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FourSeamDawg
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 Posted - 06/07/2012 : 12:16:08
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| During a spin move to second on a pick off attempt (right handed pitcher), you can step back and spin or jump to spin to make the throw. My question I have is with the right foot that is on the rubber. Can you make an actual step forward with the right foot towards home plate as he starts the move to second? |
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excoach12
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 08:49:13
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Good question 4seam.
We have had this debate among our coaches about disengaging the rubber during a pickoff.
Tim Wakefield would take a jab step forward with his right foot, leaving the left foot planted, as his way of disengaging the rubber during a pick off and was never called for a balk.
I am interested to see what the umps on here say.............. |
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coachtony
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 10:59:50
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Actually, if I am reading this right I got a BALK.
OBR 8.01 (b):
From such Set Position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher’s plate with his pivot foot.
--Coach "not Umpire" T |
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db1966
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 21:14:25
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| Think of it this way...if on a move to first a pitcher disengages the rubber by moving his right foot first in a motion parallel to the rubber it is not a balk. "Balks" are 1. any motion meant to deceive a runner and 2. called at the discretion of the umpire. For me, if the pitcher steps towards the plate with either foot on a pickoff move to 2nd it is a balk. The view of the runner from 2nd is different than their view from first or 3rd. Runner at 2nd, a motion toward home commits the pitcher to deliver a pitch. |
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db1966
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Posted - 06/08/2012 : 21:23:05
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So would call the balk, even on Tim Wakefield!
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2012 : 08:29:52
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| No you can not...Balk. |
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TOPDOG
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Posted - 06/11/2012 : 11:33:49
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"think of it this way...if on a move to first a pitcher disengages the rubber by moving his right foot parallel to the rubber it is not a balk." Really??? what if he does this and doesn't make a throw to first? it is a balk then isn't it ? The way i read it is if you do not disengae by stepping off of the rubber backward you must make a throw to first base.quote:
Originally posted by db1966
Think of it this way...if on a move to first a pitcher disengages the rubber by moving his right foot first in a motion parallel to the rubber it is not a balk. "Balks" are 1. any motion meant to deceive a runner and 2. called at the discretion of the umpire. For me, if the pitcher steps towards the plate with either foot on a pickoff move to 2nd it is a balk. The view of the runner from 2nd is different than their view from first or 3rd. Runner at 2nd, a motion toward home commits the pitcher to deliver a pitch.
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F2202
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Posted - 06/16/2012 : 12:48:25
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It's not a balk. It's also not considered disengaging the rubber. In the first base move if the pitchers pivot foot steps parallel off the rubber then he has to throw the baseball.
Coach Tony you've seen this move to second a thousand times. Even during a jump move his pivot foot is likely going to land towards home. The question is does the non-pivot foot gain distance and direction towards the base the pitcher is attempting a pick off to. |
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christheump
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Posted - 06/16/2012 : 19:39:42
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| F2202 I have to respectfully disagree with you. |
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coachtony
236 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2012 : 22:04:46
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F2202, is it possible that we are confusing which foot is the pivot foot? I am assuming that "the move" you are talking about to 2B is the one where the pivot foot stays connected to the rubber until the free foot crosses over and lands behind the rubber towards 2B, right?
In the original question, I still have balk.
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travel ball
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Posted - 06/20/2012 : 12:43:39
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| On a spin move to 2nd base a rhp can take a jab step to home with right foot and spin to his left side,he then can throw or fake, no balk. |
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stick that stirrs the pot
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Posted - 06/20/2012 : 16:02:28
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after coming set, or before coming set, or both? also, what rule justifies this move? quote:
Originally posted by travel ball
On a spin move to 2nd base a rhp can take a jab step to home with right foot and spin to his left side,he then can throw or fake, no balk.
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change up
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 11:33:58
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| If the pro can do with all umpires eyes on them ,one of them would call balk ,so there must be some truth to it. (just my 2cents). |
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christheump
351 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 13:46:20
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| I've never seen a mlb pitcher step forward towards home plate with their pivot foot, and then spin around and throw to second. |
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change up
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 07:01:10
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| Here two that have a good spin move to 2nd base Josh Tomlin/AJ Burnett. |
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F2202
63 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2012 : 13:46:20
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| The pivot foot is the foot touching the rubber. I guess I didn't explain this well enough. The pitcher cannot take two separate steps. In a righty jump move to second, where his left shoulder turns towards first, his right foot is not going to land on the backside of the rubber. |
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christheump
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Posted - 06/26/2012 : 15:10:07
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quote:
Originally posted by F2202
The pivot foot is the foot touching the rubber. I guess I didn't explain this well enough. The pitcher cannot take two separate steps. In a righty jump move to second, where his left shoulder turns towards first, his right foot is not going to land on the backside of the rubber.
which is why I said it was a balk in this case. The OP stated the pitcher stepped forward towards home with his pivot foot, and in my opinion is different than the the jump spin move. |
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Pick off at 2nd
