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Working scoreboard
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 Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:07:04
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| I need help understanding a balk. If a pitcher toes the rubber and after coming set and starts his motion pulls the ball out of his glove with throwing hand and then takes the ball back to the pocket of the glove and then throws is this a balk or not? |
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 15:42:54
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Are you talking about from the Stretch?
Has to be a balk. Once you come set and move how can the ball leave your glove and come back, once it leave the glove it better be pitched or you better step off or throw to first. If no runners are on base then there should be no penalty and no balk called. |
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peashooter
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 16:13:01
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If you are talking about padding the glove during the throwing motion...I would say no balk. Once you lift your leg and begin throwing home, you should be able to pam pam the glove with the ball. I could be wrong.
Regardless, don't let kids pitch that way....STOP IT NOW! |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 16:19:18
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Couple of questions. First, I have to assume there's a runner on base. So after he has come set and starts his motion and pulls the ball out of his glove as you state above, does he STOP his motion when he returns the ball to the glove or does he continue the motion, with a kind of double pump, returning the ball to the glove, then removing it to pitch? If it's the latter, and it's his consistent (i.e., he does it that way every time), then it's probably not a balk since he's not doing anything to deceive the runner. If he comes set, starts his motion, then stops and starts again, it's a balk.
If he comes set and breaks his hands before beginning his motion, then it's a balk, but if he breaks his hands DURING his delivery, and returns to the glove and breaks his hands again, not sure there's any rule against it as long as it's his normal delivery.
Of course, all this would be subject to the interpretation of the umpire, but if his normal delivery to the plate has him double pumping and is not deceiving the runner in any way, probably not a balk. |
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Working scoreboard
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 20:15:50
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| I know it sounds strange but this kid was from the stretch. He would pull remove the ball from glove while set then put it behind his back then back to the glove then his leg goes up then goes thru throwing motion. I was under the Impression this was a balk. Yes runners were on. |
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AllStar
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Posted - 07/09/2012 : 23:15:27
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Originally posted by Working scoreboard
I know it sounds strange but this kid was from the stretch. He would pull remove the ball from glove while set then put it behind his back then back to the glove then his leg goes up then goes thru throwing motion. I was under the Impression this was a balk. Yes runners were on.
That is a balk. |
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christheump
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 08:53:52
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Couple of questions. First, I have to assume there's a runner on base. So after he has come set and starts his motion and pulls the ball out of his glove as you state above, does he STOP his motion when he returns the ball to the glove or does he continue the motion, with a kind of double pump, returning the ball to the glove, then removing it to pitch? If it's the latter, and it's his consistent (i.e., he does it that way every time), then it's probably not a balk since he's not doing anything to deceive the runner. If he comes set, starts his motion, then stops and starts again, it's a balk.
If he comes set and breaks his hands before beginning his motion, then it's a balk, but if he breaks his hands DURING his delivery, and returns to the glove and breaks his hands again, not sure there's any rule against it as long as it's his normal delivery.
Of course, all this would be subject to the interpretation of the umpire, but if his normal delivery to the plate has him double pumping and is not deceiving the runner in any way, probably not a balk.
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 07/10/2012 : 22:24:42
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| I stand corrected. Ryan Cook in tonight's all-star game did exactly what you described. |
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christheump
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 08:12:57
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| To this day I still swear Tim Hudson balks every time when he pitches. He looks like he comes set with his glove and ball away from his waist and then he brings it in to his waist for what looks to be a double set....never gets called. |
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oldschooldad
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 11:17:43
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Originally posted by christheump
To this day I still swear Tim Hudson balks every time when he pitches. He looks like he comes set with his glove and ball away from his waist and then he brings it in to his waist for what looks to be a double set....never gets called.
isnt a key to calling a balk or not if the pitcher does something different than normal? if Hudson ALWAYS does the same thing, he is not decieving the runner. |
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bballman
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 12:34:17
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| Yeah, but the question is, how can you tell if it is something he does everytime the 1st time he does it? Do you let it slide at first to see if he does it everytime? Or do you call it the 1st time he does it? |
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oldschooldad
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 13:44:37
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Originally posted by bballman
Yeah, but the question is, how can you tell if it is something he does everytime the 1st time he does it? Do you let it slide at first to see if he does it everytime? Or do you call it the 1st time he does it?
does he do it during warm- ups? Blue should be watching warm up pitches. If the kid has an abnormal or unique delivery, isnt the coach's job to let the umpire know AHEAD of time. show the umpire what his normal motion before the inning or before the game.
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Edited by - oldschooldad on 07/11/2012 13:52:03 |
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Balk clarification
