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nastycurve
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 Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:01:46
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Was wondering if anyone had any input on what a head coach of a travel team should be paid for their time/knowledge. Looking for input from 11u-15u based on two times a week practice and 10-12 tournaments.
All input is appreciated.
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 14:52:01
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Not to offend anyone, but if there is a coach worth paying.... he is not coaching 11-15 year olds....seriously people save your money (put it in an education trust fund)..
Find a dad with a brain and he will do fine for the love of the game...
Diamond Bear coaches "3 bums with brains" |
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rippit
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 16:14:50
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Originally posted by T13
Not to offend anyone, but if there is a coach worth paying.... he is not coaching 11-15 year olds....seriously people save your money (put it in an education trust fund)..
Find a dad with a brain and he will do fine for the love of the game...
Diamond Bear coaches "3 bums with brains"
Sorry but I disagree. There are some great young coaches with pro experience and experience in teaching hitting and pitching. These guys may be in a bit of a transition finishing a degree etc. There is nothing wrong with having an impartial head coach running games and practices.
Likewise, not all Dad coaches have baseball brains. Dome have good intentions, some are obviously only out there for the benefit if their child. In our experience, I can name only TWO coaches in 10 years that were unpaid and cared more about the team, it's players and the development of each player more than just being a figure head with a kid on the field. I have tons of respect for those guys!! |
Edited by - rippit on 02/12/2012 17:08:01 |
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baseballRus
126 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 16:17:56
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Originally posted by T13
Not to offend anyone, but if there is a coach worth paying.... he is not coaching 11-15 year olds....seriously people save your money (put it in an education trust fund)..
Find a dad with a brain and he will do fine for the love of the game...
Diamond Bear coaches "3 bums with brains"
AGREE x10!! I know so many great coaches who do it just to teach the kids. |
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AA17Dad
211 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 18:07:33
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| $4000.00 to $6000.00 Hotels and meals may or may not be included but if he is doing a good job and you want him to stick around the team probably should pick up the out of town hotel and meals. This is assuming he does not have a kid on the team....in that case $0. |
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klhmlh
42 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 18:54:02
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| 16u around 5-7 k |
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Spartan4
913 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 20:47:14
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| Sounds about right....I couldn't disagree more about a paid coach tho. We have had one for about 2 months now and I cannot believe the difference in our boys. Not only their skills but acting like a team and the attitudes and work ethic. Not saying their aren't awesome dad coaches out there but we would have been much more successful last season, not just our record but our overall skill level. |
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biged
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 20:52:16
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Just talked to a pro who gave up on baseball. He was a kid who choose going pro rather than college. He was selected to a 'a' level as a pithcer. He said that he was essentially thrown in with a team full of South American young men who spoke no English. They played ball every day for 8 hrs. When not playing ball they traveled. They slept 4 or more to a room every night. But the most ironic thing he got from this experience is that these young Latin men were very very raw. They were selected to play because of physical ability. So, to make a long story longer, it really doesn't matter who the coach is or wether or not they are paid for. What matters is pure athletic ability, power, quickness, foot speed, and bat speed.
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Spartan4
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 22:25:21
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| I only know what I have seen with my own eyes.....Certainly scouts take chances on kids who are ultra physical or can throw 99 but can't hit the broadside of a barn...Many coaches say things like "can't coach 7ft tall" and one scout last season at EC said that you can teach someone who throws 100 to find a breaking pitch, but you can't teach someone who throws 80 to throw 95....Take it how you want...But IMO baseball isn't exactly an easy game you can just pick up in a month or two(I know there are exceptions) and many players train their whole lives and never even get a look...I would like to to see some data on how many players with success rates(success would be college at a minimum) of less than 3-5 years experience vs. players with 5+ years of experience. Just a hunch but I would guess the experienced stud player is a take over the physical specimen with no clue what is going on... |
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 13:29:50
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Originally posted by biged
Just talked to a pro who gave up on baseball. He was a kid who choose going pro rather than college. He was selected to a 'a' level as a pithcer. He said that he was essentially thrown in with a team full of South American young men who spoke no English. They played ball every day for 8 hrs. When not playing ball they traveled. They slept 4 or more to a room every night. But the most ironic thing he got from this experience is that these young Latin men were very very raw. They were selected to play because of physical ability. So, to make a long story longer, it really doesn't matter who the coach is or wether or not they are paid for. What matters is pure athletic ability, power, quickness, foot speed, and bat speed.
HAHA, you didn't talk to me and I agree 100% with whomever you talked to. Those who disagree didn't play pro ball, or they didn't move from rookie ball up to AA or higher.
Spend all of you money on plyometrics (spelling), strength training, batspeed, and arm strength (JOBES exercises will do wonders for velocity).
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 13:31:53
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Originally posted by Spartan4
I only know what I have seen with my own eyes.....Certainly scouts take chances on kids who are ultra physical or can throw 99 but can't hit the broadside of a barn...Many coaches say things like "can't coach 7ft tall" and one scout last season at EC said that you can teach someone who throws 100 to find a breaking pitch, but you can't teach someone who throws 80 to throw 95....Take it how you want...But IMO baseball isn't exactly an easy game you can just pick up in a month or two(I know there are exceptions) and many players train their whole lives and never even get a look...I would like to to see some data on how many players with success rates(success would be college at a minimum) of less than 3-5 years experience vs. players with 5+ years of experience. Just a hunch but I would guess the experienced stud player is a take over the physical specimen with no clue what is going on...
You may want to tell your scout friend to find a new job. gaining 15mph on a fastball versus teaching a kid to throw a proper changeup or slurve (worst case) are not even in the same universe. |
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in_the_know
985 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 15:50:07
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I've been reading this thread and find it very interesting. Most want to disagree with peashooter (who has been further in pro ball than 99% of us posting) and others who agree with him. I wanted to as well because it doesn't support what we want to believe and what we've been doing for and with our sons. The cold hard truth is that all the hard work and fundamentals in the world will barely help the player who tops out at 5'6" or the 6'2" pitcher who can't top 82 mph. There are exceptions, but there is a reason that they're called exceptions.
I think it's great that we all live in such a baseball rich community with some of the best teachers and facilities within 30-40 minutes of our homes. We're lucky. And we should take advantage to give our kids every opportunity to take advantage of this within each of our means. But do so with perspective. If your kid is playing AAA today and HIS goal is to play major, work to help him achieve that. If the goal is to make his HS team, work to get there. If it is to start varsity, work to achieve that. If he has the God given skills to play beyond, work to get there. Along the way, I bet that our sons will realize the value in working to achieve something. That lesson will transcend anything learned about arm slot or keeping weight back.
And don't forget, if your kid is one of those with the God given talent to be blessed with 90+ pitching speed or lightning fast bat speed, then they'll be ahead of the physical specimens with the same talent when they reach the majors and just might play in their first All-Star game or World Series a few years ahead of the others.
As to who's teaching our kids, pick what works best for you. Heard that one a thousand times on this forum and it rings true today. Just like in school. You'll find kids that excel under one particular teacher and others that don't under the same teacher. We're all unique and respond in different ways. Pick your path and go with it. But whichever path you choose, don't lose your perspective. |
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HITANDRUN
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Posted - 02/15/2012 : 08:21:07
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I agree and I have seen it with my own eyes where scouts will go to a tryout and the little guy who hustles his butt off and does everything right, plays the game right, will get looked over for the athletic guy who can fly, has a cannon and fast hands at the plate but doesn't even know how to wear a uniform correctly or shows up without a hat.
Now about spending all your money on Plyometrics, strength training, batspeed, and arm strength I doubt if you are not genetically gifted the gains are probably minimal at best. I think in the know said it best. "Don't lose your perspective"
Baseball used to be fun now it's more like a job even at the youth level. I think most kids rather play baseball than be working out all the time. Of course age plays a part in where everyone is in their own baseball journey.
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2012 : 19:31:50
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| You guys all know the first test at the pro walk on tryouts right??? 40 yd dash have a nice day!!! |
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743
215 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2012 : 15:45:48
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| WRONG its the 60 yard dash! not the 40. 60 is closer to 1st to 3rd distance. |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 17:10:05
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| every coach thinks he can fix or teach a kid with athletic ability who has upside. It is great that you can teach young men the fundementals of the game and how to play the game so you win tourneys and make your school teams and the job of the coach easier but i have to agree any college coach or pro scout for better or worse wants to see speed and velocity first then go from there...if your a hitter they want to see gap line drive power |
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mrbama31
252 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2012 : 08:30:31
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Are we really talking about scouts and pro ball on a thread that was started for 11-15 year olds?
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peashooter
297 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2012 : 19:04:13
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Blue
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Posted - 06/23/2012 : 22:17:20
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Originally posted by mrbama31
Are we really talking about scouts and pro ball on a thread that was started for 11-15 year olds?
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Head Coach Salary
