every player who attends tryouts will be drafted onto a team, even if it is a start-up, low level team? We never heard a word via phone or e-mail from anyone last year -- after ponying up the $$ and spending 2 full days in the blazing son. Makes me wonder if his old coach had him "locked up" then never called. Trust me, he is a AAA/Major player and has been for the past 3 years. We are happy so all's well that ends well. Just think it would benefit others to know possible outcomes. |
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Newbie BB Mom
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 11:10:54
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This topic was discussed last year at about this time. Thought I'd post the link for those who are interested:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17235
Dr. Old School, do you know whether the daft has happened yet this year? I'm just wondering when ECB's team page on their website will switch to the new year and the teams will announce their new rosters. |
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Dr. Old School
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Posted - 08/17/2012 : 12:45:08
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agent21,
No I am not saying that every player will be drafted, but every player does get brought up in the draft asking who has chosen them. If no one says anything, Guerry, or whoever is running the draft will say "Ok,who still needs players? Why don't you take this kid?" If no one takes them, then they want to know why in case the parents call and want to know. They need information to provide back.
Whether you like Guerry or not, his objective has always been to offer a place for every kid that comes over to play. Even if that means having 20 players on a team. He would expect the coaches to manage around that. Now where the conflict comes is that many coaches don't want to carry that many because it requires them to "Manage" playing time, which is work and does not allow you to always just keep your best players in there. That is where the gap comes in.
As for this year's draft, I am not sure if it has happened. If it has not, it should be very soon. I would have expected it to have been this week. |
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Dr. Old School
314 Posts |
Posted - 08/17/2012 : 12:57:27
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CRBM13,
Don't feel like you are asking for too much on here. Regardless of what people feel this board is for, it is most for helping parents with this kind of stuff. I would have to say Stan would agree with that.
At this point, I don't think you are in a "Stepping on anyone's toes" situation. If you reach out to a team and someone else thinks they have your son, that team will typically say "Well, I thought XXXXX team had him on their list?" Then you know who to reach out to next.
If I were you, I would go to this one tomorrow:
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24204
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I would reach out to Jim Merkling, jimmerkling@ecindians.com, http://www.ecindians.com to see what the status of the 16U Indians is.
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You can also send an e-mail to Guerry at: eastcobbgb@aol.com and ask if he knows which team may have interest in your son after the tryouts.
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